Larry Vincent Hersick v. State of Mississippi ( 2002 )


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  •                          IN THE SUPREME COURT OF MISSISSIPPI
    NO. 2003-KA-00151-SCT
    LARRY VINCENT HERSICK
    v.
    STATE OF MISSISSIPPI
    DATE OF JUDGMENT:                            10/30/2002
    TRIAL JUDGE:                                 HON. JAMES W. BACKSTROM
    COURT FROM WHICH APPEALED:                   GEORGE COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT
    ATTORNEYS FOR APPELLANT:                     ROSS PARKER SIMONS
    LARRY VINCENT HERSICK PRO SE
    ATTORNEYS FOR APPELLEE:                      OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
    BY: JOHN R. HENRY
    DISTRICT ATTORNEY:                           KEITH MILLER
    NATURE OF THE CASE:                          CRIMINAL - FELONY
    DISPOSITION:                                 AFFIRMED - 11/10/2004
    MOTION FOR REHEARING FILED:
    MANDATE ISSUED:
    BEFORE COBB, P.J., DICKINSON AND RANDOLPH, JJ.
    DICKINSON, JUSTICE, FOR THE COURT:
    ¶1.    An eleven-year old girl and her eight-year-old brother    finished shopping at the Wal-
    Mart in Lucedale and raced to the nearby Winn-Dixie where their parents were grocery
    shopping. Larry Hersick, a transient, was sitting outside the Wal-Mart on a block of concrete.
    As the children raced passed Hersick, he grabbed the girl by her upper right arm and pulled her
    a distance of about five to ten feet into the parking lot. The girl jerked away from Hersick and
    ran to the Winn-Dixie with her brother.
    ¶2.     The girl's father called the police, who rushed to the Wal-Mart to find Hersick still
    sitting on the block of concrete.        Hersick was arrested, indicted, tried and convicted of
    attempted kidnaping, and sentenced to ten years' imprisonment. Hersick now appeals, claiming
    that his right to a speedy trial was denied, the indictment was flawed, the trial court improperly
    admitted a statement he made to police, and the jury verdict was against the overwhelming
    weight of the evidence. Finding no reversible error, we affirm.
    I.      Issues raised by Hersick's counsel
    Speedy Trial -- The Constitutional Claim.
    ¶3.     Defendants in criminal cases are guaranteed the right to a speedy trial by the sixth and
    fourteenth amendments to the United States Constitution and Article 3, Section 26 of the
    Mississippi Constitution of 1890.        Watts v. State, 
    733 So. 2d 214
    , 235 (Miss.1999).           In
    Barker v. Wingo, 
    407 U.S. 514
    , 92 S.C.2182, 
    33 L. Ed. 2d 101
    (1972), the United States
    Supreme Court has provided a test we must follow. Under Barker, we examine the following
    factors: (i) length of the delay, (ii) reason for the delay, (iii) defendant’s assertion of his right,
    and (iv) prejudice to the 
    defendant. 407 U.S. at 530
    . See Taylor v. State, 
    672 So. 2d 1246
    ,
    1258 (Miss. 1996).
    (i). Length of the Delay
    ¶4.     The length of the delay is a “triggering mechanism” for the Barker test. Until there is
    some delay that is presumptively prejudicial, there is no need for further inquiry under 
    Barker. 407 U.S. at 530
    ; Mitchell v. State, 
    792 So. 2d 192
    (Miss. 2001). We recognize a delay of eight
    months to be presumptively prejudicial. Smith v. State, 
    550 So. 2d 406
    , 408 (Miss. 1989).
    2
    ¶5.     The constitutional right to a speedy trial attaches at the time of the accused’s arrest,
    indictment, or information. 
    Smith, 550 So. 2d at 408
    .           “In short, the constitutional right to a
    speedy trial attaches when a person has been accused.” 
    Id. ¶6. Hersick was
    arrested on February 25, 2001, and his trial commenced 611 days later,
    on October 29, 2002.          Thus, the delay is presumptively prejudicial and requires that we
    examine the remaining Barker factors.
    (ii). Reason for the Delay
    ¶7.     The second Barker factor requires the court to determine the reason for the delay,
    including the party to whom the delay is attributable. Brengettcy v. State, 
    794 So. 2d 987
    , 993
    (Miss. 1999). The burden is on the State to provide a defendant with a speedy trial. Therefore,
    the State bears the concomitant burden of showing that either the delay was caused by the
    defendant or that the delay was for a good cause. Where the State is unable to do either, this
    factor must be weighed against the State. Smith v. 
    State, 550 So. 2d at 409
    ; Wiley v. State, 
    582 So. 2d 1008
    , 1012 (Miss. 1991).
    ¶8.     Delays caused by the defense, such as requests for continuances, will toll the running
    of the speedy trial clock for that length of time attributable to the continuance. Wiley v. State,
    
    582 So. 2d 1008
    , 1011 (Miss. 1991), citing Flores v. State, 
    574 So. 2d 1314
    , 1318 (Miss.
    1990). A time line of the relevant dates and events in Hersick’s case is as follows:
    • February 25, 2001:            Hersick arrested; provides false name to the police.
    • April 2001:                   Hersick’s true identity is determined by law enforcement
    officers.
    • November 28, 2001:            Hersick is indicted.
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    • January 30, 2002:              Hersick is arraigned.
    • March 21, 2002:                Ross P. Simons is appointed to represent Hersick.
    • April 15, 2002:                Hersick’s request for a continuance is granted. Trial is
    continued to the next term.
    • July 29, 2002:                 The State requests a continuance because a witness is
    unavailable to testify. Trial is continued to October 28,
    2002.
    • September 20, 2002:            Hersick files a motion to dismiss for failure to grant a
    speedy trial filed by defense.
    • October 1, 2002:               Hersick’s motion to dismiss is denied.
    • October 29, 2002:              Hersick’s trial begins.
    ¶9.     We must now calculate all days attributable to Hersick’s request, or other good cause,
    and weigh them in the context of all the Barker factors.
    ¶10.    When Hersick was arrested on February 25, 2001, he was uncooperative with police,
    and provided a false name to the police officers.          His true identity was not established until
    seven weeks later in April 2001.          Thus, the seven weeks (49 days) during which Hersick
    withheld his true identity from authorities must be subtracted from the delay.
    ¶11.    Hersick was indicted by the October 2001 grand jury, which was the first available grand
    jury after Hersick’s true identity was determined.            The indictment was handed down on
    November 28, 2001.          Where a defendant is indicted by the first available grand jury in the
    county, the time between arrest and indictment is not counted against either the state or the
    defense. 
    Brengettcy, 794 So. 2d at 993
    .
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    ¶12.    The time between Hersick’s indictment on November 28, 2001 and his trial on October
    29, 2002, is 335 days.          However, the continuance granted to Hersick on April 15, 2002,
    accounts for 105 days of this period, reducing the total period of delay to 230 days.1
    ¶13.    The State further argues that the time between Hersick’s arraignment on January 30,
    2002, and the continuance granted on April 15, 2002, should be tolled against Hersick because
    of his action in seeking new representation.      At arraignment, Hersick was represented by Mr.
    Barnett from the Public Defender’s office.         However, Barnett explained to Hersick and the
    court that he had a potential conflict of interest because he had previously represented the
    victim’s family in other matters.       Hersick and Barnett agreed that Barnett would stand in for
    Hersick for the limited purpose of the arraignment, and afterward another attorney could be
    appointed to represent Hersick. The record is devoid of any other documentation concerning
    Hersick’s representation until an order appointing Ross Parker Simons was entered on March
    21, 2002.      Although the State alleges Hersick caused the delay by switching attorneys, there
    is nothing in the record to indicate that he is at fault for this delay. 2 Hersick certainly can not
    be faulted for Barnett’s conflict of interest.
    1
    A continuance granted to the defense tolls the running of the speedy trial clock. See Wiley v.
    State, 
    582 So. 2d 1008
    , 1011 (Miss. 1991).
    2
    Simons stated during the hearing on the motion to dismiss:
    So there has been some attorney switching in this case, and I guess the issue in this case
    is whether or not Mr. Hersick caused any of that. And I don’t find anything in the record
    where Mr. Hersick asked the Court formally to replace attorneys in this case. There may
    have been some discussions or disagreements, or he might not have like his attorneys at
    some times, but I don’t think that he actually formally made a motion to remove his
    attorney. I don’t know that any attorneys made motions on their own that asserted
    conflicts or personal conflicts or legal conflicts to the Court.
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    ¶14.     Finally, a continuance was granted to the State on July 20, 2002, which accounts for the
    92 days before Hersick’s trial.          Because this continuance was granted for good cause,3 it tolls
    the running of the constitutional speedy trial clock, and reduces the total period of delay to
    138 days.
    ¶15.     The total period of delay remains at 138 days, or approximately four and a half months,
    a delay which is not presumptively prejudicial.            Therefore, this factor weighs in favor of the
    State.
    (iii). Assertion of the Right
    ¶16.     Under Barker, the defendant’s assertion of his speedy trial right is entitled to strong
    evidentiary weight.       Failure to assert the right will make it difficult for a defendant to prove
    denial of a speedy trial.      Barker v. 
    Wingo, 407 U.S. at 531-32
    .           Hersick filed a motion to
    dismiss for failure to grant a speedy trial on September 20, 2002, a year and a half after he was
    first incarcerated and five weeks before his trial was set to begin.             The events related to
    Hersick’s request for a speedy trial are as follows.
    July 29, 2002:                     The State requested a continuance because arresting
    officer Darryl Brewer was unavailable to testify. At that
    time, defense counsel for Hersick objected and demanded
    that the state follow statutory procedure.
    September 20, 2002:                Hersick filed his Motion to Dismiss for Failure to Grant
    a Speedy Trial under Miss. Code Ann. 99-17-1, Article 3,
    3
    This continuance was granted to the State because Darryl Brewer, the arresting officer and
    one of the State’s key witnesses, was overseas on active military duty. See Box v. State, 
    610 So. 2d 1148
    , 1150 (Miss. 1992) (continuance was granted - State’s witness was unavailable because was on
    a mission for the United States Department of State).
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    Section 26 of the Mississippi Constitution and the Sixth
    Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
    October 1, 2002                    Hersick’s motion for speedy trial was denied.
    October 18, 2002:                  Hersick makes another demand for speedy trial.
    October 29, 2002:                  Hersick’s trial begins.
    ¶17.    The record reflects that Hersick asserted his right to a speedy trial on several
    occasions, but his first request was only a few weeks before the trial.           Therefore, this factor
    does not favor the State or the defendant.
    (iv). Prejudice to the Defendant
    ¶18.    The Barker Court identified three interests protected by the right to a speedy trial that
    are to be considered when determining whether a defendant has been prejudiced by a delay in
    bringing him or her to trial.        They are (1) the interest in preventing oppressive pretrial
    incarceration, (2) the interest in minimizing anxiety and concern of the accused, and (3) the
    interest in limiting the possibility that the defense will be impaired. 
    Barker, 407 U.S. at 532
    .
    Of these three interests, the last is the most important; and when violated, the most prejudicial
    to the defendant. See 
    id. ¶19. The first
    of these interests, preventing oppressive pretrial incarceration, is best
    considered closely with the first two Barker factors, the length of and reasons for the delay.
    There are numerous cases which demonstrate that Hersick’s period of pretrial incarceration
    was not oppressive and did not violate his constitutional rights. Jefferson v. Stat e, 
    818 So. 2d 1099
    (Miss. 2002) (480 days); Skaggs v. State, 
    676 So. 2d 897
    (Miss. 1996) (554 days);
    Strogner v. State, 
    627 So. 2d 815
    (Miss. 1993) (25 months); Ross v. State, 
    605 So. 2d 17
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    (Miss. 1992) (378 days); Watson v. State, 
    848 So. 2d 203
    (Miss. Ct. App. 2003) (817 days);
    Malone v. State, 
    829 So. 2d 1253
    (Miss. Ct. App. 2002) (915 days); Thompson v. State, 
    773 So. 2d 955
    (Miss. Ct. App. 2000) (1031 days); Bingham v. State, 
    775 So. 2d 426
    (Miss. Ct.
    App. 1999) (640 days).
    ¶20.    Hersick had 611 days of pretrial incarceration.           However, all but 138 days were
    attributed to Hersick or good cause.          Therefore, Hersick has failed to demonstrate how his
    pretrial incarceration has been oppressive.
    ¶21.    An analysis of the second interest, minimizing anxiety and concern of the accused, is
    related to the considerations discussed under the third Barker factor, the defendant’s assertion
    of the right. Although he waited until a few weeks before trial to assert his right to a speedy
    trial, Hersick did demonstrate some frustration about the delay.         During the hearing on the
    motion to dismiss, his counsel stated:
    Mr. Hersick’s greatest concern in this case, I think at this point, is that he’s been
    in jail for approximately 620 days – maybe 610 days. And I believe that I might
    have miscalculated the date of this crime by about 20 days or 10 days or so, but
    still, it’s been well over 600 days, which is going into -- by the time he’ll be
    tried in this case on October 28th, if the case goes forward, he’s going to be
    about 100 days short of two years in jail.
    ¶22.    This statement by counsel is the only indication in the record of anxiety or frustration
    caused by pretrial incarceration.
    ¶23.    The State asserts that, because he was homeless, Hersick was not in a position to
    complain about unlawful incarceration. Specifically, the State claims:
    It seems the Appellant was incarcerated during this period, and no doubt living
    a much more satisfactory life in jail than the nomadic, hand-to-mouth existence
    he had apparently been living when arrested. Bail had apparently been set, once
    his actual identity had been determined, but naturally he was unable to make it.
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    Still, one must recognize that the provision of three square meals a day, a bed,
    heat in winter, [sic] long warm showers, were certainly material improvements
    in the Appellant’s life, and all at the expense of the good citizens of George
    County. For the Appellant to speak of prejudice under these circumstances
    would be impertinent and ingracious [sic], but we get ahead of ourselves.
    ¶24.    This Court rejects these comments as inconsistent with the rights secured to all citizens
    under the Constitution. They also ignore the realities of prison life. Constitutional protections
    do not depend upon the economic status of the individual asserting them. The State discredits
    itself by making such assertions, and they carry no weight with this Court.
    ¶25.    The third and most important interest is limiting the possibility that the defense will be
    impaired.    While the length of time between arrest and trial is substantial, Hersick has not
    shown how his case was prejudiced by the delay. He does not provide us with any explanation
    or analysis of how the delay adversely affected his trial, and the record does not indicate that
    the delay caused any of Hersick's witnesses to be unavailable, or unable to remember
    information helpful to his defense.4       Incarceration alone is not sufficient to establish prejudice
    under Barker, and without some showing of actual prejudice to his case resulting from the
    delay, Hersick fails to prove that the delay was so prejudicial as to warrant reversal.
    ¶26.    Because of Hersick’s failure to demonstrate that he was “oppressed”, that he suffered
    anxiety and concern (other than concern regarding sitting in jail), or that his defense was
    impaired by the delay, this factor favors the State.
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    At trial, Hersick’s attorney put on no witnesses or other evidence. While the fact that no
    evidence was presented in the defense’s case in chief may itself have been prejudicial to the defense,
    there is no evidence that the delay resulted in the lack of evidence or that the delay caused any
    prejudice resulting therefrom.
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    ¶27.      Under the totality of the circumstances, and upon examination and analysis of the
    Barker factors, we find Hersick’s constitutional right to a speedy trial was not violated.
    Speedy Trial -- The Statutory Claim
    ¶28.      Miss. Code Ann. § 99-17-1 (Rev. 2000), known as the “270 day rule,” provides:
    Unless good cause be shown, and a continuance duly granted by the court, all
    offenses for which indictments are presented to the court shall be tried no later
    than two hundred seventy (270) days after the accused has been arraigned.
    (emphasis added).
    ¶29.      This Court has held “that compliance with section 99-17-1 does not necessarily mean
    that a defendant’s constitutional right to a speedy trial has been respected.” 
    Smith, 550 So. 2d at 408
    .
    ¶30.      Hersick was arraigned on January 30, 2002. His trial commenced on October 29, 2002.
    However, the total period of delay is 138 days, after tolling 49 days for the false identity
    period, tolling the period of time between finding out Hersick’s true identity and being indicted
    by the next grand jury, 105 days for the continuance requested by defense counsel, and 92 days
    for continuance requested by the state because of the absence of Darryl Brewer, the arresting
    officer. Hersick objected to the State’s request for this continuance, but the trial court granted
    the Motion, finding Brewer to be a material witness, and that good cause5 existed for the
    continuance.
    ¶31.      On October 1, 2002, following the hearing on the Motion to Dismiss, the trial court
    found that Hersick’s right to a speedy trial had not been violated. A trial judge’s finding will
    5
    Brewer was in Afghanistan serving in the U.S. Army.
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    not be reversed unless manifestly wrong. Mitchell v. State, 
    792 So. 2d 192
    , 213 (Miss. 2001),
    Humphrey v. State, 
    759 So. 2d 368
    , 375 (Miss. 2000). We are unable to say that the trial
    court’s ruling was manifestly wrong. Accordingly, this issue is without merit.
    Did the trial court err in denying Hersick’s demurrer?
    ¶32.    Hersick contends that the indictment was flawed because it failed to specify which form
    of attempted kidnaping was being charged. Hersick cites Conley v. State, 
    790 So. 2d 773
    , 796
    (Miss. 2001) which discussed the statute:
    A plain reading of the statute leads to the sound conclusion that one may commit
    the crime of kidnaping either by secretly confining a victim or by confirming or
    imprisoning another against his or her will regardless of whether the
    confinement is secret.
    ¶33.    Miss. Code Ann. § 97-3-53 (Rev. 2000), provides for three instances of kidnaping: (1)
    “Any person who shall without lawful authority forcibly seize and confine any other person,”
    (2)    “inveigle or kidnap any other person with intent to cause such person to be secretly
    confined or imprisoned against his or her will,” and/or (3) “forcibly seize, inveigle or kidnap
    any child under the age of ten (10) years and secretly confine such child against the will of the
    parents or guardians or person having lawful custody of such child.”
    ¶34.    Hersick contends that, although the indictment accused him of attempted kidnaping, it
    failed to specify which kind of kidnaping he was attempting.            Therefore, Hersick argues, the
    indictment failed to place him on notice of what crime against which he was to defend.
    Furthermore, he alleges that the indictment failed to allege that he intended to confine the
    victim, as required by statute.
    ¶35.    The indictment specifically stated:
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    Larry Vincent Hersick in George County, Mississippi, on or about February 25,
    2001, did wilfully, unlawfully and feloniously design and endeavor to commit
    the offense of attempted kidnaping, a felony denounced by Sections 97-1-7 and
    97-3-53, Miss. Code of 1972 (as amended), in that he did intend to kidnap the
    victim; and did an overt act toward the commission thereof, to-wit: by grabbing
    the victim by the arm and pulling her approximately ten (10) feet from a
    sidewalk into the Wal-Mart parking lot; but he failed therein in that was able to
    jerk herself from the grasp and run to her mother, contrary to the form of the
    statute in such cases made and provided, and against the peace and dignity of the
    State of Mississippi.
    ¶36.    The indictment gave details of the alleged attempted kidnaping, including details of how
    the attempt failed. The trial court stated:
    I think the indictment is proper because it goes beyond just simply saying there
    was an intent to kidnap the victim. It describes those acts in clear and concise
    language as required by the rules, wherein it states that a victim was grabbed by
    the arm and pulled approximately 10 feet from the sidewalk into the parking lot,
    but that the kidnaping failed because she was able to jerk herself loose and run
    away. So I think that that satisfies the requirement that the essential elements
    of the crime be stayed, and clearly the State is proceeding under the forcibly
    seizing and confine portion of the statute, and I think that’s evident readily
    apparent from the reading of the indictment, so I will deny the demurrer.
    ¶37.    We find the indictment is not fatally flawed because it charged Hersick under two
    statutes.   Nor is it fatally flawed because it failed to state which kind of kidnaping Hersick
    intended to commit.      Hersick was on sufficient notice of the charge against him.   Rule 7.06
    of the Uniform Circuit and County Court Rules states that an indictment "shall be a plain,
    concise and definite written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged
    and shall fully notify the defendant of the nature and cause of the accusation. Formal and
    technical words are not necessary in an indictment, if the offense can be substantially
    described without them." The indictment against Hersick states the essential facts, and fully
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    notified him of the nature and cause of the accusation.            We therefore find that this issue is
    without merit.
    Did the trial court err in denying Hersick’s Motion in Limine?
    ¶38.    Hersick contends that the trial court’s denial of his motion in limine resulted in the jury
    hearing his misleading and ambiguous statement to the Lucedale Police Department at the time
    of his booking.
    ¶39.    The record reflects that, during the booking process, Hersick allegedly said, “I want to
    know what happens to little girl snatchers in this town.”            Hersick filed a motion in limine
    regarding this statement, arguing that if presented to the jury it would have a prejudicial effect
    beyond any probative value, thus violating M.R.E. 401, 402 and 403.
    ¶40.    In denying the motion in limine, the trial court stated:
    All right, I’m going to deny this part of the Motion in Limine. The Court will
    find that these statements were spontaneous, not in response to questioning, and
    therefore they were initiated by the defendant, and would not be subject to the
    Miranda ruling. Further, the statements would appear to be relevant insofar as
    they may be considered as an admission, and that the relevant probative value
    would outweigh any prejudicial effect. So I’ll deny the motion.
    ¶41.    Hersick argues that his statement was ambiguous, at best, was not an admission, and was
    only made after he was informed he was being charged with kidnaping.              Hersick further claims
    that the statement was not relevant; and therefore, the trial court abused its discretion and
    committed reversible error.       The State contends that the statement meets the M.R.E. 401
    standard.
    When reviewing motions in limine, “this Court applies the following standard:
    [A] motion in limine ‘should be granted only when the trial court finds two
    factors are present: (1) the material or evidence in question will be inadmissible
    at a trial under the rules of evidence; and (2) the mere offer, reference, or
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    statements made during trial concerning the material will tend to prejudice the
    jury.’”
    McGilberry v. State, 
    797 So. 2d 940
    , 942 (Miss. 2001) (quoting Whittley v. City of Meridian,
    
    530 So. 2d 1341
    , 1344 (Miss. 1988)).
    ¶42.    Hersick’s statement was admissible as a voluntary, spontaneous statement.     We cannot
    say the trial court abused its discretion in finding the probative value outweighed the potential
    prejudice. Thus, this issue is without merit.
    Was Hersick’s conviction obtained against the overwhelming weight of the
    evidence?
    ¶43.    Hersick made a motion for a directed verdict and submitted a peremptory instruction.
    Post-trial, Hersick moved for a new trial or a J.N.O.V.      The motions were denied, and the
    instruction was refused.
    ¶44.    The standard in reviewing the denial of a motion for a new trial is that, viewing all the
    evidence which supports the verdict as true, reversal is proper only when we find the trial court
    has abused its discretion in failing to grant a new trial. Thornhill v. State, 
    561 So. 2d 1025
    (Miss. 1989).
    ¶45.    Accepting as true all the evidence in this case which supports the conviction, we are
    unable to say that the conviction was against the overwhelming weight of evidence. This claim
    is therefore without merit.
    Did the trial court impose the maximum sentence on Hersick because
    he chose to exercise his right to a jury trial?
    ¶46.    Prior to the trial, Hersick was offered a plea bargain by the State. In exchange for his
    guilty plea, the State offered to recommend to the trial court a sentence of ten years, with five
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    years suspended. Hersick exercised his right to a jury trial and, upon his conviction, the State
    recommended the maximum sentence of 10 years.
    ¶47.    Hersick requested the court sentence him to the ten years, with five suspended, the
    sentence the State was going to recommend if he had pled guilty.             Hersick contends that the
    trial court erred by imposing a heavier sentence than was offered to him pretrial, and that this
    heaver sentence was a direct result of his exercise of his constitutional right to a trial by jury.
    ¶48.    The State responded that Hersick was not being punished for going to trial, but rather
    was offered an opportunity to help himself by pleading guilty and accepting responsibility.
    ¶49.    “This Court has repeatedly held that the imposition of a sentence, if it is within the
    limits prescribed by statute, is a matter left to the sound discretion of the trial court, and that
    the appellate courts will not ordinarily disturb a sentence so imposed.” King v. State, 
    857 So. 2d
    702, 731 (Miss. 2003). Whether the defendant takes responsibility for his or her actions
    is a fair consideration for the trial court in sentencing.       We find nothing in the record that
    demonstrates the trial court imposed the maximum sentence to punish Hersick for exercising
    his right to a jury trial. Thus, this claim is without merit.
    II. Issues presented pro se.
    ¶50.    Hersick, pro se, raises numerous issues in his supplemental brief to this Court. The
    State did not file a response Hersick’s pro se brief.
    1.       Whether the trial court erred in not allowing testimony from various
    witnesses.
    A. The victim’s mother.
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    ¶51.       Hersick contends that the failure of the mother of the victim to testify violated his due
    process rights by denying him his Fifth Amendment right to confront a material witness at trial.
    Hersick contends that the children had to accuse him of attempted kidnaping to their mother
    before the police were called.        He asserts that the State never proved the child made this
    accusation to her mother, because the mother never testified.
    B. The Lucedale Chief of Police.
    ¶52.       Hersick questioned Officer Brewer outside the presence of the jury, regarding who
    arrested him at Wal-Mart and took him to jail. Brewer testified that he and the Chief of Police
    Glen Veil arrested Hersick following the incident. Hersick questioned Brewer as to why Veil
    was not there to testify.      The State objected to the line of questioning as irrelevant, claiming
    Hersick’s attorney could have subpoenaed Veil to testify.
    C. The security guard at Wal-Mart.
    ¶53.       Hersick contends that the trial court erred by not allowing the Wal-Mart employee to
    testify.    He states that the Wal-Mart employee was in the front entrance watching him and
    could have offered proof of his innocence.                Hersick contends that the employee gave a
    statement to Police and the failure of the employee to testify violates his Fifth Amendment
    rights, in that the prosecution suppressed evidence favorable to the accused.
    ¶54.       Hersick labels these issues as whether the trial court erred by not allowing these
    witnesses to testify.        However, the record does not indicate that the witnesses were
    subpoenaed by the State or by the defense to testify. We find nothing to indicate that the trial
    court refused to allow the witnesses to testify. Therefore, this issue is without merit.
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    2.         Did the trial court err in not admitting Hersick’s backpack as
    evidence and allowing a brown paper bag to be exhibited in place of
    Hersick’s backpack?
    ¶55.   Hersick contends that it was error not to allow his 60 pound backpack into evidence at
    trial to be used as exculpatory evidence. He contends that it would have demonstrated that he
    could not have kidnaped someone with it on his back.
    ¶56.   Hersick cites Berger v. United States., 
    295 U.S. 78
    , 88, 
    55 S.C. 629
    , 
    79 L. Ed. 1314
    (1935), for the proposition that the prosecution must disclose favorable evidence.       In Berger,
    the Court held that a prosecutor
    may prosecute with earnestness and vigor-- indeed, he should do so. But, while
    he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones. It is as much his
    duty to refrain from improper methods calculated to produce a wrongful
    conviction as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just 
    one. 295 U.S. at 88
    .
    ¶57.   Here, it was demonstrated on the first day of trial that the items in the police custody
    were lost. Therefore, the duffle bag’s contents, which had been listed on an inventory, were
    admitted into evidence. However, on the second day of trial, it was stated that the items that
    were in the duffle bag were found. By that time, the trial court ruled that they could not be
    admitted into evidence because the State, prior to trial, informed Hersick’s counsel that there
    was not going to be any physical evidence at trial. This did not constitute “improper methods”
    to produce “a wrongful conviction”.
    ¶58.   Hersick, nevertheless, contends that his backpack was exculpatory before it was lost or
    destroyed by the Lucedale          police and, therefore, did not aid in his defense.   Hersick cites
    Jackson v. State, 
    766 So. 2d 795
    , 801 (Miss. Ct. App. 2000) and Trollinger v. State, 
    748 So. 17
    2d 167, 171 (Miss. Ct. App. 1999), in support of his argument that it is the State’s duty to
    preserve evidence that is expected to play a significant role in the defense.
    ¶59.    In order to play a significant role, "the exculpatory nature and value of the evidence must
    have been (1) apparent before the evidence was destroyed and (2) of such a nature that the
    defendant could not obtain comparable evidence by other reasonable means."                 
    Jackson, 766 So. 2d at 801
    .           “This constitutional materiality standard is not satisfied by the ‘mere
    possibility’ that the evidence will help the defense.” 
    Id. ¶60. Hersick contends
    that his 60-pound backpack was indeed exculpatory and that it was
    apparent before the backpack was lost, that it was exculpatory.                 Hersick does not address
    whether comparable evidence could have be procured in this case, such as a comparable 60-
    pound backpack, which could have been procured and used for the demonstration.
    Furthermore, there was no evidence that Hersick had his backpack on his back at the time of
    the attempted kidnaping.
    ¶61.    Hersick contends that the trial court erred by allowing Lambert to exhibit a brown paper
    grocery bag instead of his 60-pound backpack.             However, we find that the record does not
    reflect that a brown paper grocery bag was exhibited instead of his backpack (or duffle bag).
    Therefore, this issue is without merit.
    3.       Did the trial court err in allowing the victim and her brother to testify?
    ¶62.    Hersick contends that, since under the law of Mississippi, a child under the age of
    thirteen cannot be charged with a felony, the children6 should not have been allowed the
    6
    At the time of their testimony, the victim was thirteen years old, and her brother was ten.
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    authority to enforce the law against him, without the mother’s confirmation of the accusations.
    Hersick further contends that the trial judge should have examined the children to find out if
    they knew the difference between right and wrong, because they are too young and
    inexperienced to understand the responsibility of their actions.
    ¶63.    Hersick cites Mohr v. State, 
    584 So. 2d 426
    (Miss. 1991), in which this Court held:
    Mississippi courts generally allow children of tender years to testify if
    competent. Rule 601 of the Mississippi Rules of Evidence provides that every
    person is competent to be a witness unless they are incompetent or otherwise
    restricted. It is in the sound discretion of the trial judge to determine the
    competency of a child witness. Before allowing the child to testify, the judge
    should determine ‘that the child has the ability to perceive and remember events,
    to understand and answer questions intelligently and to comprehend and accept
    the importance of truthfulness.
    
    Id. at 431 (citations
    omitted).
    ¶64.    In Mohr, this Court did state that a judge should determine whether a child “has the
    ability to perceive and remember events, to understand and answer questions intelligently and
    to comprehend and accept the importance of truthfulness.” 
    Id. There is nothing
    in the record
    here to indicate that the trial judge made any such determination. However, the Mohr Court
    stated that the judge should, not must.         Therefore, pursuant to Rule 601 of the Mississippi
    Rules of Evidence, it is presumed that the children were competent witnesses, absent some
    indication that they were not.
    ¶65.    After studying the children’s testimony, it is clear that they were competent witnesses.
    Their testimony was consistent, in that they did not contradict themselves or each other. They
    were intelligent, had the ability to understand and answer questions, and could remember the
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    date in question and the events that took place. There is no indication that they were coerced
    or provoked into accusing Hersick. Thus, this issue is without merit.
    4.        Did the trial court err in permitting a police officer to read a record of
    charges at Hersick’s sentencing?
    ¶66.    Hersick contends that the trial court erred by allowing Lambert to read a record of
    unproven charges at his sentencing.      Hersick contends that these charges were a result of his
    indigency. He claims he was without money to contest them.
    ¶67.    Hersick further alleges that his counsel was ineffective for failing to object to the
    reading of his record.    Hersick contends that prior charges not resulting in a conviction were
    not admissible.
    ¶68.    Lambert testified to Hersick’s criminal history as follows:
    MR. MILLER: Mr. Lambert, if you would, please advise the Court of what the
    criminal history of this defendant is, and what you were able to find out in your
    investigation.
    MR. LAMBERT: It took me seven weeks, Your Honor, to find out who this
    gentleman actually was. I’ve got 11 different state ID numbers for him, from 11
    different states where he had been convicted.
    MR. HERSICK: The United States is terrorizing me.
    MR. LAMBERT: He already has three convictions in California for sexual
    assaults, one child molestation that was reduced to a misdemeanor in regard to
    him leaving that county.
    THE COURT: Does he have any felony convictions?
    MR. LAMBERT: He was charged with felony child molestation, and the county
    in California reduced it to a misdemeanor on the grounds that he left that county.
    THE COURT: But he doesn’t have any felony convictions anywhere that you
    know of?
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    MR. LAMBERT: Sir?
    THE COURT: He does not have any felony convictions anywhere that you know
    of?
    MR. LAMBERT: No, Sir.
    THE COURT: But he has some misdemeanor convictions in California.           Where
    else?
    MR. LAMBERT: California, Utah. Would it be all right to look at the file?
    THE COURT: Sure.
    THE WITNESS: Oregon. These are the states: Oregon, California, Idaho,
    Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Georgia. And like I say, one is in California.
    Every one of these there’s no conviction of a felony. They was charged as
    felonies but somehow reduced as misdemeanors.
    THE COURT: What were the charges? What did he actually get convicted of?
    MR. LAMBERT: Sexual battery twice in California, assault and battery, assault
    of a law enforcement officer in California, attempted burglary and sexual assault
    in California, and also assaulting an officer again.
    THE COURT: And all of those were reduced to misdemeanors?
    MR. LAMBERT: Yes, sir.
    We find no error in this discussion of Hersick’s criminal history at sentencing.
    5.      Was defense counsel ineffective because he did not subpoena the victim’s
    mother?
    ¶69.    Hersick contends that his counsel was ineffective for failing to subpoena the mother
    or the father to testify at trial.     He claims that the child’s mother should have testified to
    establish that the child “ran to her mother” as alleged in the indictment. Furthermore, Hersick
    argues that the mother must have been a witness. Hersick cites State v. Fristoe, 
    658 P.2d 825
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    (Ariz. Ct. App. 1982), in support of his argument that the mother’s testimony was needed to
    establish that the child immediately ran to the mother and accused him.
    ¶70.    In Fristoe, one mother “testified that, at the time the girls came running into the house,
    both expressed that the man had offered them money to kiss between their legs. [The other]
    mother also testified that [her daughter] had been able to tell her what the man had said at the
    time the incident had 
    occurred.” 658 P.2d at 827
    .              However, Fristoe did not hold that the
    mother had to testify in order for the evidence to be sufficient to find the accused guilty.
    Therefore, Hersick’s reliance on this case is misplaced.
    ¶71.    Hersick further contends that his counsel failed to investigate his version of the facts.
    He cites Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 
    104 S. Ct. 2052
    , 
    80 L. Ed. 2d 674
    (1984) in
    support of his argument.
    ¶72.    Hersick must meet a two-part test which is set forth in Strickland and followed by this
    Court in Stringer v. State, 
    454 So. 2d 468
    , 478 (Miss. 1984).                    Hersick must show that
    counsel’s performance was so deficient that it prejudiced his defense.             
    Strickland, 466 U.S. at 687
    . He must also show that but for his attorney’s errors, there is a reasonable probability
    that he would have received a different result in the trial court. 
    Id. at 694. ¶73.
       Hersick cites State v. Tokman, 
    564 So. 2d 1339
    (Miss. 1990), in support of his
    argument that it was his counsel’s duty to interview potential witnesses and make an
    independent investigation of the facts and circumstances of the case.             Tokman was a capital
    murder in which this Court held: “It is critical that mitigating evidence be presented at capital
    sentencing proceedings” 
    Id. at 1342. The
    Tokman Court further stated: “While it is true that
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    courts are deferential to lawyers' judgments in such matters, there are limits. It has been held
    that at a minimum, counsel has a duty to interview potential witnesses and to make independent
    investigation of the facts and circumstances of the case.” 
    Id. (citations omitted). ¶74.
       This Court has clearly held that “[c]omplaints concerning counsel’s failure to file
    certain motions, call certain witnesses, ask certain questions, and make certain objections fall
    within the ambit of trial strategy.” Cole v. State, 
    666 So. 2d 767
    , 777 (Miss. 1995).
    ¶75.    Hersick contends that his counsel did not have a strategy to look for witnesses and that
    the indictment proves it because he failed to subpoena the mother.                Hersick proceeds, within
    his pro se brief, to petition this Court for post-conviction relief alleging that the testimony of
    the mother is new evidence of material fact, not previously presented or heard before, and that
    his counsel’s failure to subpoena the mother violated his right to confront a witness at trial.
    ¶76.    We find that Hersick fails to demonstrate a lack of investigation, fails to show how the
    testimony of the mother could have helped him, or how he was prejudiced. Therefore, we find
    Hersick did not meet the Strickland test, and this issue is without merit.
    6.       Did the trial court err in allowing the jury to be removed from
    courtroom during Hersick’s questioning of officer Darryl Brewer?
    ¶77.    Hersick contends that his counsel erred by not objecting to the jury being removed from
    the courtroom while he examined Officer Darryl Brewer.               Hersick cites Jones v. State, 
    381 So. 2d 983
    (Miss. 1980), and Gray v. State, 
    351 So. 2d 1342
    (Miss. 1977), in support of his
    argument that he has a constitutional right to argue his case before the jury and he was deprived
    of his right to have the jury hear Brewer’s testimony during his cross-examination.
    ¶78.    In Gray, this Court held:
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    During the argument at the guilt stage of his trial defendant requested
    permission to ‘make a statement to the jury.’ In effect, defendant was requesting
    the right to argue his own case and his request was erroneously denied.
    Mississippi Constitution Article 3, section 26 (1890) provides in part: In all
    criminal prosecutions the accused shall have a right to be heard by himself or
    counsel, or both, . . . The refusal to permit defendant to argue his case is in
    direct violation of the above constitutional provision and requires reversal.
    
    Id. at 1345. ¶79.
       Hersick’s reliance is misplaced. In Jones, this Court held:
    The practical solution to the dilemma presented by the accused who uses his
    constitutional right to argue his case to the jury to give, what is for all practical
    purposes, testimony is to treat the unsworn testimonial statements of the
    accused which were not supported by the record as a partial waiver of the
    privilege against self-incrimination. It is not a total waiver of the privilege, since
    the prosecution is unable to cross-examine the accused at this late stage of the
    trial. But the prosecution may comment to the jury that the defendant's
    statements were not given under oath and that he was not subject to cross-
    examination about them. The constitutional privilege of the criminal defendant
    appearing pro se is adequately protected if the court gives him a clear and direct
    warning out of the presence of the jury prior to beginning his argument that such
    limited comment might follow if he goes outside the record and gives what
    amounts to unsworn testimony.
    
    Jones, 381 So. 2d at 994
    . In the case sub judice, Hersick was not making an argument to the
    jury.   He wanted to cross-examine Brewer himself because his attorney did not ask him the
    questions Hersick wanted him to ask. Hersick was represented by counsel and was not a pro
    se defendant.
    ¶80.    Upon review of the testimony of Brewer, we find no error or prejudice to Hersick. The
    testimony consisted of hearsay and was irrelevant. Therefore, this issue is without merit.
    7.      Did the trial court err in allowing Hersick to make a decision about
    a plea bargain without the presence of his attorney?
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    ¶81.    Hersick contends that the trial court violated his Sixth Amendment rights when he was
    not represented by counsel when offered the plea bargain on March 30, 2002.         He contends
    that he was brought into court without his attorney and was offered his freedom if he pled
    guilty to attempted kidnapping.      However, the record fails to show any such court appearance.
    This issue is without merit.
    8.       Did the trial court err in allowing Judge Backstrom to participate in
    Hersick’s plea bargain?
    ¶82.    Hersick next contends that on March 30, 2002, without his counsel present, the trial
    judge asked him how he pled. Hersick contends that, because he did not have counsel present,
    this amounted to the judge taking part in the plea bargain. Hersick cites Fermo v. State 
    370 So. 2d 930
    , 932-33 (Miss. 1979), in support of his argument that a judge is never to participate
    or get involved in a plea bargain.
    ¶83.    In Fermo we stated,
    While a trial judge must control the sentencing phase of a criminal trial and has
    the responsibility and duty of approving or disapproving a recommendation by
    the prosecutor, he should never become involved, or participate, in the plea
    bargaining process. He must remain aloof from such negotiations. The trial
    judge always must be circumspect and unbiased, at all times displaying neutrality
    and fairness in the trial, and consideration for the constitutional rights of the
    accused.
    
    Id. at 933. ¶84.
       There is nothing in the record reflecting the alleged March 30, 2002, appearance in
    court. Even if there was an appearance, the mere question by the Judge of how Hersick was
    going to plead does not constitute involvement or participation in the plea bargain process.
    Accordingly, this issue has no merit.
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    CONCLUSION
    ¶85.   For the reasons stated, we find that all assignments of error are without merit.
    Therefore, we affirm the judgment of the George County Circuit Court.
    ¶86. CONVICTION OF ATTEMPTED KIDNAPING AND SENTENCE OF TEN (10)
    YEARS IN THE CUSTODY OF THE MISSISSIPPI DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
    AFFIRMED.
    SMITH, C.J., WALLER AND COBB, P.JJ., EASLEY, CARLSON AND
    RANDOLPH, JJ., CONCUR. DIAZ AND GRAVES, JJ., NOT PARTICIPATING.
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