DCPP VS. L.G., IN THE MATTER OF N.G. (FN-12-0296-12, MIDDLESEX COUNTY AND STATEWIDE) (RECORD IMPOUNDED) ( 2018 )


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    SUPERIOR COURT OF NEW JERSEY
    APPELLATE DIVISION
    DOCKET NO. A-5333-15T4
    NEW JERSEY DIVISION OF CHILD
    PROTECTION AND PERMANENCY,
    Plaintiff-Respondent,
    v.
    L.G.,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    __________________________________
    IN THE MATTER OF N.G., a Minor.
    __________________________________
    Argued April 16, 2018 – Decided December 4, 2018
    Before Judges Ostrer and Rose.
    On appeal from Superior Court of New Jersey,
    Chancery Division, Family Part, Middlesex County,
    Docket No. FN-12-0296-12.
    Clara S. Licata, Designated Counsel, argued the cause
    for appellant (Joseph E. Krakora, Public Defender,
    attorney; Clara S. Licata, on the briefs).
    Salima E. Burke, Deputy Attorney General, argued the
    cause for respondent (Gurbir S. Grewal, Attorney
    General, attorney; Jason W. Rockwell, Assistant
    Attorney General, of counsel; Salima E. Burke, on the
    brief).
    Olivia Belfatto Crisp, Assistant Deputy Public
    Defender, argued the cause for minor (Joseph E.
    Krakora, Public Defender, Law Guardian, attorney;
    Olivia Belfatto Crisp, on the brief).
    The opinion of the court was delivered by
    OSTRER, J.A.D.
    Defendant L.G. (Lara) 1 appeals from three family court orders in this Title
    9 case. See N.J.S.A. 9:6-8.21 to -8.73. In the first, entered January 2013, the
    court found that Lara abused or neglected her daughter N.G. (Nina), then six and
    a half years old, by "str[iking] the child with an object using excessive force
    causing bruising on the child." In the second, entered six months later, the court
    temporarily suspended visitation between Lara and Nina, based on, among other
    things, Nina's therapist's recommendation. Finally, three years later, after a
    problematic period of resumed visitation, the court terminated the litigation and
    ordered visitation between Lara and Nina remain "temporarily suspended" u ntil
    Nina's therapist recommended that it resume.
    1
    We use pseudonyms to protect the privacy of the parties.
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    We affirm the first two orders. We reverse the third, and remand for a
    plenary hearing.
    We consider each challenged order in turn.
    I. The Order Finding Abuse or Neglect.
    A.
    At the January 7, 2013 fact-finding hearing, the Division's caseworker and
    Lara testified.    Without objection, the court admitted into evidence Nina's
    medical evaluation by Dr. Gladibel Medina; the caseworker's investigation
    summary; six photographs of Nina taken by the caseworker after the abuse and
    neglect allegation was made; and Lara's psychological evaluation by Helen
    Raytek, Psy. D. That record discloses the following facts.
    In January 2012, Lara and her husband, Fred, began living separately after
    Fred told police that Lara had physically abused him. Lara also claimed that
    Fred physically abused her. She was removed from the home by the police.
    Thereafter, their daughter lived with Fred during the week and spent weekends
    with Lara.
    On April 30, 2012, Fred noticed bruising on Nina's thigh upon her return
    from Lara. He called the Division and blamed Lara. Nina initially told Fred
    that she hit herself at church, but Fred added that Nina said the same thing about
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    a shin bruise two months earlier. Then Nina said Lara hit her with a "brush
    hair," which Fred clarified was a comb.          The caseworker reported Nina
    "indicated that her mother was angry when she was hit." Fred then reported he
    had observed Lara hit Nina with a closed hand in the past. Nina also stated Lara
    "pinches her cheeks and slaps her hand when she is in trouble." Fred alleged he
    had a temporary restraining order against Lara.
    During a home interview, the caseworker photographed two bruises on
    Nina's thigh, each about two inches long. Nina said her mother hit her while she
    was combing her hair, but she did not know why. Nina also said her mother hits
    her with a belt, slaps her back with an open hand, pinches her cheeks, and hits
    her on the hand. Nina said she was hit "every time" she visited her mother. Nina
    reported that she feared her mother, but felt safe with her father. 2
    In a subsequent interview at Lara's home, Lara denied any physical
    violence toward Nina. Lara asserted she saw the bruises on Nina's thigh while
    giving Nina a bath. She said Nina told her she fell. Lara's brother and nephews,
    who resided with her, reported no concerns about Nina's well-being while in
    Lara's care; stated they observed no corporal punishment; but agreed that the
    2
    Nina also reported that her father has hit her with a belt in the past, but her
    mother did so more frequently. Fred admitted it, but told the caseworker he
    would no longer discipline Nina in that way.
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    relationship between Lara and Fred was marked by domestic violence. The day
    after her interview, Lara called the caseworker and alleged that Nina's
    babysitter, Lisa, who was also Fred's girlfriend, hit Nina and caused the bruises.
    Nina reported to Dr. Medina that her mother "hits her with a comb on her
    body, pinches her cheeks, and hits her with a hand on her back. . . . whenever
    she does something wrong." She claimed, contrary to Fred's admission, that her
    father did not strike her. Dr. Medina concluded that the "purplish greenish
    bruising" on Nina's thigh were "consistent with the history [Nina] provide[d] of
    having been discipline[d] by the use of an object, in this case a comb. . . . The
    bruise marks . . . are indicative of an excessive amount of force used to discipline
    this child which is inappropriate."
    Lara told Dr. Raytek she did not hit Nina. Lara suggested that Lisa was
    to blame for Nina's bruises, and Fred may have coached Nina. Dr. Raytek
    reviewed Dr. Medina's report and spoke with the caseworker. The caseworker
    told Dr. Raytek that Lara initially denied seeing any bruising on Nina's thigh.
    Lara called the caseworker the next day and said she now remembered the
    bruises but blamed Lisa.
    Dr. Raytek said that the Million Clinical Multiaxial Inventory–III
    assessment indicated Lara was "capable of portraying a different version of an
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    incident when she feels criticized," and in her interview, she "showed a tendency
    to project blame on others and proclaim her innocence." Dr. Raytek concluded
    Lara was "at risk for physically abusing her daughter again because she lacks
    sufficient constructive ways to cope with stressors." He recommended Lara
    attend psychotherapy and sessions with a parent mentor, and have therapeutic
    visitation with Nina.
    With minor deviations, the caseworker generally confirmed facts set forth
    in her investigation summary. 3
    Lara first testified that she noticed the bruises when bathing Nina on
    Sunday; asked Nina what happened; and Nina said "nothing." But, on cross-
    examination, Lara claimed she first saw the bruise when Nina was asleep on
    Saturday. Lara said that she did not want to wake Nina and therefore waited
    until the morning to ask about the bruises. She also claimed for the first time
    she called Fred about it on Saturday, and he said he knew nothing about it. She
    3
    She testified that Fred saw the bruise on Nina's thigh while bathing her,
    although he said nothing about bathing, according to the Investigation Summary.
    The caseworker also testified that Lara initially denied seeing any bruises, but
    remembered them the following day and blamed Lisa. By contrast, according
    to the Investigation Summary, Lara admitted from the beginning that she noticed
    the bruises.
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    did not call the Division because she did not want to traumatize Nina, or get
    Fred in trouble.
    Lara's counsel argued in summation that Lara did not strike Nina, but even
    if she did, it did not amount to abuse or neglect. The Law Guardian and the
    Division argued the court should credit Nina's allegation that her mother struck
    her, which was corroborated by other evidence, including the photographs, and
    the expert reports. The Division highlighted that an object was used to strike
    Nina, and Dr. Raytek found Lara not credible.
    In finding abuse or neglect, the judge found that Lara struck Nina with a
    comb with substantial force, and that corporal punishment was excessive. The
    court found the caseworker credible, but found that Lara was not, noting
    inconsistencies in her testimony and her evasive demeanor. The court also noted
    Dr. Raytek's opinion that Lara was not being truthful.
    The court noted that Nina consistently reported to the caseworker and Dr.
    Medina that her mother hit her with a comb. Her statements were corroborated
    by the photographs, and Dr. Medina's opinion that the bruises were consistent
    with being struck by an object with "excessive force." The judge also found
    credible Nina's assertion that defendant committed "other types of assaults,
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    meaning the belt, pinching, slapping," although the judge did not identify
    evidence that specifically corroborated that account.
    The court concluded that the corporal punishment was excessive based on
    the nature of the injury, and the absence of mitigating circumstances.
    Distinguishing Department of Children and Families, Division of Youth and
    Family Services v. K.A., 
    413 N.J. Super. 504
    , 512 (App. Div. 2010), the court
    noted there was no evidence that Nina presented behavioral difficulties; or that
    Lara lacked support. Also, there was no evidence as to what prompted the
    striking. Lara declined to take responsibility for Nina's bruises. The court also
    found there to be a pattern of abuse, based on Nina's allegations of prior
    incidents. The court ordered therapeutic and supervised visitation between
    mother and daughter.
    B.
    In challenging the finding of abuse or neglect by excessive corporal
    punishment, Lara contends Nina's statements were uncorroborated; the trial
    court relied on improperly admitted expert reports from the Division's two
    consultants; and one report "rendered an opinion as to the ultimate legal issue -
    whether the corporal punishment was excessive . . . ." She also asserts that she
    received ineffective assistance of counsel at the fact-finding hearing because her
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    counsel did not object to the expert reports, and failed to effectively cross -
    examine the Division caseworker, and advocate for her during summations.
    We are not persuaded.       We deferentially review the Family Court's
    factfinding, see N.J. Div. of Youth & Family Servs. v. F.M., 
    211 N.J. 420
    , 448
    (2012), as well as its evidentiary rulings, Estate of Hanges v. Metro. Prop. &
    Cas. Ins. Co., 
    202 N.J. 369
    , 382 (2010). Determining whether a person has
    inflicted excessive corporal punishment is a particularly fact-sensitive endeavor,
    N.J. Div. of Youth & Family Servs. v. P.W.R., 
    205 N.J. 17
    , 33 (2011), since
    N.J.S.A. 9:6-8.21(c)(4)(b) prohibits excessive corporal punishment, not corporal
    punishment generally, Dep't of Children & Families, Div. of Youth & Family
    Servs. v. K.A., 
    413 N.J. Super. 504
    , 510 (App. Div. 2010). We will not disturb
    a trial court's fact-finding if "supported by adequate, substantial, credible
    evidence." Cesare v. Cesare, 
    154 N.J. 394
    , 412 (1998). We review issues of
    law de novo. Manalapan Realty, LP v. Twp. Comm. of Manalapan, 
    140 N.J. 366
    , 378 (1995).
    The trial court did not err in concluding that Nina's statements were
    corroborated, and therefore, admissible.      Under Title 9, a child's hearsay
    statements relating to abuse or neglect allegations shall be admissible "provided,
    however, that no such statement, if uncorroborated, shall be sufficient to make
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    a fact finding of abuse or neglect." N.J.S.A. 9:6-8.46(a)(4). "The corroborative
    evidence need not relate directly to the alleged abuser, it need only provide
    support for the out-of-court statements." N.J. Div. of Youth & Family Servs. v.
    Z.P.R., 
    351 N.J. Super. 427
    , 436 (App. Div. 2002).
    Physical evidence of assault is certainly corroborative.       
    Ibid.
       The
    photographs of Nina's bruises suffice to corroborate not only her report that her
    mother struck her with a comb to cause those bruises, but also to support her
    allegation that her mother struck her on other occasions as well. Corroboration
    may also include "medical or scientific evidence." N.J. Div. of Youth & Family
    Servs. v. L.A., 
    357 N.J. Super. 155
    , 166 (App. Div. 2003). Dr. Medina's opinion
    that the bruises were caused by "excessive force" corroborate Nina's statement
    and belie Lara's claim that she fell. We recognize that the consistency of Nina's
    reports, noted by the trial court, does not alone constitute corroboration. See
    N.J. Div. of Child Prot. & Permanency v. N.B., 
    452 N.J. Super. 513
    , 523 (App.
    Div. 2017). However, Nina's statements were adequately corroborated by other
    evidence – the photographs and Dr. Medina's opinion.
    We also reject Lara's argument that the court erred in admitting the expert
    opinions in Dr. Medina's report. She concedes that the report was admissible
    pursuant to Rule 5:12-4(d), which authorizes the Division "to submit into
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    evidence, pursuant to N.J.R.E. 803(c)(6) and 801(d), reports by . . . professional
    consultants." However, she contends, absent Dr. Medina's in-court testimony,
    the opinions should have been excluded under N.J.R.E. 808, which bars
    embedded expert opinion "unless the judge makes specific findings regarding
    trustworthiness" under the circumstances. N.J. Div. of Youth & Family Servs.
    v. M.G., 
    427 N.J. Super. 154
    , 174 (App. Div. 2012).
    We need not reach the N.J.R.E. 808 issue, because defense counsel did
    not object when the Division offered into evidence Dr. Medina's and Dr.
    Raytek's reports, and other documentary evidence. "Hearsay subject to a well -
    founded objection is generally evidential if no objection is made." N.J. Div. of
    Child Prot. & Permanency v. J.D., 
    447 N.J. Super. 337
    , 348-49 (App. Div.
    2016). Nor was the judge obliged to reject the evidence absent an objection.
    In general, it is not the judge's responsibility,
    particularly in a bench trial with represented parties, to
    intervene with a well-founded hearsay objection,
    whenever counsel choose not to raise one of their own.
    When objectionable hearsay is admitted in a bench trial
    without objection, we presume that the fact-finder
    appreciates the potential weakness of such proofs, and
    takes that into account in weighing the evidence.
    [Id. at 349.]
    Cf. In re Commitment of A.X.D., 
    370 N.J. Super. 198
    , 202 (App. Div. 2004)
    (stating "it would have been improper for the trial judge to have considered for
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    their truth any complex diagnoses that may have been contained in these reports,
    to the extent those diagnoses were contested") (emphasis added).
    Lara has also not established that admission of Dr. Medina's opinions was
    "plain error." State v. Frisby, 
    174 N.J. 583
    , 591 (2002) (considering, under plain
    error analysis, admission of unobjected-to hearsay).           Defendant has not
    successfully challenged the relevance or trustworthiness of Dr. Medina's
    opinion. See J.D., 447 N.J. Super. at 349. "[A]n appellant faces an especially
    high hurdle in an appeal from a civil bench trial to establish that the admission
    of such [hearsay] evidence constitutes 'plain error.'" Ibid.
    We also reject Lara's contention that defense counsel was ineffective by
    failing to object to the two expert reports. She also claims her attorney was
    ineffective in cross-examination and summation. We have considered such
    claims under the two-pronged Strickland 4 test applicable to ineffective
    assistance of counsel claims in criminal cases: a party must show that counsel's
    performance was deficient and there was a "reasonable probability that, but for
    counsel's unprofessional errors, the result of the proceeding would have been
    different." See N.J. Div. of Youth & Family Servs. v. B.R., 
    192 N.J. 301
    , 307-
    09 (2007) (applying Strickland to termination of parental rights); N.J. Div. of
    4
    Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
     (1984).
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    Youth & Family Servs. v. N.S., 
    412 N.J. Super. 593
    , 642-43 (App. Div. 2010)
    (applying Strickland to an abuse or neglect case).
    Counsel's non-objection to the reports may have been based on a
    reasonable trial strategy. See N.J. Div. of Youth & Family Servs. v. M.C. III,
    
    201 N.J. 328
    , 342 (2010) (noting that defendant's counsel "may have made a
    strategic decision to try the case on the documents, instead of possibly facing a
    witness's direct testimony"). The reports were damaging, and live testimony,
    even with the opportunity to cross-examine, may only have strengthened the
    Division's case. In any event, Lara has failed to show that, but for the failure to
    object, there was a reasonable probability the result would have been different.
    She has presented no competing expert's report, or any significant inherent flaw
    in the experts' reasoning.
    Lara's remaining arguments regarding the court's finding of excessive
    corporal punishment, and her claims of ineffective assistance, lack sufficient
    merit to warrant discussion. R. 2:11-3(e)(1)(E).
    II. The Order Suspending Visitation
    Defendant argues the court's decision to suspend visitation temporarily,
    after a plenary hearing, was not supported by clear and convincing evidence.
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    She also argues that the order prevented Lara from seeing Nina for an extended
    period of time, and harmed their relationship.
    Two months after the court's fact-finding hearing, Nina's therapist, Dr.
    Lana Farina, advised the Law Guardian that Nina was diagnosed with post-
    traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Nina had expressed to her therapist several
    times "that she does not want to visit her mother because she says bad things
    and she feels frightened when thinking about her past alleged threats." Dr.
    Farina reported that Nina said "her mother made threats to harm her father's
    girlfriend during visits while she accompanied her to the bathroom."           The
    therapist reported a relapse in Nina's PTSD symptoms since allegations were
    made regarding inappropriate touching of Nina by Lara. Lisa had reported to
    the Division that Nina had told her "at the time she lived with her parents, [Lara]
    played with her touching her private parts." Although a medical examination
    found no physical corroboration, the judge required that Lara's visitation occur
    at the Division's office and be supervised.
    Sueli Petry, Ph.D., supervised the visits. Dr. Petry reported that, "[Nina]
    seemed to enjoy play therapy sessions with her mother, and therapist is working
    on establishing rapport with the child as we have only completed two sessions."
    She recommended the joint sessions continue. However, Dr. Farina continued
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    to express concerns to the Division, stating "[Nina] continues to verbalize
    resistance to attending visits," and that after a recent session with Dr. Petry, Nina
    had an emotional outburst and said she had bad memories of the times Lara had
    hit her. Dr. Farina recommended that the visits stop.
    In May 2013, the judge temporarily suspended visitation after an emergent
    hearing, and thereafter conducted a plenary hearing at which both mental health
    professionals testified.   Dr. Farina asserted that earlier that year, she was
    prepared to transition Nina out of individual therapy, but Nina "began to
    demonstrate more PTSD symptoms again" after the sexual abuse allegations
    surfaced. Dr. Farina recommended that visits be suspended, without saying
    when it would be safe to resume them.
    Dr. Petry testified that, as Lara's individual therapist, she prepared Lara
    for her sessions with Nina, with the goal of reunification. She said the first
    therapeutic session with Lara and Nina was "a little awkward at first" but that
    by the end, "[Nina] seemed to be getting more comfortable." Nina did not appear
    fearful of Lara; Lara was appropriate with Nina; they played together; and the
    sessions were uneventful. She opined that the visits should continue, but that if
    they did, she would want to coordinate with Dr. Farina to see if Nina was having
    a bad time outside of her purview.        The judge admitted case records into
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    evidence, but sustained the Law Guardian's objection to the admission of records
    before February 2013. The Law Guardian argued they were irrelevant as they
    preceded the reports of sexual abuse.
    In her decision, the judge found that both professionals testified credibly,
    but Dr. Farina's insights about the impact of the visitation on Nina were more
    persuasive, as she had been Nina's one-on-one therapist for seven months; and
    Nina was likely more candid with her, than with Dr. Petry, who had seen Nina
    only twice, and with her mother present. The judge noted that Nina, who was
    then seven years old, did not want to visit with her mother. The court credited
    Dr. Farina's view that the visitation at that time was not in Nina's best interest,
    and was causing her emotional distress.         The judge found by clear and
    convincing evidence that the visitation should be suspended; and Nina should
    continue in therapy.
    The court applied the appropriate standard of proof. "The denial of
    visitation rights is such an extraordinary proscription that it should be invoked
    only in those exceptional cases where it clearly and convincingly appears that
    the granting of visitation will cause physical or emotional harm to the
    children. . . ." V.C. v. M.J.B., 
    163 N.J. 200
    , 229 (2000) (stating that interference
    with visitation rights is an extraordinary step that requires clear and convincing
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    evidence). The court also grounded its decision on sufficient credible evidence.
    The court did not abuse its broad discretion under N.J.R.E. 403 in deciding to
    exclude records of positive interactions that preceded the resurfacing of PTSD
    symptoms in February 2013. See Green v. N.J. Mfrs. Ins. Co., 
    160 N.J. 480
    ,
    492 (1999) (stating that "[d]eterminations pursuant to N.J.R.E. 403 should not
    be overturned on appeal 'unless it can be shown that the trial court palpably
    abused its discretion, that is, that its finding was so wide off the mark that a
    manifest denial of justice resulted'") (quoting State v. Carter, 
    91 N.J. 86
    , 106
    (1982)).
    Lara argues that the court gave insufficient weight to the possibility that
    Fred was influencing his daughter's wishes. However, the court acknowledged
    but discounted those allegations, noting that Nina was making progress until
    February 2013 despite any alleged interference by Fred. Lara also contends that
    Dr. Farina's opinion was flawed, because she based it on a diagnosis of PTSD
    that was triggered by unproved allegations of sexual abuse. However, Dr. Farina
    testified only that Nina was re-experiencing PTSD symptoms because she was
    fearful of past abuse, and expressed fear that Lara would hurt her or Lisa
    physically, not sexually. The court did not expressly give special weight to the
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    allegations, which at that point had not been fully investigated. In sum, we
    affirm the court's June 2013 order suspending visitation.
    III. The Order Terminating Litigation and
    Temporarily Suspending Visitation
    A.
    Defendant argues the June 30, 2016, order terminating litigation while
    temporarily suspending Lara's visitation was not authorized by law or supported
    by clear and convincing evidence. Defendant also challenges, as a procedural
    error, the family court's decision to interview Nina in camera about whether she
    wanted visitation to resume. Defendant asserts the interview occurred without
    notifying Lara.
    In the months after the suspension, Nina met with a new mental health
    professional, who recommended against Nina resuming visitation with her
    mother. Instead, Lara could, "at some point," be introduced into Nina's trauma
    therapy to heal and facilitate a healthy bond. In November 2013, Dr. Petry
    recommended resumption of therapeutic visitation, opining that Nina's recent
    behavioral problems were related to learning or neurological problems, not past
    trauma.
    In the meantime, the Division reported that Fred and Lara had completed
    or been compliant with all services. The Division proposed in December 2013
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    that the court conduct a dispositional hearing, with the aim of terminating the
    Title 9 litigation, which Lara's attorney opposed, noting that therapeutic
    visitation with Nina and Lara had not resumed.
    The court conducted dispositional hearings over eight days between May
    2014 and August 2015. At the close of the hearings, the Law Guardian and the
    Division favored termination of the Title 9 case, and Lara did not. Lara also
    sought resumption of visitation, which the Law Guardian favored only when
    Nina's therapist thought it appropriate. Although the Division was previously
    aligned with the Law Guardian's position, it deferred to the court's judgment on
    visitation.
    On August 4, 2015, the court decided to resume therapeutic visitation.
    The judge acknowledged Nina's wishes, but stated that sometimes "children
    have to be prodded." The court expressed concern that prolonging the extended
    period of no contact could become "an effective termination" of parental rights.
    The court decided to keep the case open, so the Division could facilitate the
    therapeutic visitation.
    Therapeutic visitation began between Lara and Nina on September 8, 2015
    with a new therapist, and continued until February 2016. Nina was hesitant
    initially, but seemed more relaxed in the second session a week later. However,
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    her personal therapists reported that Nina's "initial feelings of fear and
    discomfort had not subsided after attending the two visits." Nina was worried
    Lara would hurt her, Fred, or Lisa, and stated she did not want to see her mother
    "ever again." Nina also reportedly had episodes of vomiting at school, related
    to stress and anxiety. In the third and fourth visits in late September and early
    October, Nina seemed uneasy at first, then willing to interact with Lara, but
    sometimes burst into yelling and confronted Lara about the past abuse. After a
    compliance review hearing on October 14, 2015, the court asked the visitation
    therapist to provide an opinion on whether the visits should continue.
    During an October 20, 2015 visit, Nina "showed resistance and feelings
    of distrust toward her mother" and when her mother was going to engage in play
    with her, Nina screamed, cried, and hit the therapist, and the visit ended early.
    After two sessions with Nina alone, at which she expressed her fear and distrust
    of her mother, the therapist opined that visitation could resume.
    At the visits on December 15, 22, and 29, 2015 and February 2 and 23,
    2016, the visitation therapist reported that "Nina . . . seems more comfortable
    and talkative" but she regressed when she did not attend consistently. 5 Nina
    5
    Apparently, there was no visitation on December 1 and 8 due to "no shows,"
    and there were also no visits in January, because the visitation therapist was out
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    "denied difficulties at school, [physical] complaints, and nightmares." The
    therapist emphasized the importance of visitation on a consistent basis, which
    the court ordered. Visits continued in March, April and May 2016. An early
    May report from the visitation therapist generally described the sessions in
    positive terms and recommended they continue. She wrote that progress was
    "remarkable," and "[Nina] showed significantly more interest, less resistance
    and more feelings of trust."
    Before the May 17, 2016 compliance hearing, the court granted the Law
    Guardian's request that Nina, then ten years old, be allowed to speak with the
    judge.    In the presence of the Law Guardian and an investigator, Nina
    volunteered at the outset, "I don't want to see [Lara] because she's disappointing
    to me." Nina complained that the visitation therapist forced her to play with her
    mother.   In response to the leading question whether she felt safe during
    visitation, Nina said she did not, even though the therapist was present. Nina
    admitted that her mother "acts nice, but I know that she's not – nice." Asked
    how her mom appeared in the visitation sessions, Nina provided a disjointed
    response: "[S]he was – whatever – because when daddy needs something, daddy
    of the office for two weeks, and there were scheduling conflicts for the other
    two.
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    goes – sometimes she acts mean and she's just - - ." The judge was able to elicit
    through leading questions that Nina, while in the company of her father and
    "step-mom," saw her mother outside therapy, and in the suggested words of the
    judge, looked at her "funny." She could not recall when it happened, but when
    the judge asked if it happened "last summer," Nina agreed.
    Regarding her father's involvement, she first denied that she talked to her
    dad about continuing visits with her mother. But when asked if her father knew
    how she felt, and what he had said, Nina answered, "He said it's okay – once
    when you're older, it's gonna be over." Asked if she discussed the visits with
    her personal therapist, Nina said, "I don't say nothing. I don't say nothing." The
    judge told Nina that she "actually thought we were doing pretty well with our
    visits, from the last reports. So I'm surprised by your feelings." Nina repeated,
    "I don't want to see her anymore."
    After Nina's interview, the court conducted a lengthy colloquy with
    counsel. Notably, Lara's counsel did not object to the child interview. The judge
    reported that during the interview, Nina was emotional when she stated she did
    not want to see her mother. The Law Guardian said he was surprised by Nina's
    position, in view of the visitation therapist's reports. The judge was troubled by
    the disparity between the visitation therapist's generally positive reports, and
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    Nina's opposition expressed to her therapist and now the court. Although the
    judge expressed her intention to continue visitation, she then accepted the Law
    Guardian's suggestion that the court suspend the therapeutic visitations until the
    end of the school year in June. The Law Guardian stated that the delay would
    allow the parties to test whether Nina's behavior at school was connected to
    visitation. The court agreed. "It's probably the better way to go – we'd probably
    learn more doing that, th[a]n we do the other way. . . . So there's a lot of benefit
    from at least temporarily suspending it – but not for too long."
    On June 30, 2016, the Division asked that the litigation be terminated, as
    Lara's services through the Division had been completed and there were no
    further concerns of abuse or neglect. Notably, the Division's report to the court
    recommended continuation of therapeutic visitation between mother and
    daughter.
    The Law Guardian reported that Fred, who opposed visitation, asserted
    that Nina's behavior improved since visits were suspended.           But the Law
    Guardian stated that the Law Guardian's investigator "got a somewhat different
    read" after interviewing the school nurse, teacher, guidance counselor and
    school social worker, that Nina "has continued to demonstrate certain behavior,
    albeit, I think they're lesser to a certain extent."      The behaviors included
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    "vomiting or disrupting the class, getting extremely upset . . . when she doesn't
    get what she wants . . . ." The June observations in a progress report from Nina's
    school, related to her individualized education plan, did not vary from those in
    April, when therapeutic visitation was ongoing. Nina reportedly continued to
    say she did not want to not see Lara.
    Lara's counsel objected to the termination if there was no provision for
    active visitation in place; and contended that clear and convincing evidence was
    required to suspend visitation permanently.
    The judge ordered the litigation terminated, because services were
    completed and there were no longer issues of abuse or neglect. The judge left
    the therapeutic visitation in place, albeit temporarily suspended, with
    instructions for "the therapist to revisit the ability to get back into therapeutic
    visitation" on a monthly basis. The judge directed that Lara and Fred could file
    under the FM docket for any changes in the visitation they desired. 6
    6
    After a limited remand, the trial court clarified its June 30, 2016 order to
    provide that legal custody remained shared between Fred and Lara; and Nina's
    therapist was to report to Lara monthly on the propriety of resuming visitation.
    Those reports are not before us.
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    B.
    Lara contends the court did not comply with the rule and statute governing
    child interviews. She also contends that the court erred in suspending visitation,
    without finding, by clear and convincing evidence after a plenary hearing, that
    it was necessary to protect the child. She also contends the court erred in
    terminating the Title 9 litigation.
    With respect to the child interview, Lara contends the court failed to
    provide her counsel with notice of the interview, and the opportunity to submit
    questions, as required by Rule 5:8-6. She also contends the court failed to
    adhere to the procedures outlined in N.J.S.A. 2A:84A-32.4, specifically that
    "there is a substantial likelihood . . . [Nina] would suffer severe emotional or
    mental distress if required to testify" in open court.
    In New Jersey Division of Child Protection & Permanency v. C.W., 
    435 N.J. Super. 130
    , 135 (App. Div. 2014), we held that in a protective services
    action, "when a defendant objects to utilizing an alternative to the child's in -
    court testimony, the judge must adhere to the statutory procedures outlined in
    N.J.S.A. 2A:84A-32.4, prior to allowing in camera testimony of a child witness."
    Furthermore, a judge must determine that the child-witness is competent and
    understands the need to tell the truth. Id. at 144.
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    We are mindful that Lara's counsel did not object.          Although Lara
    contends there is no record that her counsel had advance notice of the interview,
    or an opportunity to submit questions, the judge may have proceeded the way
    she did with the parties' consent.          However, we held in C.W. that
    notwithstanding "apparent acceptance of the process," the Division was obliged
    to show that the defendant "was given a sufficient opportunity to confront the
    Division's evidence in light of the interview procedures followed by the judge."
    Id. at 145. "The analysis is twofold: was [the defendant] prejudiced by the
    procedure utilized, and did the Division's other evidence satisfy its burden of
    proof." Ibid. We reject the Division's contention that C.W. applies only to the
    fact-finding hearing. The C.W. court rested its conclusion on the due process
    right to a "measure of confrontation" in civil cases. Ibid. (quoting A.B. v. Y.Z.,
    
    184 N.J. 599
    , 605 (2005)). This right is as important in a dispositional hearing,
    as it is in a fact-finding hearing.
    In the light of the hearing that followed Nina's interview, we are convinced
    that Lara was prejudiced by the procedure, and the other evidence did not satisfy
    the Division's burden of proof.        A child's preferences should not be
    determinative, particularly given the possibility of parental influence. Wilke v.
    Culp, 
    196 N.J. Super. 487
    , 498 (App. Div. 1984). The court heard no other
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    testimony at the May 17, 2016 hearing. The reports from Nina's school and
    therapist did not express an opinion that visitation should be suspended. Aside
    from conveying Nina's opposition to visitation, the child interview was
    uninformative. The court elicited few details regarding Nina's experience in the
    visitation sessions; how her mother acted and what she said; and how Nina
    responded. Nina gave disjointed answers to some questions, and was prodded
    by leading questions that produced answers of questionable reliability. Nina did
    not clearly explain why visitation was so distasteful or upsetting.           Her
    explanation that her mother was "disappointing" was unclear. She also did not
    coherently or consistently discuss any influence exerted by her father.
    "Not only do parents have a constitutional right to enjoy a relationship
    with their children, children likewise have the right to visit with their parents
    after they have been removed from the parent's home." S.M. v. K.M., 
    433 N.J. Super. 552
    , 558 (App. Div. 2013) (internal citations omitted). This remains true
    "even if the child[] verbalize[s] a desire not to see the parent." 
    Ibid.
     Before
    suspending visitation, the court was required to find, by clear and convincing
    evidence, that suspension was necessary to shield Nina from harm. See V.C.,
    
    163 N.J. at 229
    ; see also Wilke, 
    196 N.J. Super. at 503
     (holding that a "father's
    visitation rights should not have been denied unless it clearly and convincingly
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    appeared that this was one of those exceptional cases where visitation would
    have caused physical or emotional harm to the children, or where it was
    demonstrated that the noncustodial parent was unfit").
    The court made no such finding. Indeed, the court's colloquy with counsel
    reflects that the evidence was far from clear and convincing. The judge was
    about to continue visitation, until the Law Guardian proposed a temporary
    cessation until the end of the school year.
    In New Jersey Division of Youth & Family Services v. G.M., 
    198 N.J. 382
    (2008), the Supreme Court criticized the informality of dispositional hearings
    that followed a fact-finding hearing.        The court cited "the lack of sworn
    witnesses, the failure to introduce documentary evidence, [and] the failure to
    call expert witnesses." Id. at 402. The same critique applies here. The court
    identified, but did not resolve, the critical factual issue presented by the positive
    report of the visitation therapist, and reports of Nina's individual therapist.
    Despite indications of possible interference by Fred, that issue was not pursued.
    These factual issues could only be properly resolved at a plenary hearing, at
    which the therapists, among others, could testify.
    The court's decision to continue the suspension of visitation, when it
    terminated the Title 9 litigation a month and a half later, suffered from the same
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    shortcoming. After the end of the school year, the court relied on the hearsay
    report of the Law Guardian and the Law Guardian's investigator regarding
    Nina's behavior during the suspension of visitation.           The investigator's
    interviews disclosed that Nina's misbehavior continued, despite the suspension
    of visitation. The IEP report did not paint a different picture. In sum, the
    evidence fell short of clear and convincing that the suspension had a significant,
    positive influence on Nina's behavior.
    Therefore, we are constrained to reverse the trial court's June 30, 2016
    order. The error is not the court's decision to terminate Title 9 litigation at the
    end of a dispositional hearing. The error is the failure to make an appropriate
    finding, based on clear and convincing evidence, after a plenary hearing, that an
    indefinite suspension of Lara's visitation was necessary to shield Nina from
    harm.
    Affirmed as to the orders of January 8 and June 3, 2013. The order of
    June 30, 2016 indefinitely suspending visitation and terminating the Title 9
    litigation is reversed. The matter is reopened for the purpose of conducting a
    plenary hearing on the matter of visitation, and, thereafter, entry of an
    appropriate order on visitation, in conjunction with termination of the Title 9
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    litigation. The court shall conduct a case management conference within th irty
    days. We do not retain jurisdiction.
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