State v. Veal ( 2014 )


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  •                                   NO. COA13-1407
    NORTH CAROLINA COURT OF APPEALS
    Filed:      1 July 2014
    STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA
    v.                                       Buncombe County
    Nos. 11 CRS 57859, 12 CRS 160
    DOUGLAS EUGENE VEAL
    Appeal by defendant from judgment entered 6 August 2013 by
    Judge   Alan    Z.    Thornburg    in    Buncombe    County    Superior     Court.
    Heard in the Court of Appeals 23 April 2014.
    Attorney General Roy Cooper, by Assistant Attorney General
    David Shick, for the State.
    Cheshire Parker Schneider & Bryan, PLLC, by John Keating
    Wiles, for defendant-appellant.
    McCULLOUGH, Judge.
    Douglas Eugene Veal (“defendant”) appeals the order of the
    trial court, denying his motion to suppress evidence.                     For the
    following reasons, we affirm the order of the trial court.
    I.        Background
    On   4     July   2011,   Officer     Rodney     Cloer    of   the   Asheville
    Police Department (“Officer Cloer”) was dispatched to a report
    of an intoxicated driver in a green Chevy truck at the Citistop
    gas station located at 760 Haywood Road.                     The report of an
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    intoxicated person came through dispatch from an employee at the
    Citistop gas station.                Dispatch reported that there was a very
    intoxicated male subject trying to leave the gas station in a
    green Chevy truck with a bed cover.                             Dispatch also identified
    the subject as an elderly white male in a white hat.                                    Officer
    Cloer responded to the call and drove to the gas station and
    parked his car in the parking lot.                            He then observed defendant
    driving    his    green        truck    in    the       parking      lot.       Officer     Cloer
    approached defendant on foot and asked to speak with him.                                   While
    speaking     with       defendant,          Officer          Cloer    noticed      an   odor    of
    alcohol coming from defendant and observed an unopened can of
    beer in the truck.               Defendant told Officer Cloer that he was
    going   to   a    funeral        in     Alabama.              Officer      Cloer    noted     that
    defendant had slurred speech.                      Due to his observations, Officer
    Cloer   asked         defendant       to     get    out       of     his    vehicle.        While
    attempting       to    get     out     of    his    truck,         defendant       stumbled    and
    nearly fell and used the side of the vehicle to maintain his
    balance.
    Officer           Cloer,    certified          in    standardized         field     sobriety
    testing, instructed defendant to perform the “Horizontal Gaze
    Nystagmus” test.             While Officer Cloer was performing the test,
    Officer    Cloer       observed        six    out       of    the    six    signs    indicating
    impairment.           He also asked defendant to perform the “Walk and
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    Turn” test.         While attempting to administer the test, defendant
    continued to ask questions during the instructional phase, lost
    his footing three times, used his arms for balance, and started
    the test without being asked.                    Due to these actions, Officer
    Cloer terminated the test and placed defendant under arrest for
    Driving While Impaired.
    During the process of his arrest, defendant asked to be let
    go if he told Officer Cloer a location where drugs and stolen
    guns could be found.              Officer Cloer explained that defendant was
    under   arrest       and    he     was    not    able      to     make   any    deals     with
    defendant.         Defendant was then transported to the jail where he
    subsequently        refused       to   take     the     Intoxilyzer      breath      test   to
    determine his blood alcohol level.                         Officer Cloer obtained a
    search warrant from the magistrate in order to perform a blood
    test    on       defendant.        Defendant        was    transported         to    Memorial
    Mission Hospital where his blood was drawn in an ambulance in
    the parking lot.
    On    3    October     2011,      defendant      was     indicted       for   habitual
    impaired         driving    and    operating        a     motor    vehicle      without     an
    operator’s license.            On 5 March 2012, defendant was indicted on
    attaining habitual felon status and failure to appear on the
    charge of habitual impaired driving after being released.                               On 5
    July 2013, defendant filed a motion to suppress all evidence
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    obtained from the alleged illegal seizure, arguing that Officer
    Cloer    lacked    reasonable   articulable   suspicion   of    criminal
    wrongdoing.       The same day, defendant also filed a motion to
    suppress blood seized from defendant, and a motion to suppress
    evidence of statements made by defendant.          On 29 July 2013,
    defendant filed a motion to exclude and objection to evidence of
    his alleged refusal of the Intoxilyzer test.
    Defendant’s trial came on for hearing on the 29 July 2013
    criminal session of Buncombe County Superior Court.              At the
    hearing, Aaron Wakenhut, the employee who called in the report
    of an intoxicated person, testified to his observations in the
    store.    He could not remember the incident at the time of the
    trial, but testified by reading his witness statement aloud.          In
    his statement he said that “the man was stumply [sic] walking,
    made a slight mess with hot water for his soup.                Hard time
    talking and slurred.       Took a very long time to respond.”         By
    order entered 1 August 2013, the trial court denied the motions
    to suppress.      The order made the following pertinent findings of
    fact:
    1. During the late evening hours of July the
    4th, 2011, while on duty, Officer Cloer
    from the Asheville Police Department was
    dispatched to a gas station on Haywood
    Road to investigate an impaired person,
    and that he went there and that he parked
    his vehicle, got out, and observed the
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    Defendant driving a truck in the parking
    lot.
    2. That   Officer  Cloer  went   up  to   the
    Defendant’s truck, at which time it was
    stopped, asked if he could speak to the
    Defendant, then detected the odor of
    alcohol, and at that same time observed an
    unopened container of beer in the truck,
    and then upon observing that and smelling
    that and opining that the Defendant had
    slurred speech, he was unsteady on his
    feet, he had him submit to field sobriety
    tests.
    . . . .
    6. The officer did not observe the Defendant
    driving, except in the lot; however, he
    was dispatched there for the purpose of
    investigating   the   potential of   that
    illegal activity, and that the Defendant
    was under the wheel of a truck that was
    moving and the motor was on and it was in
    a public vehicular area.
    On 6 August 2013, defendant pled guilty to the charge of
    habitual       driving   while      impaired      and   attaining       habitual   felon
    status,     while   preserving        his    right      to    appeal    his   motion   to
    suppress.       The charges of no operator’s license and failure to
    appear on the charge of habitual impaired driving after being
    released were dismissed.              Defendant was sentenced to a term of
    66   to   89    months    imprisonment.           Defendant       entered     notice   of
    appeal on 6 August 2013.
    II.    Standard of Review
    Our      review    of   a     trial   court’s          motion    to   suppress   is
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    “strictly      limited   to    determining       whether    the   trial      judge’s
    underlying findings of fact are supported by competent evidence,
    in which event they are conclusively binding on appeal, and
    whether   those      factual   findings     in    turn     support    the    judge’s
    ultimate conclusions of law.”             State v. Cooke, 
    306 N.C. 132
    ,
    134, 
    291 S.E.2d 618
    , 619 (1982).              Any unchallenged findings of
    fact are “deemed to be supported by competent evidence and are
    binding on appeal.”       State v. Roberson, 
    163 N.C. App. 129
    , 132,
    
    592 S.E.2d 733
    , 735-36 (2004).         The trial court’s conclusions of
    law are fully reviewable de novo on appeal.                    State v. Hughes,
    
    353 N.C. 200
    , 208, 
    539 S.E.2d 625
    , 631 (2000).                       “[T]he trial
    court’s conclusions of law must be legally correct, reflecting a
    correct application of applicable legal principles to the facts
    found.”     State v. Buchanan, 
    353 N.C. 332
    , 336, 
    543 S.E.2d 823
    ,
    826 (2001) (alteration in original) (internal quotation marks
    and citations omitted).
    III. Discussion
    Defendant’s sole argument on appeal is that the trial court
    erred   when    it    denied   his   motion      to   suppress       all    evidence
    stemming from the initial stop because Officer Cloer made an
    illegal stop of defendant’s vehicle.                  Defendant contends that
    the initial stop was illegal because it was not warranted by a
    reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal activity.
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    The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution provides the right
    of people to be secure in their persons and protects citizens
    from unreasonable searches and seizures.               U.S. Const. amend. IV.
    However, the United States Supreme Court has held that “[n]o one
    is protected by the Constitution against the mere approach of
    police officers in a public place.”               State v. Brooks, 
    337 N.C. 132
    , 141, 
    446 S.E.2d 579
    , 585 (1994) (quoting State v. Streeter,
    
    283 N.C. 203
    , 208, 
    195 S.E.2d 502
    , 506 (1973)).                      The Supreme
    Court    has    also   held   that   “a    seizure    does    not   occur    simply
    because a police officer approaches an individual and asks a few
    questions.”       Florida v. Bostick, 
    501 U.S. 428
    , 434, 
    115 L. Ed. 2d 389
    , 398 (1991).
    Our Supreme Court held in State v. Brooks, 
    337 N.C. 132
    ,
    
    446 S.E.2d 579
     (1994), that neither reasonable suspicion nor
    probable       cause   were   required     for   an   agent   to    approach   the
    defendant and engage in conversation.                 In Brooks, the officer
    approached the vehicle while the defendant was sitting in the
    driver’s seat.         
    Id. at 137
    , 
    446 S.E.2d at 583
    .                The officer
    shined    a    flashlight     on   the    defendant   and     noticed   an   empty
    holster within the reach of the defendant.                    
    Id.
        The officer
    asked where his gun was located and the defendant responded that
    he was sitting on the gun.           
    Id.
        The officer asked the defendant
    to “ease it out real slow” and the defendant reached under his
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    right    thigh     and     handed     the   gun    to    the   officer.        
    Id.
          The
    defendant was allowed to exit and enter the vehicle multiple
    times during the interaction.                     Without putting the defendant
    under arrest, the officer asked him if he had any “dope” in the
    car.     The defendant replied in the negative and asked if the
    officer would like to search the vehicle.                      Brooks at 137-38, 
    446 S.E.2d at 583
    .           Upon searching the vehicle, with the defendant’s
    help, the officer discovered a bag of cocaine and arrested the
    defendant for possession of cocaine and carrying a concealed
    weapon.     
    Id. at 138
    , 
    446 S.E.2d at 583-84
    .                     The defendant filed
    a motion to suppress the search and seizure of drugs from his
    vehicle, arguing that the officer lacked probable cause.                             
    Id. at 136
    , 
    446 S.E.2d at 582-83
    .                  The Court found that there was no
    evidence that the officer “made a physical application of force
    or that the defendant submitted to any show of force.”                               
    Id. at 142
    , 
    446 S.E.2d at 586
    .               Our Supreme Court held that “[o]fficers
    who lawfully approach a car and look inside with a flashlight do
    not     conduct     a     ‘search’     within      the     meaning      of   the     Fourth
    Amendment.        If, as a result, the officers see some evidence of a
    crime,     this     may     establish         probable      cause       to   arrest     the
    occupants.”             Brooks   at    144,     
    446 S.E.2d at 587
       (internal
    citations omitted).
    In State v. Isenhour, 
    194 N.C. App. 539
    , 
    670 S.E.2d 264
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    (2008), officers were patrolling in a high crime area when they
    observed the defendant and a passenger parked in the back corner
    of a fast food restaurant parking lot.                       The officers parked the
    patrol car eight feet away from the defendant’s vehicle and
    approached      on    foot.        Id.    at    540,   
    670 S.E.2d at 266
    .    The
    defendant’s window would not roll down so he opened the car door
    to speak with the officers.                    Due to the inconsistency between
    the defendant’s and passenger’s reason for being in the parking
    lot, the defendant was asked to exit his vehicle.                            Id. at 541,
    
    670 S.E.2d at 266
    .            The officer patted down the defendant and
    asked     for    consent      to    search       his   vehicle.         The    defendant
    consented, and while searching the vehicle, the officers found a
    pill bottle containing methadone pills.                       
    Id.
         This Court found
    that    the     officer    did      not     create     “any     real    ‘psychological
    barriers’ to defendant’s leaving such as using his police siren,
    turning on his blue strobe lights, taking his gun out of his
    holster, or using threatening language.”                      Id. at 544, 
    670 S.E.2d at 268
    .         Our Court held that the officer’s actions did not
    constitute       a    seizure      of     the    defendant,      so    “no    reasonable
    suspicion was required for [the officer] to approach defendant’s
    car and ask him questions.”               
    Id.
    In this case, similar to Brooks, there is no evidence that
    Officer       Cloer    used        any    physical      force       when      approaching
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    defendant.       Officer      Cloer    approached        defendant’s          vehicle    and
    engaged in conversation with him, as the officer did in Brooks.
    He testified that he walked up to defendant’s car on foot and
    asked to speak with him.                   During that conversation, Officer
    Cloer observed signs of intoxication (the odor of alcohol on
    defendant, an unopened can of beer, and slurred speech) leading
    him   to   investigate        defendant     further.           Similar       to   Isenhour,
    Officer    Cloer      also    did    not   use    any    “psychological           barriers”
    while initiating contact with defendant.                          He testified that he
    did not activate his blue lights and there is no evidence that
    he removed his gun from his holster or used a threatening tone
    initiating contact with defendant.                 Thus, as found in Brooks and
    Isenhour, Officer Cloer engaged in a voluntary encounter with
    defendant.
    The test for determining whether a seizure has occurred “is
    whether,       taking     into       account      all        of     the     circumstances
    surrounding      the    encounter,         the    police          conduct    would    ‘have
    communicated to a reasonable person that he was not at liberty
    to    ignore    the    police    presence        and    go    about    his    business.’”
    Florida    at   437,    
    115 L. Ed. 2d at 400
        (quoting       Michigan    v.
    Chesternut, 
    486 U.S. 567
    , 569, 
    100 L. Ed. 2d 565
     (1988)).                                 In
    the present case, Officer Cloer pulled into the parking lot of
    the gas station and parked his vehicle.                           He testified that he
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    did not pull his vehicle in behind defendant’s car, he did not
    activate his blue lights, and there is no evidence that he spoke
    in a threatening tone.             He further testified that he got out of
    his vehicle and approached defendant’s truck on foot and asked
    to speak with defendant.             Our Supreme Court has held that these
    actions do not constitute a “seizure” of defendant.                          See State
    v.    Brooks,     
    337 N.C. 132
    ,     
    446 S.E.2d 579
        (1994).       Because
    defendant     was     not      “seized”   by    Officer   Cloer’s       approach      and
    initial questioning, reasonable suspicion of criminal activity
    is not required.
    Unlike a voluntary encounter, “[a]n investigatory stop must
    be    justified     by   ‘a     reasonable      suspicion,      based   on   objective
    facts, that the individual is involved in criminal activity.’”
    State v. Watkins, 
    337 N.C. 437
    , 441, 
    446 S.E.2d 67
    , 70 (1994)
    (quoting Brown v. Texas, 
    443 U.S. 47
    , 51, 
    61 L. Ed. 2d 357
    , 362
    (1979)).     Reasonable suspicion requires that
    [t]he stop . . . be based on specific and
    articulable facts, as well as the rational
    inferences from those facts, as viewed
    through the eyes of a reasonable, cautious
    officer,    guided    by   [the    officer’s]
    experience   and   training.       The   only
    requirement is a minimal level of objective
    justification,   something   more   than   an
    ‘unparticularized suspicion or hunch.’
    Id.    at   441-42,      446    S.E.2d    at    70   (quoting    United      States    v.
    Sokolow, 
    490 U.S. 1
    , 7, 
    104 L. Ed. 2d 1
    , 10 (1989)) (quotation
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    marks and internal citations omitted).                          “The Fourth Amendment
    requires      that        police     have      an      articulable           and    reasonable
    suspicion     of       criminal     conduct     before        making    an     investigative
    stop of an automobile.”              United States v. Arzaga, 
    9 F.3d 91
    , 93
    (10th Cir. 1993) (emphasis added).
    Since       we     have    determined         that     Officer     Cloer’s          initial
    interaction        with     defendant       was        a    voluntary        encounter,       his
    personal observations during that time may be used to determine
    reasonable        suspicion        for   the    subsequent        investigatory             stop.
    When he approached defendant’s vehicle, Officer Cloer noticed
    the   odor    of       alcohol     coming      from        defendant    and        observed    an
    unopened container of beer in defendant’s truck.                              This Court has
    previously        held    that     similar      observations       observed           during    a
    consensual encounter establish reasonable suspicion to further
    detain and investigate defendant.                          State v. Veazey, 
    191 N.C. App. 181
    , 195, 
    662 S.E.2d 683
    , 692 (2008) (stating that during
    the   initial           lawful      checkpoint             detention,        the     officer’s
    observations of “a strong odor of alcohol in the vehicle and . .
    . that Defendant’s eyes were red and glassy . . . provided a
    sufficient        basis    for     reasonable        suspicion     permitting             Trooper
    Carroll      to    pursue        further       investigation           and     detention       of
    Defendant”).
    Officer          Cloer     initiated        an       investigatory           stop     when,
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    suspecting that defendant was impaired, he asked defendant to
    step out of his vehicle to further investigate.                         We find that
    his personal observations of the odor of alcohol and an unopened
    container of beer made during the voluntary encounter are                               a
    sufficient basis for reasonable suspicion to support the stop.
    Defendant also argues that the basis of his stop was from
    an anonymous tip.            The report of an impaired driver came from
    information given by an unnamed employee.                     Since the caller was
    not   identified       by    name,    defendant    argues        that      these    facts
    constitute a stop based on an anonymous tip.
    It is well established that “[a]n anonymous tip can provide
    reasonable suspicion as long as it exhibits sufficient indicia
    of reliability.”        State v. Hughes, 
    353 N.C. 200
    , 207, 
    539 S.E.2d 625
    , 630 (2000).            Even if a tip lacks sufficient indicia of
    reliability,      it   “may     still    provide    a        basis   for    reasonable
    suspicion      if      it     is      buttressed        by     sufficient          police
    corroboration.”        
    Id.
         “In sum, to provide the justification for
    a   warrantless     stop,      an    anonymous    tip    ‘must       have   sufficient
    indicia of reliability, and if it does not, then there must be
    sufficient police corroboration of the tip before the stop may
    be made.’”      State v. Peele, Jr., 
    196 N.C. App. 668
    , 672, 
    675 S.E.2d 682
    , 685 (2009) (quoting Hughes at 207, 
    539 S.E.2d at 630
    ).
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    In United States v. Quarles, 
    330 F.3d 650
     (4th Cir. 2003),
    an individual called 911 and reported that the defendant was
    walking down Nash Street and was wanted by the U.S. Attorney’s
    Office.    The caller provided a description, including that the
    defendant was a black male with dreadlocks,                    and an accurate
    description of what the defendant was currently wearing.                    
    Id. at 652
    .    The 911 operator asked the caller why the U.S. Attorney’s
    office was interested in the defendant.               The caller stated that
    he was wanted for carrying a gun and that the defendant had
    killed the caller’s brother, but had “beat the case.”                    
    Id.
         The
    caller was kept on the phone with the operator and continued to
    follow the defendant, keeping the operator updated until the
    caller saw officers arrive and put the defendant on the ground.
    
    Id.
         The   court       stated   that   “the     caller    here   gave    enough
    information    to    be    identified     later,    and     therefore,     was   not
    totally anonymous at any time.”              Quarles at 654.        It also held
    that the caller “provided sufficient information to the police
    that he could have been held accountable for his statements.”
    
    Id. at 656
    .
    Similarly, in the present case, the caller was identified
    as an employee of the Citistop gas station where defendant’s car
    was located.        This information was sufficient to ascertain his
    identity when police arrived.             The second officer on the scene,
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    Officer McCullough, was able to identify the caller as Aaron
    Wakenhut and obtain a statement from him.                       Thus, Wakenhut was
    “bound to have felt as though he was being held accountable for
    what   he   was      saying.”        Quarles    at    656.    Wakenhut       also   gave
    information based off his personal observations of defendant’s
    behavior inside the store.                 He testified that defendant was
    stumbling, made a mess with the hot water for his soup, had
    slurred speech, a hard time talking, and took a very long time
    to respond.          Accordingly, the tip in this case would be a more
    reliable tip than a true anonymous caller case where the caller
    gives no identifying information.
    Since    we    have    determined       defendant     was   not     seized   when
    Officer     Cloer      approached      him      and   engaged      in    conversation,
    Officer Cloer was able to corroborate the caller’s information
    before initiating a stop.              Officer Cloer’s personal observations
    of the odor of alcohol coming from defendant and an unopened
    container      of     beer    on     the   passenger     seat      corroborated      the
    caller’s       tip     of     an     impaired     person.          Officer     Cloer’s
    observations         during    the    voluntary       encounter     with    defendant,
    prior to asking him to get out of his vehicle, along with the
    information         from     the   caller’s       tip,   established        reasonable
    suspicion for the stop.
    Defendant cites to State v. Blankenship, _ N.C. App. _, 748
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    S.E.2d 616 (2013), as his main source of authority for why the
    trial court erred.          In Blankenship, officers received a “be-on-
    the-lookout”        message       from      dispatch.           A    taxicab           driver
    anonymously        called   911    and     reported      that   he   observed          a   red
    Mustang convertible with a black soft top driving erratically,
    running     over     traffic      cones,    and        continuing    west    on        Patton
    Avenue.     
    Id.
     at __, 748 S.E.2d at 617.                 The caller also provided
    the license plate, “XXT-9756”.                  Id.      A few minutes later, the
    officers spotted a red Mustang with a black soft top and an “X”
    in the license plate heading west on Patton Avenue.                              Id.       When
    the officers caught up to the vehicle, it had made a turn and
    was approaching a security gate.                  Id.      As the driver attempted
    to open the gate, the officers activated their blue lights and
    stopped the defendant.             Blankenship at __, 748 S.E.2d at 617.
    At   this   time,     the   officers       had    not     observed    the    “defendant
    violating     any    traffic      laws     or    see    any   evidence      of    improper
    driving     that    would   suggest        impairment[.]”           When    one    of      the
    officers spoke to the defendant, he detected a strong odor of
    alcohol and asked him to perform field sobriety tests.                                     Id.
    Based on his performance, the defendant was arrested for driving
    while impaired.        This Court found that the officers were unable
    to judge the caller’s “credibility and to confirm firsthand that
    the tip possessed sufficient indicia of reliability.                         Since [the
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    caller’s] anonymous tip did not possess sufficient indicia of
    reliability,     [the    officers]     did    not    possess    reasonable,
    articulable suspicion to stop defendant’s car.”              Id. at __, 748
    S.E.2d at 620.
    This    case    is   distinguishable      from    Blankenship   in    two
    distinct ways.     In Blankenship, the call was a true anonymous
    tip because the taxicab driver did not give any information that
    would enable the caller to be identified.            His identity was only
    discovered because the 911 operator was able to go back and
    trace the phone number.       Id. at __, 748 S.E.2d at 617.          By not
    identifying himself, the officers could not judge the caller’s
    credibility.     “Since the officers did not have an opportunity to
    assess his credibility,” the caller lacked sufficient indicia of
    reliability.     Id. at __, 748 S.E.2d at 618.           However, in this
    case, the caller was identified as an employee of the business
    where defendant was located, thus giving enough information that
    allowed for his identity to be ascertained at the scene and
    making him a more reliable tipster than the one in Blankenship.
    In Blankenship, although the officers did not personally
    observe   the   defendant    committing     any   unlawful   behavior,   they
    immediately initiated a stop by activating their blue lights as
    the “driver, defendant, attempted to open the gate.”             Id. at __,
    748 S.E.2d at 617.          The initial encounter was not voluntary
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    because the immediate activation of their blue lights acted as a
    show of authority that would make a reasonable person feel that
    they were not free to leave.                       Because it was not voluntary,
    reasonable suspicion was required to conduct the stop.                             In the
    case at hand, Officer Cloer did not activate his blue lights
    when he pulled into the parking lot and parked his car away from
    defendant’s          vehicle.       He    approached      defendant      on     foot    and
    engaged    in     a    conversation       in   a     voluntary    encounter      allowing
    Officer Cloer to make his own personal observations of the odor
    of alcohol and an unopened container of beer inside the car.
    Thus,     unlike       in    Blankenship,          Officer     Cloer     was     able   to
    personally       observe        defendant’s        behavior      to   corroborate       the
    caller’s tip prior to initiating the stop and he was able to
    form the necessary reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
    Therefore, defendant’s reliance on Blankenship is misplaced.
    IV.     Conclusion
    We     conclude         that   the    initial      encounter       between    Officer
    Cloer and the defendant was a voluntary encounter and thus did
    not require reasonable suspicion.                    Accordingly, Officer Cloer’s
    observations          during    the      consensual      encounter      (the     odor    of
    alcohol     and       an    unopened      container)         established       reasonable
    suspicion       to    further      detain      and    investigate      the     defendant.
    Based on the foregoing, we hold the trial court properly denied
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    defendant’s motion to suppress all evidence stemming from the
    initial stop.
    Affirmed.
    Judges ELMORE and DAVIS concur.