In re Guardianship of Eliza W. ( 2020 )


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    In re Guardianship of Eliza W.,
    a minor child.
    Susan W., appellee, v.
    Tara W., appellant.
    ___ N.W.2d ___
    Filed February 7, 2020.   No. S-18-1141.
    1. Guardians and Conservators: Judgments: Appeal and Error.
    Appeals of matters arising under the Nebraska Probate Code, Neb. Rev.
    Stat. §§ 30-2201 through 30-2902 (Reissue 2016 & Cum. Supp. 2018),
    are reviewed for error on the record. When reviewing a judgment for
    errors on the record, the inquiry is whether the decision conforms to the
    law, is supported by competent evidence, and is neither arbitrary, capri-
    cious, nor unreasonable.
    2. Judgments: Appeal and Error. An appellate court, in reviewing a
    judgment for errors on the record, will not substitute its factual find-
    ings for those of the lower court where competent evidence supports
    those findings.
    3. Statutes: Appeal and Error. Statutory interpretation is a question of
    law, which an appellate court resolves independently of the trial court.
    4. Statutes: Intent. When interpreting a statute, the starting point and
    focus of the inquiry is the meaning of the statutory language, understood
    in context.
    5. Statutes: Appeal and Error. Statutory language is to be given its plain
    and ordinary meaning, and an appellate court will not resort to inter-
    pretation to ascertain the meaning of statutory words which are plain,
    direct, and unambiguous.
    6. Statutes: Legislature: Intent. While policy statements or statutory
    preambles may be used, if needed, for assisting in interpreting the
    legislative intent for the specific act of which the statement is a part,
    it is generally recognized that such a provision cannot restrict or
    expand the meaning of the operative portions of a statute if they are
    unambiguous.
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    7. ____: ____: ____. Statutory policy statements and preambles cannot be
    used to arrive at an interpretation that would give words and phrases
    of the operative text itself a meaning that they cannot bear. Courts are
    bound to respect not only the purposes a legislative body has selected,
    but also the means it has deemed appropriate, and prescribed, for the
    pursuit of those purposes. It is a mistake to assume that anything that
    furthers a statute’s primary purpose is the law and that anything that
    does not perfectly do so is not.
    8. Statutes. When a statute specifically provides for exceptions, items not
    excluded are covered by the statute.
    Appeal from the County Court for Douglas County: Marcela
    A. Keim, Judge. Reversed and remanded with directions.
    Jonathan Seagrass, of Legal Aid of Nebraska, for appellant.
    Ashley L. Albertsen, Melissa M. Oestmann, and Jacob A.
    Acers, of Smith, Slusky, Pohren & Rogers, L.L.P., for appellee.
    Heavican, C.J., Miller-Lerman, Cassel, Stacy, Funke,
    Papik, and Freudenberg, JJ.
    Papik, J.
    The federal Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) and the
    Nebraska Indian Child Welfare Act (NICWA) provide specific
    procedures and requirements that apply in certain proceed-
    ings involving the custody and adoption of and termination of
    parental rights to Native American children. This case requires
    us to decide whether those procedures and requirements apply
    in a case in which a maternal grandmother sought to establish
    a guardianship for an Indian child over the objection of her
    daughter, the child’s mother. After interpreting the relevant
    statutory language, we conclude that the guardianship proceed-
    ing at issue was governed by ICWA and NICWA. In addi-
    tion, we find that the grandmother did not make the showing
    required by ICWA and NICWA. We therefore reverse the order
    of the county court establishing the guardianship and remand
    the cause with directions to vacate the guardianship, dismiss
    the petition, and return custody to the child’s mother.
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    BACKGROUND
    Petition for Guardianship.
    This case began when Susan W. filed a petition asking the
    Douglas County Court to appoint her as temporary and perma-
    nent guardian for her granddaughter, Eliza W. In the petition,
    Susan alleged that Eliza had lived with Susan and her husband,
    Jay W., since Eliza’s birth; that Eliza’s mother, Tara W., only
    intermittently resided at Susan and Jay’s home; that neither
    Tara nor Eliza’s father was able to meet Eliza’s financial,
    physical, and emotional needs; that Susan and Jay provided the
    primary financial, physical, and emotional support for Eliza;
    and that the appointment of a guardian was in the best interests
    of Eliza and necessary to protect and care for her. Eliza was 4
    years old at the time Susan filed the petition.
    On the same day Susan filed the petition for guardianship,
    she filed an ex parte application requesting that the county
    court immediately appoint her as temporary guardian until a
    hearing could be held on the matter. The court granted Susan’s
    application and appointed her as temporary guardian and con-
    servator for Eliza.
    Susan later filed an amended petition. The amended petition
    contained many of the same allegations as the original, but
    also included an assertion that Jay “is a registered member of
    the Muscogee Creek Indian Nation” and that Eliza “is subject
    to [ICWA].”
    At her first appearance in a hearing in this matter, Tara,
    representing herself, objected to the appointment of Susan
    as guardian.
    Requests for Appointed Counsel.
    Tara requested on several occasions that she be appointed
    counsel. Tara initially filed a form document used to request
    appointed counsel in custodial sanction cases. On that form
    document, Tara asserted that she was entitled to appointed
    counsel under a provision of NICWA, Neb. Rev. Stat.
    § 43-1505(2) (Reissue 2016), that she had no forms of income,
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    and that she received public assistance in the form of food
    stamps and Medicaid.
    Tara later submitted a letter to the court in which she
    requested appointment of counsel under § 43-1505(2).
    Documents indicating that Tara was a citizen of the Muscogee
    (Creek) Nation and that she was eligible to receive food stamps
    and Medicaid were attached to the letter.
    Tara again requested that she be appointed counsel at a hear-
    ing prior to trial. She again asserted an entitlement to counsel
    under § 43-1505(2) on the grounds that Susan’s petition was a
    “removal, placement, or termination proceeding” for purposes
    of that statutory provision and that Tara was indigent.
    A discussion between the court and Tara regarding her
    entitlement to counsel under § 43-1505(2) followed. The
    court expressed skepticism about whether Tara was entitled to
    appointed counsel under § 43-1505(2) in a guardianship pro-
    ceeding. The court also suggested that Tara had not followed
    the proper procedure for requesting appointed counsel. The
    court did not expressly rule on Tara’s requests for counsel, and
    Tara continued to represent herself at all proceedings in the
    county court.
    Trial on Petition for Guardianship.
    At the trial on Susan’s petition, Susan testified that Eliza
    had lived her entire life in Susan and Jay’s home. She testified
    that although Tara also lived there and provided Eliza with
    some care, Tara had on prior occasions left the home without
    notice, leaving Susan to care for Eliza. Susan testified that she
    and Jay were Eliza’s primary caregivers and that Tara func-
    tioned more like a babysitter for Eliza. Susan also testified to
    her belief that Tara previously had problems with substance
    abuse and that she exposed Eliza to individuals with crimi-
    nal backgrounds.
    Jay also testified and generally agreed with Susan’s testi-
    mony. In addition, he testified that he was of Native American
    descent and that through his lineage, Eliza was a member of
    the Muscogee (Creek) Nation Tribe.
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    Susan called a physician to testify. He testified that he was
    friends with Susan and Jay and had served as their family phy-
    sician. He also testified that his daughter had served as Eliza’s
    babysitter. Much of the physician’s testimony was based on
    his observations of members of Eliza’s family outside of a
    ­physician-patient relationship. Although he testified that based
    on his observations, Susan was Eliza’s primary caregiver, he
    testified that he had observed Tara and Eliza together and
    believed they had a good relationship, loved each other, and
    interacted well. When asked whether he would have any con-
    cerns if the court did not appoint Susan as guardian, he testi-
    fied that he believed Susan and Jay were providing Eliza with
    the proper physical and emotional support and that he did not
    “know that Tara would be able to do that.”
    Tara testified in her own behalf. She testified that when
    Eliza was born, Tara was working full time and was Eliza’s
    primary caregiver. She testified that she was diagnosed with
    viral meningitis in November 2016 and that she continued to
    suffer from associated headaches at the time of trial. She tes-
    tified that after her medical condition began to improve, she
    enrolled in college, and that she, Susan, and Jay began to share
    duties caring for Eliza. Tara testified that her relationship with
    her parents began to sour in 2018. At that point, she decided
    that she and Eliza should move out of her parents’ home. Tara
    then lived with Eliza at the home of a friend, Mark Keller, for a
    time. She also informed her parents she was considering mov-
    ing to Oklahoma with Eliza.
    Tara also called Keller as a witness. Keller testified that Tara
    and Eliza had lived at his home with his four children. Keller
    testified that he did not believe there was any reason Eliza
    would be harmed while staying at his home. Keller admitted
    on cross-examination that he had previously been convicted of
    felony drug possession charges.
    In closing argument, Tara argued that Susan had not made
    the showing necessary for the appointment of a guardianship
    under ICWA and NICWA. In particular, she emphasized that
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    ICWA and NICWA required expert testimony proving Tara’s
    continued custody of Eliza was likely to result in serious emo-
    tional or physical damage to Eliza and that no such testimony
    had been provided.
    Appointment of Guardian.
    At the conclusion of the evidence at trial, the county court
    stated on the record that it had found a sufficient basis for the
    appointment of Susan as Eliza’s guardian. It stated that the
    evidence showed that Tara was not a “fit and proper person
    to care for Eliza; that she is unable, at this time, to provide a
    safe and secure environment for her.” In what was presumably
    a reference to Tara’s arguments regarding the applicability of
    ICWA and NICWA, the court also stated that the request for a
    guardianship was “not a removal proceeding” or “a foster care
    placement proceeding.” The court later entered a written order,
    which did not mention ICWA or NICWA, appointing Susan as
    guardian for Eliza.
    Tara timely appealed.
    ASSIGNMENTS OF ERROR
    Tara assigns, condensed and restated, that the district court
    erred (1) by failing to apply ICWA and NICWA to the
    guardianship proceeding and (2) by concluding that Tara
    was unfit to care for Eliza or that she had forfeited her right
    to custody.
    STANDARD OF REVIEW
    [1,2] Appeals of matters arising under the Nebraska Probate
    Code, Neb. Rev. Stat. §§ 30-2201 through 30-2902 (Reissue
    2016 & Cum. Supp. 2018), are reviewed for error on the
    record. In re Guardianship of K.R., ante p. 1, 
    932 N.W.2d 737
    (2019). When reviewing a judgment for errors on the record,
    the inquiry is whether the decision conforms to the law, is
    supported by competent evidence, and is neither arbitrary,
    capricious, nor unreasonable.
    Id. An appellate
    court, in review-
    ing a judgment for errors on the record, will not substitute its
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    factual findings for those of the lower court where competent
    evidence supports those findings.
    Id. [3] Statutory
    interpretation is a question of law, which
    an appellate court resolves independently of the trial court.
    Griffith v. Nebraska Dept. of Corr. Servs., ante p. 287, 
    934 N.W.2d 169
    (2019).
    ANALYSIS
    Tara argues that the county court did not comply with ICWA
    and NICWA when it appointed Susan as guardian for Eliza.
    The parties dispute, however, whether ICWA and NICWA
    apply in these circumstances. We therefore begin our analysis
    with that question.
    Do ICWA and NICWA Apply?
    We have previously described ICWA and NICWA as gener-
    ally providing “heightened protection to the rights of Indian
    parents, tribes, and children in proceedings involving custody,
    termination, and adoption.” In re Adoption of Kenten H., 
    272 Neb. 846
    , 853, 
    725 N.W.2d 548
    , 554 (2007). Tara argues, as
    she argued in the county court, that the protections of ICWA
    and NICWA apply to a “foster care placement” and that the
    guardianship proceeding at issue here meets the definition of
    “foster care placement” under 25 U.S.C. § 1903(1)(i) (2012)
    and Neb. Rev. Stat. § 43-1503(3)(a) (Reissue 2016). Susan dis-
    agrees that the guardianship proceeding qualifies as a “foster
    care placement.”
    [4,5] To decide the parties’ dispute, we must turn to the
    language of ICWA and NICWA, particularly those statutes’
    definitions of “foster care placement.” As we often say, the
    starting point and focus of the inquiry when interpreting a
    statute is the meaning of the statutory language, understood
    in context. See State v. Garcia, 
    301 Neb. 912
    , 
    920 N.W.2d 708
    (2018). Our analysis must begin with the text, because
    statutory language is to be given its plain and ordinary mean-
    ing, and an appellate court will not resort to interpretation
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    to ascertain the meaning of statutory words which are plain,
    direct, and unambiguous. State v. Wal, 
    302 Neb. 308
    , 
    923 N.W.2d 367
    (2019).
    ICWA and NICWA’s definitions of “foster care placement”
    are substantially the same. NICWA defines “foster care place-
    ment” as follows:
    [A]ny action removing an Indian child from his or her
    parent or Indian custodian for temporary or emergency
    placement in a foster home or institution or the home of
    a guardian or conservator where the parent or Indian cus-
    todian cannot have the child returned upon demand, but
    where parental rights have not been terminated.
    § 43-1503(3)(a). ICWA’s definition is nearly the same, except
    that it contains no reference to emergency placement. 25
    U.S.C. § 1903(1)(i).
    An application of our familiar principles of statutory inter-
    pretation suggests that the guardianship proceeding initiated by
    Susan falls within the definitions of “foster care placement” in
    ICWA and NICWA. The definitions include four straightfor-
    ward elements: (1) an action removing an Indian child from his
    or her parent or Indian custodian, (2) temporary placement (or
    emergency placement in NICWA) in a foster home or institu-
    tion or the home of a guardian or conservator, (3) the parent or
    Indian custodian cannot have the child returned upon demand,
    and (4) parental rights are not terminated, each of which appear
    to be present here. The object of the guardianship proceeding
    was to remove custody of Eliza from her parent, Tara, and
    place custody with Susan, who would serve as guardian. In
    addition, our law recognizes guardianships as temporary cus-
    tody arrangements, the creation of which does not terminate
    parental rights, but which cannot be terminated without court
    approval. See In re Guardianship of D.J., 
    268 Neb. 239
    , 
    682 N.W.2d 238
    (2004); § 30-2616.
    Based on similar reasoning, courts from a number of other
    jurisdictions have interpreted ICWA’s definition of “foster care
    placement” to include guardianship proceedings. See, e.g.,
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    Matter of Guardianship of Q.G.M., 
    808 P.2d 684
    (Okla. 1991);
    Empson-Laviolette v. Crago, 
    280 Mich. App. 620
    , 
    760 N.W.2d 793
    (2008); In re Custody of A.K.H., 
    502 N.W.2d 790
    (Minn.
    App. 1993).
    The only argument Susan makes based on the statutory
    definition of “foster care placement” goes to the evidence of
    one element, rather than the definition itself. Susan claims
    that there was no demonstration that Eliza is an “Indian child”
    for purposes of ICWA and NICWA. This argument is some-
    what puzzling since Susan alleged in her amended petition
    that Eliza is subject to ICWA, her counsel conceded at trial
    that Eliza was “an Indian child” under ICWA and NICWA,
    and Jay testified that Eliza is a member of the Muscogee
    (Creek) Nation Tribe. Moreover, at trial, Susan offered and
    the court received into evidence a letter from the Muscogee
    (Creek) Nation stating that Eliza was a tribal citizen or eli-
    gible for enrollment through Tara. This evidence shows that
    Eliza qualifies as an “Indian child.” Both ICWA and NICWA
    define the term as “any unmarried person who is under age
    eighteen and is either (a) a member of an Indian tribe or (b) is
    eligible for membership in an Indian tribe and is the biological
    child of a member of an Indian tribe.” 25 U.S.C. § 1903(4);
    § 43-1503(8).
    Rather than focusing on the statutory definition of “foster
    care placement,” Susan primarily points to other provisions
    of ICWA and NICWA and contends that those other provi-
    sions should lead us to conclude that a “foster care placement”
    occurs only when proceedings are initiated by the government.
    We address these other statutory provisions below, but, as we
    will explain, we are not persuaded by Susan’s arguments.
    First, Susan points to broad statements of policy in both
    ICWA and NICWA. In particular, she refers us to 25 U.S.C.
    § 1902 (2012), which provides in part:
    [I]t is the policy of this Nation to protect the best inter-
    ests of Indian children and to promote the stability and
    security of Indian tribes and families by the establishment
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    of minimum Federal standards for the removal of Indian
    children from their families and the placement of such
    children in foster or adoptive homes which will reflect the
    unique values of Indian culture.
    In addition, she directs us to Neb. Rev. Stat. § 43-1502
    (Reissue 2016), in which the Nebraska Legislature stated that
    the purpose of NICWA “is to clarify state policies and proce-
    dures regarding the implementation by the State of Nebraska
    of [ICWA].”
    Susan contends that these provisions show that in passing
    ICWA and NICWA, Congress and our Legislature were con-
    cerned with situations in which government actors took actions
    to remove Indian children from their families and placed them
    in homes lacking an appreciation for Native American culture.
    Susan contends that this purpose is not served in this case,
    because the government is not a party to the guardianship pro-
    ceeding. Although Susan does not cite the case, she is asking
    us to follow the same approach taken by the Montana Supreme
    Court in Application of Bertelson, 
    189 Mont. 524
    , 
    617 P.2d 121
    (1980). In that case, the court relied on the language in 25
    U.S.C. § 1902 and concluded that ICWA should not apply to
    an intrafamily custody dispute. As we will explain, however,
    we believe the approach taken by the Application of Bertelson
    court places too much weight on 25 U.S.C. § 1902.
    [6] As noted above, 25 U.S.C. § 1902 of ICWA is a policy
    statement. While this court has previously held that policy
    statements or statutory preambles may be used, “if needed, for
    assisting in interpreting the legislative intent for the specific act
    of which the statement is a part,” State v. Buckman, 
    267 Neb. 505
    , 516, 
    675 N.W.2d 372
    , 381 (2004), it is generally recog-
    nized that such a provision cannot restrict or expand the mean-
    ing of the operative portions of a statute if they are unambigu-
    ous. See, generally, 2A Norman J. Singer & Shambie Singer,
    Statutes and Statutory Construction, § 47:4 (7th ed. 2014).
    No less an authority than the U.S. Supreme Court recently
    articulated this understanding. The Court rejected an argument
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    based on statutory statements of purpose, explaining that such
    provisions, “by their nature ‘cannot override [a statute’s] opera-
    tive language.’” Sturgeon v. Frost, ___ U.S. ___, 
    139 S. Ct. 1066
    , 1086, 
    203 L. Ed. 2d 453
    (2019), quoting Antonin Scalia
    & Bryan A. Garner, Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal
    Texts 220 (2012).
    [7] We find sound the view that statutory policy statements
    and preambles cannot be used to arrive at an interpretation that
    would “give words and phrases of the [operative] text itself
    a meaning that they cannot bear.” Scalia & Garner, supra at
    218. After all, courts are bound to respect not only the pur-
    poses a legislative body “has selected, but [also] the means
    it has deemed appropriate, and prescribed, for the pursuit of
    those purposes.” MCI Telecommunications Corp. v. American
    Telephone & Telegraph Co., 
    512 U.S. 218
    , 231 n.4, 
    114 S. Ct. 2223
    , 
    129 L. Ed. 2d 182
    (1994). It is thus a mistake to assume
    that anything that furthers a statute’s primary purpose is the
    law and that anything that does not perfectly do so is not. See,
    Henson v. Santander Consumer USA Inc., ___ U.S. ___, 
    137 S. Ct. 1718
    , 
    198 L. Ed. 2d 177
    (2017); Scalia & Garner, supra
    at 219.
    Here, we find that Susan is asking us to use the policy
    statement in 25 U.S.C. § 1902 to give “foster care place-
    ment” a meaning that the text defining the phrase cannot bear.
    As we have already indicated, Susan can point to nothing
    in the definition of “foster care placement” suggesting it is
    limited to proceedings initiated by a state actor. In fact, the
    language expressly indicates otherwise—the phrase is defined
    to include “any action” in which the four elements discussed
    above are present, not just some. See, 25 U.S.C. § 1903(1)(i);
    § 43-1502(3)(a); In re Interest of Powers, 
    242 Neb. 19
    , 23, 
    493 N.W.2d 166
    , 169 (1992) (“in popular parlance, the word ‘any’
    usually means all or every”).
    [8] Susan’s preferred interpretation also fails to account
    for the fact that ICWA and NICWA expressly create a simi-
    lar, but narrower, exception than the one she asks us to infer.
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    ICWA and NICWA exclude from their scope, “an award, in
    a divorce proceeding, of custody to one of the parents.” 25
    U.S.C. § 1903(1); § 43-1503(3). In other words, both Congress
    and the Nebraska Legislature specifically excluded one type of
    exclusively intrafamily custody dispute from the protections
    of ICWA and NICWA. One of our rules of statutory inter-
    pretation provides that when a statute specifically provides
    for exceptions, items not excluded are covered by the stat-
    ute. Castonguay v. Retelsdorf, 
    291 Neb. 220
    , 
    865 N.W.2d 91
    (2015). Susan’s preferred interpretation obviously runs counter
    to this canon, because she asks us to find that all intrafamily
    custody disputes are not covered by ICWA and NICWA when
    Congress and our Legislature excluded only some.
    Moreover, if, as Susan asserts, ICWA and NICWA apply
    only to actions initiated by the government, the statutory exclu-
    sion for awards of custody in divorce proceedings would serve
    no purpose. This, too, runs counter to our rules of statutory
    interpretation. We strive, if possible, to give effect to all parts
    of a statute such that no sentence, clause, or word is rendered
    meaningless. See State v. Clemens, 
    300 Neb. 601
    , 
    915 N.W.2d 550
    (2018). Several courts have pointed to ICWA’s exclusion of
    custody awards in divorce proceedings as a reason for not fol-
    lowing the Montana Supreme Court’s approach in Application
    of Bertelson, 
    189 Mont. 524
    , 
    617 P.2d 121
    (1980). See, e.g.,
    In re Custody of A.K.H., 
    502 N.W.2d 790
    (Minn. App. 1993);
    Matter of Guardianship of Q.G.M., 
    808 P.2d 684
    (Okla. 1991).
    See, also, A.B.M. v. M.H., 
    651 P.2d 1170
    (Alaska 1982) (reject-
    ing argument based on Application of Bertelson as contrary to
    the express provisions of ICWA).
    Neither are we persuaded by Susan’s argument that we
    should conclude that the protections of ICWA and NICWA do
    not apply to proceedings initiated by parties other than the gov-
    ernment, based on NICWA’s “active efforts” provision. NICWA
    requires parties seeking to effect a foster care placement of or
    termination of parental rights to an Indian child to prove that
    they used “active efforts” to “provide remedial services and
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    rehabilitative programs designed to prevent the breakup of
    the Indian family or unite the parent or Indian custodian with
    the Indian child and that these efforts have proved unsuccess-
    ful.” § 43-1505(4). Elsewhere, NICWA provides that “[a]ctive
    efforts shall mean and include, but not be limited to” several
    specific measures. § 43-1503(1).
    Susan describes the “active efforts” measures codified in
    § 43-1503(1) as a “colossal undertaking and expenditure of
    resources” and contends it is clear this standard was not
    intended to apply to private individuals initiating guardianship
    proceedings. Brief for appellee at 17. Susan’s argument fails to
    account for our rejection of the notion that the measures listed
    in § 43-1503(1)(a) to (h) form a “checklist” in which the initi-
    ating party is required to show compliance with each item. See
    In re Adoption of Micah H., 
    301 Neb. 437
    , 450, 
    918 N.W.2d 834
    , 846 (2018). And, in any event, Susan fails to identify any
    statutory text that supports her argument regarding legisla-
    tive intention.
    For all these reasons, we are not persuaded by Susan’s
    arguments that the guardianship proceeding she initiated does
    not qualify as a “foster care placement” under ICWA and
    NICWA.
    Did County Court Comply
    With ICWA and NICWA?
    Our conclusion that this guardianship proceeding qualified
    as a “foster care placement” for purposes of ICWA and NICWA
    does not resolve the parties’ disagreements. Tara asserts that
    the guardianship proceeding failed to comply with ICWA and
    NICWA in a number of ways. She contends that she was denied
    a right to appointed counsel which she possessed under ICWA
    and NICWA, that Susan failed to comply with notice require-
    ments of ICWA and NICWA, that Susan failed to demonstrate
    the “active efforts” required by ICWA and NICWA, and that
    Susan failed to meet the heightened standard of proof required
    by ICWA and NICWA. To this, Susan offers an alternative
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    argument: that even if the county court erroneously concluded
    that the guardianship proceeding was not a “foster care place-
    ment,” it nonetheless complied with ICWA and NICWA in all
    respects. As we will explain, we again disagree.
    At first glance, it may appear that the county court clearly
    erred by not granting Tara’s requests for appointed counsel.
    ICWA and NICWA provide that “[i]n any case in which the
    court determines indigency, the parent or Indian custodian
    shall have the right to court-appointed counsel in any removal,
    placement, or termination proceeding.” 25 U.S.C. § 1912(b)
    (2012); § 43-1505(2). This language appears to grant Tara a
    right to court-appointed counsel in the guardianship proceeding
    if she was indigent. It is not clear, however, whether the county
    court declined to appoint counsel based on a determination that
    ICWA and NICWA did not apply or because it found that Tara
    used an incorrect procedure or failed to adequately demon-
    strate indigency. In the end, we find it unnecessary to sort out
    this question and many other ICWA and NICWA compliance
    arguments raised by Tara, because we find that Susan failed
    to meet the heightened standard of proof imposed by ICWA
    and NICWA.
    NICWA provides that a court may not order foster care
    placement “in the absence of a determination by the court, sup-
    ported by clear and convincing evidence, including testimony
    of qualified expert witnesses, that the continued custody of the
    child by the parent or Indian custodian is likely to result in seri-
    ous emotional or physical damage to the child.” § 43-1505(5).
    ICWA contains a provision that is substantially the same. See
    25 U.S.C. § 1912(e). ICWA and NICWA thus not only impose
    a heightened standard of proof for “foster care placements,”
    they also require that the person seeking the placement meet
    that standard with expert testimony. Tara focuses her argument
    on the expert testimony requirement, contending that no quali-
    fied expert witness testified at trial.
    Susan concedes that none of the witnesses she called as part
    of her case provided the expert testimony required by ICWA
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    and NICWA. She maintains, however, that the expert witness
    requirement was met through testimony provided by Tara. We
    disagree and find that Tara neither qualified as an expert nor
    provided expert testimony.
    This court has previously relied on guidelines promulgated
    by the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs to determine whether a
    witness qualifies as an expert under ICWA. See In re Interest
    of C.W. et al., 
    239 Neb. 817
    , 
    479 N.W.2d 105
    (1992), over-
    ruled on other grounds, In re Interest of Zylena R. & Adrionna
    R., 
    284 Neb. 834
    , 
    825 N.W.2d 173
    (2012). Those guidelines
    recognized the following categories of individuals as likely to
    meet the requirements of ICWA:
    “(i) A member of the Indian child’s tribe who is rec-
    ognized by the tribal community as knowledgeable in
    tribal customs as they pertain to family organization and
    childrearing practices.
    “(ii) A lay expert witness having substantial experience
    in the delivery of child and family services to Indians,
    and extensive knowledge of prevailing social and cul-
    tural standards in childrearing practices within the Indian
    child’s tribe.
    “(iii) A professional person having substantial educa-
    tion and experience in the area of his or her 
    specialty.” 239 Neb. at 824
    , 479 N.W.2d at 111, quoting Guidelines
    for State Courts; Indian Child Custody Proceedings, 44 Fed.
    Reg. 67,854, 67,593 (1979) (not codified). NICWA includes a
    definition of “qualified expert witness” that is similar to these
    guidelines. See § 43-1503(15).
    More recently, the Bureau of Indian Affairs issued formal
    regulations and new guidelines discussing the implementation
    of ICWA. With respect to the expert witness requirement, the
    formal regulations provide as follows:
    A qualified expert witness must be qualified to testify
    regarding whether the child’s continued custody by the
    parent or Indian custodian is likely to result in serious
    emotional or physical damage to the child and should be
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    qualified to testify as to the prevailing social and cultural
    standards of the Indian child’s Tribe.
    25 C.F.R. § 23.122(a) (2019).
    The accompanying new guidelines indicate that there may
    be some cases in which expert testimony from an individual
    with knowledge of tribal culture is not required. They provide,
    in part:
    The rule does not, however, strictly limit who may serve
    as a qualified expert witness to only those individuals
    who have particular Tribal social and cultural knowledge.
    The rule recognizes that there may be certain circum-
    stances where a qualified expert witness need not have
    specific knowledge of the prevailing social and cultural
    standards of the Indian child’s Tribe in order to meet
    the statutory standard. For example, a leading expert on
    issues regarding sexual abuse of children may not need to
    know about specific Tribal social and cultural standards
    in order to testify as a qualified expert witness regarding
    whether return of a child to a parent who has a history
    of sexually abusing the child is likely to result in serious
    emotional or physical damage to the child. Thus, while
    a qualified expert witness should normally be required
    to have knowledge of Tribal social and cultural stan-
    dards, that may not be necessary if such knowledge is
    plainly irrelevant to the particular circumstances at issue
    in the proceeding.
    U.S. Dept. of Interior, Bureau of Indian Affairs, Guidelines
    for Implementing the Indian Child Welfare Act G.2 at 54
    (Dec. 2016).
    Susan argues that Tara qualified as an expert witness based
    on her prior attendance at a Native American college, her
    ability to speak Cherokee, and the fact that she is pursuing a
    bachelor’s degree that will include two “subconcentrations,”
    one of which is in Native American studies. Susan also asserts
    in her brief that Tara testified to serving as president of the
    “Native Indian Centered Education” program of Omaha Public
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    Schools. Brief for appellee at 25. This assertion, however,
    misstates the record. Tara testified to serving as president of
    a parental advisory board affiliated with another educational
    program. There is no indication in the record this educational
    program was similarly focused on Native American children.
    We harbor serious doubts that the record shows that Tara
    was qualified to testify regarding prevailing social and cultural
    standards of Eliza’s tribe. The record shows only that Tara was
    a member of the tribe, spoke Cherokee, and had pursued some
    Native American studies, the scope of which was unclear.
    There is no indication that she was recognized by a tribal
    community as knowledgeable of Indian customs and childrear-
    ing practices or that she had experience in the delivery of
    child and family services to Indians. When presented with a
    similar record, the Nebraska Court of Appeals concluded that
    a child’s mother was not a qualified expert under NICWA. See
    In re Interest of Ramon N., 
    18 Neb. Ct. App. 574
    , 
    789 N.W.2d 272
    (2010).
    But even if Tara was qualified to testify regarding prevail-
    ing social and cultural standards of Eliza’s tribe, there is no
    indication in the record that she was qualified to provide
    expert testimony regarding whether her continued custody
    of Eliza was likely to result in serious emotional or physical
    damage to Eliza. The recent formal regulations make clear an
    expert “must be qualified” to present such testimony. 25 C.F.R.
    § 23.122(a) (emphasis supplied). In addition, even if Tara was
    qualified to provide such testimony, we do not believe she
    actually did so. In support of her argument that Tara provided
    the required expert testimony, Susan directs us to portions of
    Tara’s testimony and contends they show that Tara does not
    consider Eliza’s best interests and that it was in Eliza’s best
    interests to remain in Susan’s care. In that testimony, however,
    Tara was explaining why she made certain decisions concern-
    ing Eliza. Regardless of whether Tara’s explanations were
    compelling, this factual testimony cannot be fairly construed
    as an expert opinion as to whether her continued custody of
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    Eliza would likely result in serious emotional or physical dam-
    age to Eliza.
    From all appearances, both Susan’s trial counsel and the
    county court assumed that this was not a “foster care place-
    ment” and that therefore Susan need only show that Tara
    was an unfit parent in order to be appointed as guardian. As
    we have explained, however, that assumption was incorrect.
    This was a “foster care placement” for purposes of ICWA and
    NICWA, and Congress and our Legislature have made a policy
    decision that courts cannot order such a placement based on
    an ordinary showing of parental unfitness alone. Because there
    was an absence of the expert testimony required by ICWA
    and NICWA, the county court erred by appointing Susan as
    Eliza’s guardian.
    Disposition.
    Having determined that Susan did not make the required
    showing under ICWA and NICWA, all that remains is the
    disposition of this appeal. Tara suggests that Neb. Rev.
    Stat. § 43-1512 (Reissue 2016) is determinative. Section
    43-1512 states:
    When any petitioner in an Indian child custody pro-
    ceeding before a state court has improperly removed the
    child from custody of the parent or Indian custodian or
    has improperly retained custody after a visit or other tem-
    porary relinquishment of custody, the court shall decline
    jurisdiction over such petition and shall forthwith return
    the child to his or her parent or Indian custodian unless
    returning the child to his or her parent or custodian
    would subject the child to a substantial and immediate
    danger or threat of such danger.
    ICWA contains a nearly identical provision. See 25 U.S.C.
    § 1920 (2012).
    Tara contends that the county court improperly removed
    Eliza from the custody of Tara and that, therefore, § 43-1512
    applies and requires us to reverse the order and remand the
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    cause to the county court for a determination of whether return-
    ing Eliza to Tara would subject Eliza to substantial and imme-
    diate danger or a threat of such danger. We disagree that this
    provision applies here.
    The language in § 43-1512 expressly applies when “any peti-
    tioner” improperly removes an Indian child from the custody
    of his or her parent or improperly retains custody of the child.
    (Emphasis supplied.) See, also, 25 U.S.C. § 1920 (same). The
    provision gives no indication that it also applies where a court
    order brings about the removal of a child and the petitioner
    merely follows that order. Indeed, it would be more than a stretch
    to call such a removal “improper.” We are not the only court to
    have read this language to apply only when parties remove or
    retain custody of the child extralegally. See, e.g., D.E.D. v. State,
    
    704 P.2d 774
    , 782 (Alaska 1985) (concluding 25 U.S.C. § 1920
    “‘is aimed at those persons who improperly secure or improp-
    erly retain custody of the child without the consent of the parent
    or Indian custodian and without the sanction of law’” (emphasis
    omitted), quoting Indian Child Welfare Act of 1978, Pub. L. No.
    95-608, § 110, 92 Stat. 3069).
    Here, Susan did not improperly remove or retain custody of
    Eliza extralegally; rather, a county court order removed Eliza
    from Tara’s custody. Consequently, we conclude that § 43-1512
    does not apply.
    Because ICWA and NICWA do not set forth specific rules
    governing our disposition in this case, we believe it appropri-
    ate to dispose of the case as we would an ordinary guardian-
    ship proceeding in which a petitioner failed to meet his or
    her burden of proving the right to custody of a child. We thus
    reverse, and remand with directions to vacate the guardianship,
    dismiss the petition, and return Eliza to Tara’s custody. See,
    e.g., In re Guardianship of D.J., 
    268 Neb. 239
    , 
    682 N.W.2d 238
    (2004) (reversing, and remanding with directions to termi-
    nate guardianship and return child to custody of mother where
    grandparents failed to prove child’s mother forfeited parental
    rights); In re Interest of Tyler W., No. A-11-1097, 2012 WL
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    5328645 (Neb. App. Oct. 30, 2012) (selected for posting to
    court website) (reversing, and remanding with instructions to
    dismiss guardianship action where petitioner failed to prove
    mother was unfit or forfeited right to custody of child). See,
    also, In re Interest of Borius H. et al., 
    251 Neb. 397
    , 
    558 N.W.2d 31
    (1997) (explaining that because State did not meet
    burden to allow for continued detention of juvenile, appellate
    courts lacked authority to order continued detention).
    CONCLUSION
    The record does not contain the expert testimony required
    by ICWA and NICWA, and therefore the county court’s deci-
    sion to appoint Susan as guardian was not supported by
    competent evidence. Because of the failure of proof, we must
    reverse, and remand with directions to vacate the guardianship
    and dismiss the petition.
    Reversed and remanded with directions.