STATE OF NEW JERSEY VS. TERREL MANN(08-09-0837, 11-04-0359 AND 12-03-0271, MERCER COUNTY AND STATEWIDE) ( 2017 )


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    SUPERIOR COURT OF NEW JERSEY
    APPELLATE DIVISION
    DOCKET NO. A-4091-14T3
    STATE OF NEW JERSEY,
    Plaintiff-Respondent,
    v.
    TERREL MANN a/k/a TERRELL
    MANN and TYRELL MANN,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ________________________________
    Argued May 8, 2017 – Decided          May 26, 2017
    Before Judges Sabatino and Haas.
    On appeal from Superior Court of New Jersey,
    Law Division, Mercer County, Indictment Nos.
    08-09-0837, 11-04-0359 and 12-03-0271.
    Margaret McLane, Assistant Deputy Public
    Defender, argued the cause for appellant
    (Joseph E. Krakora, Public Defender, attorney;
    Ms. McLane, of counsel and on the briefs).
    Timothy F. Trainor, Assistant Prosecutor,
    argued the cause for respondent (Angelo J.
    Onofri, Mercer County Prosecutor, attorney;
    Mr. Trainor, of counsel and on the brief).
    PER CURIAM
    Defendant    Terrel    Mann,   who   pled    guilty   to   second-degree
    unlawful possession of a weapon, N.J.S.A. 2C:39-5(b), appeals the
    trial court's denial of his motion to suppress incriminating
    statements      he   provided     to    police    after    witnessing       the     fatal
    shooting of his brother by third parties.                  We affirm.
    I.
    The    record     from    the     trial    court's        suppression    hearing
    presents the following salient chronology of events.
    A.
    On June 16, 2011, defendant's brother was shot in the neck
    by an unidentified group of assailants in the backyard of a
    residence in Trenton.          Defendant was present at the scene and saw
    his   brother    fall    to    the     ground    after    the    gunshots     hit      him.
    Defendant removed his shirt to apply pressure to his brother's
    gunshot     wound,    and     dragged    his    brother    to    the   front      of    the
    residence.      The brother ultimately died from the gunshot wounds.
    Several Trenton police officers arrived at the scene at about
    1:30 p.m. The first to arrive was Officer Tara Dzurkoc. According
    to Officer Dzurkoc's testimony at the suppression hearing, when
    she arrived, she saw "a black male laying on the ground face up
    and a woman . . . holding a bloody white t-shirt to his neck."
    The victim was in front of a home on that street, "on the sidewalk
    area[.]"      Dzurkoc recalled that there were "a ton of people"
    gathered around the scene.
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    Dzurkoc testified that, while waiting for an ambulance, she
    noticed defendant in the crowd.              Defendant "stood out" to her
    because "he had no shirt on, he had gray shorts on, and he was
    covered in blood."
    Dzurkoc    further   testified       that   defendant,     who   was   "very
    upset," said, "I saw who did it, and they're going to get it."
    She   observed   that   defendant   was      "pacing      in   the   street"    and
    "cursing."      Dzurkoc testified that she "attempted" to calm him
    down, but defendant was "just kind of blowing [her] off[.]"
    Defendant did not ask for medical treatment, nor did anyone meet
    with him "to determine if he was in shock[.]"
    According to Dzurkoc, she asked defendant to "stay to the
    side" so she could "keep an eye on him because a detective would
    want to talk to him."       Dzurkoc did not stay with defendant.                Nor
    was defendant put in handcuffs or placed under arrest.
    Dzurkoc testified that, at that point, she "felt bad for him
    and he was just a witness."                She "didn't tell him to stay
    specifically or to leave."      According to Dzurkoc, defendant could
    have left "if he wanted to[,]" and he was "detained by him just
    standing where I knew he was until a detective came."
    Once   another    detective   arrived,       that   detective     spoke    to
    defendant and transported him to the police station in a police
    vehicle.     Defendant sat without handcuffs in the backseat of the
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    vehicle with his girlfriend, Deanna Mott, whom he wanted to come
    with him to the station.   Dzurkoc testified that such a situation
    is "[d]efinitely not" how police customarily transport someone
    "under arrest or in custody[.]"       In such instances, the suspect
    normally would be handcuffed and searched.
    Another Trenton Police Officer, Yusaf Addar, testified that,
    when he arrived at the scene, a detective called him over and told
    him that there was "a witness that needed to be transported to
    [police] headquarters."    Addar recalled that defendant and his
    girlfriend were already in the police vehicle, so Addar drove them
    to the station.    According to Addar, both defendant and his
    girlfriend were "a little agitated" because "they wanted to know
    what was going on with the victim at the time."        Defendant was
    not, however, "yelling or screaming or acting out like he was
    being violent."
    Addar testified that defendant did not ask at any time to get
    out of the car, nor was he handcuffed.    Mott also had her cellphone
    with her while in the vehicle.    According to Addar, the trip from
    the scene to the station took "[m]aybe two minutes if that."
    When they arrived at the station, Addar took defendant and
    Mott "through the back entrance where police officers enter" and
    into what is known as the robbery section of the station, an area
    where police only bring "witnesses or suspects."        Addar waited
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    with them for ten or twenty minutes, because "the area they were
    in they're really not supposed to be back there by themselves
    unless they're in the company of a detective or an officer." Addar
    testified that while they waited, Mott used her cell phone "a
    lot."
    Addar later collected and photographed defendant's clothing,
    which he did by bringing defendant into an interview room "for
    privacy[,]" although the door remained open.            Addar collected
    defendant's pants and sneakers, and gave him a "paper suit" to
    wear. Defendant was "really calm and really cooperative throughout
    the whole process[,]" and according to Addar, was treated "like a
    witness" during their interactions.
    James Francis, a Trenton Detective Sergeant, also testified
    on behalf of the State.         Francis had previously worked in the
    homicide unit, and he responded to the shooting scene.        Detective
    Edgar Rios was assigned to work on the investigation with Francis.1
    While searching the area, Francis located the "primary crime
    scene[,]" at which he found the victim's clothes and "numerous
    shell casings[.]"
    According to Francis, after searching the crime scene, he
    returned   to   the   station   to   interview   witnesses.   He     first
    1
    Rios was injured while on duty in 2013, and did not testify at
    the hearing.
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    interviewed Mott at Rios's desk, located "in the rear of the
    homicide office, right at the window."   While Francis interviewed
    Mott, defendant was left in the "waiting area" with no "police
    guard."
    Francis testified that the conversation with Mott was "very
    low key[,]" as he and Rios "tried to ascertain any information
    that she had regarding the incident."    The interview took about
    an hour. Mott did not give a formal statement at the time, because
    she had to leave due to "childcare issues[.]" She returned another
    day and gave a formal statement.
    Francis recounted that he and Rios drove Mott home after her
    interview, prior to interviewing defendant.     After taking Mott
    home, Francis and Rios "reexamined the crime scene[,]" which was
    "two or three row homes away" from Mott's home. That took "[u]nder
    half an hour."   According to Francis, they were gone for no more
    than one hour, because the crime scene was located approximately
    five minutes by car from the police station.
    Upon returning to the station, Francis and Rios interviewed
    defendant at the same location they had questioned Mott.   Francis
    testified that, generally, if a person is considered a suspect or
    in custody, he or she is interviewed in "one of three video
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    interview rooms."     Francis did not read defendant his Miranda2
    rights prior to that interview, because the police "don't Mirandize
    witnesses."   At that time, Francis and Rios did not have "any
    idea" that defendant was potentially more than a witness.
    Francis explained that it was "normal" for detectives to take
    evidence from witnesses, such as defendant's clothing in this
    case.   Francis gave defendant "a light jacket that was hanging up
    in the homicide conference room" to wear over the paper suit,
    because "[t]he air conditioner was on, [and] it was pretty cold."
    According   to   Francis,   defendant   told   them   during   the
    interview that, prior to the shooting, he ran into a person with
    whom he had gotten into a fight earlier in the week.        When they
    ran into one another, they got into another fight, which Mott
    eventually broke up.     Francis further testified that defendant
    stated that, as he and his group started walking away, the other
    group "started running towards them" so he and Mott went inside
    her house.    Defendant then called his brother, who came to the
    area with his cousin.     The three men then "went walking around
    looking for the guys" that defendant had been fighting earlier.
    They did not find the group, and as they were walking back towards
    2
    Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    , 
    86 S. Ct. 1602
    , 
    16 L. Ed. 2d 694
     (1966).
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    Mott's house, defendant heard "multiple gunshots coming from the
    alleyway" where his brother was walking.
    Francis testified that defendant stated he then ran down the
    alley and saw his brother "on the ground firing at a group of men"
    in the alley.      Defendant then "grabbed the gun and started firing
    at the same boys."       Defendant could see that his brother was shot
    in the neck at the time.
    As recounted by Francis, defendant then told the detectives
    that, once the other group ran away, defendant "drag[ged]" his
    brother out of the alley to the front of the house.                     Francis did
    not believe defendant's account, because "it just didn't make
    sense   that     his   brother    could       still    be   returning    fire    with
    conceivably a life-threatening injury to his neck where blood was
    gushing out."     Francis also did not believe that defendant "called
    his brother out to basically help him with a fight and then he
    lets him walk down an alleyway . . . by himself without backing
    him up or assisting him in any way."
    Francis told defendant that his "story" was "not really adding
    up to the physical evidence[.]"               According to Francis, defendant
    then "displayed like a little bit of defeat[,] maybe with his
    shoulder slouching and said okay I was – I was firing the gun."
    At that point, and after consulting with an assistant prosecutor,
    Francis   read    defendant      his   Miranda        rights   before   asking   any
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    additional questions.       Francis testified that defendant did not
    make "any indication" that he wanted a lawyer or wanted to stop
    the conversation.
    Francis and Rios then took defendant to an interview room,
    and began recording the interview.              Defendant was not handcuffed
    at that point.
    According to the transcript of that interview, Rios read
    defendant his Miranda rights, and then had defendant read them
    back   before    signing.    At    one       point,   Rios   defined   the   term
    "coercion"      for   defendant,   and       then     ensured   that   defendant
    understood its meaning by having defendant explain it back to the
    detectives.
    After waiving his Miranda rights, defendant relayed to the
    detectives how the incident began with a fight between him and a
    member of the other group.         Defendant stated in that interview
    that he called his brother for help, who showed up thereafter.
    According to defendant, his brother gave him a gun to "hold" prior
    to confronting the other group.              Defendant then explained to the
    detectives how the altercation between the two groups ended with
    gunshots.
    B.
    Mott, defendant's girlfriend, testified on his behalf at the
    suppression hearing. As she described it, once the police arrived,
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    they put defendant in the police vehicle.    Mott went over to the
    vehicle to "try[] to calm him down and figure out why he was being
    put in the police car."    According to Mott, the police asked her
    to get in the car with defendant to "calm him down[.]"
    Mott testified that one police officer then told another to
    "take [them] down to the police station."   Mott further testified
    that defendant said "he didn't want to go, but the cop said to him
    that they probably just want to talk to him when he get[s] down
    there."   Mott asserted on cross-examination that she did not have
    her phone with her when they went to the station.
    According to Mott, the police took defendant into a different
    room when they arrived at the station.   Mott testified that, from
    where she was sitting, she could hear the police "yelling at
    [defendant] telling him that his story was bull[.]"      Mott also
    testified that defendant "tried to talk to [her] through the door
    and the cops removed [her] from right there" because she "couldn't
    talk to him[.]"   Defendant allegedly "asked to leave to go" to the
    hospital as well.   Mott further asserted on cross-examination that
    the police "told [defendant] that he couldn't leave until the gun
    appeared."
    Mott testified that Officer Rios later came to her and told
    her she "was lying to him about who had the gun."     According to
    Mott, however, she had not previously spoken to the police, so she
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    was "confused" by that assertion.     Mott further testified that she
    did not leave the station that day until "almost ten o'clock that
    night."
    Lastly, defendant testified on his own behalf at the hearing.
    He asserted that he could not remember his initial conversation
    with the police at the scene of the shooting, because he was
    "stressed out and in shock[.]"   According to defendant, he was "in
    the stage of blacking out" when an officer told him "to get in the
    car until you calm down."   Defendant allegedly told them "no, I
    don't want to get in the car[,]" at which point the officers "put
    [him] in the car and from there [he] was still crying, yelling."
    Defendant testified that, once he was taken to the station,
    he did not feel free to leave.      However, he acknowledged that he
    did not ask to leave.
    Defendant further testified that, while being questioned, the
    officers told him that his story was "bullshit."     He claimed that
    he felt "threatened" at that point, because the officers allegedly
    told him that if he did not tell them the "right story" about what
    happened, they would charge him with his brother's murder, should
    he die from his injuries.    According to defendant, he told the
    police at that point that he had "told [his brother] to pass [him]
    the gun and [he] gave it to somebody and they took it and ran off
    with it."
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    Defendant claimed that he was promised during his second
    interview with the officers that, if he gave them the gun, "they
    were going to let [him] go."     According to defendant, he only gave
    the videotaped statement because he believed that "if [he] just
    gave them that statement, that would get [him] out of the police
    station quicker."
    Defendant also testified that he did not understand the
    Miranda form that he signed, and he only signed it because he was
    "tired" and "exhausted."    He further asserted that he asked for a
    lawyer "[a]t one point in time[,]" but could not remember when.
    Defendant's grandmother allegedly came down to the station at some
    point, although it is unclear if she arrived before or after
    defendant was given Miranda warnings, but the police allegedly
    "wouldn't let her up" to see him.
    Defendant   admitted   on     cross-examination   that    he    had
    previously been arrested "several" times, and had been Mirandized
    on more than two prior occasions.      One of those occasions occurred
    in December 2009, and a copy of the Miranda form used in that
    matter was admitted into evidence at this hearing.            Defendant
    testified that, although the signature on that form from 2009 was
    his, he did not remember signing it.
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    C.
    Apart from these fact witnesses, defendant and the State each
    presented competing expert testimony concerning the voluntariness
    of defendant's statements when he was interviewed at the police
    station.      Defendant's     expert,    Dr.    Kenneth        Weiss,     a   forensic
    psychiatrist,    noted   that    defendant's        measured        IQ    scores     are
    indicative of "borderline intellectual functioning[,]" although
    perhaps not severe enough to support a diagnosis of "intellectual
    disability."    Dr. Weiss observed that, during his interview with
    defendant he "did not express himself clearly at all times[.]"                         He
    also displayed "difficulty understanding" some of Dr. Weiss's
    questions,    although   he     did    ask   for    clarification          when     that
    occurred.    Having reviewed the videotape of defendant's recorded
    police   interview,    Dr.    Weiss    concluded        that   defendant       "lacked
    cognitive ability" at that time, and "would not fully understand"
    what his rights were or how to exercise them.                       Dr. Weiss thus
    opined that defendant's waiver of his self-incrimination privilege
    was neither knowing nor intelligent.
    By contrast, the State's forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Charles
    Martinson, had more favorable impressions of defendant's cognitive
    abilities.      Dr.   Martinson       classified        defendant    as       "probably
    somewhat     below    average    in     terms      of     overall        intellectual
    functioning."    Having likewise reviewed the interview videotape,
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    Dr. Martinson noted that defendant presented himself in a "calm
    and   composed    fashion,"      and    did    not    appear    so   "emotionally
    overwrought" as to be unable to knowingly and intelligently waive
    his rights.   Dr. Martinson found it significant that defendant had
    prior criminal encounters, including at least one prior experience
    being Mirandized by police.              That prior experience, in which
    defendant had likewise been questioned after waiving his rights,
    bolstered the State's expert's conclusion that defendant's waiver
    in the present case was knowing and intelligent.
    As additional proof on the voluntariness question, the State
    lastly presented testimony from a Pennsylvania police officer who
    had Mirandized defendant in one of his prior cases.                  The officer
    testified   that,    when   he    read       defendant    his   Miranda   rights,
    defendant seemed to understand, was paying attention, and was not
    upset.   According to that officer, defendant was handcuffed during
    that particular waiver discussion and the subsequent interview.
    D.
    The trial judge, Hon. Andrew J. Smithson, issued a detailed
    oral decision on the motion to suppress on September 29, 2014. In
    the course of his ruling, Judge Smithson made several important
    credibility      assessments.          He     found   Mott's    testimony     "not
    convincing" and "not of any consequence."                The judge specifically
    found that defendant's testimony was not credible, as his conduct
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    showed he was "capable of thinking and acting."       The judge noted
    that, although defendant claimed he blacked out, he was still able
    to convince the police to allow Mott to accompany him to the
    station.    The judge also noted that Mott was allowed to ride with
    defendant in the vehicle, which would be "very unusual if one were
    considered to be a suspect."
    Based on the overall circumstances, Judge Smithson found that
    defendant was "a critical witness to what was going on, and he was
    treated that way."    The judge noted that it was "not surprising"
    that "defendant would understand that the police wanted to talk
    to him, and there would be inconveniences involved[,]" because
    defendant was at the scene and likely had information about the
    shooting.     As Officer Dzurkoc had testified, defendant told the
    police that he knew who shot his brother, so "[o]f course the
    police are going to talk to him[.]"
    Judge Smithson concluded that defendant was not coerced by
    the police in any way.      He did note that the police "may have
    allowed [defendant] to . . . harbor the belief that production of
    the handgun would be his key out of police headquarters."            The
    judge found it significant that defendant had been Mirandized
    previously, "where he made understandable choices."      On the whole,
    the   judge   found   defendant's    suppression   testimony   "utterly
    unconvincing[.]"
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    The    judge   also       evaluated       the    opinions    of   the     parties'
    competing experts, finding the testimony of Dr. Martinson to be
    more persuasive.          The judge stated that he "could not disagree
    more" with Dr. Weiss's overall conclusion that defendant did not
    waive his rights knowingly and intelligently.                     The judge instead
    favored Dr. Martinson's contrary findings.
    In sum, the trial judge determined that defendant had the
    status of a witness, not a suspect, when he was first questioned
    by the police and was not at that point subjected to custodial
    interrogation.       The       judge    further      concluded    that   defendant's
    subsequent    waiver      of    his    rights,       after   being     given    Miranda
    warnings, was knowing, intelligent, and voluntary.                     Consequently,
    the suppression motion was denied.
    E.
    Following      the    court's      ruling,       defendant      entered    into    a
    negotiated plea of guilty to second-degree unlawful possession of
    a weapon.    As part of the plea agreement, the State dismissed the
    other count of the indictment, and agreed to recommend a five-year
    sentence, with a one-year parole ineligibility period, contingent
    on a Graves Act waiver.                The Presiding Criminal Judge of the
    vicinage subsequently granted that waiver.
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    On February 20, 2015, Judge Smithson sentenced defendant to
    the five-year term with a one-year parole disqualifier, consistent
    with the plea agreement.   This appeal followed.
    II.
    On appeal, defendant raises the following arguments for our
    consideration:
    POINT I
    BECAUSE TERRELL'S STATEMENTS WERE MADE DURING
    CUSTODIAL INTERROGATION AND WITHOUT A VALID
    WAIVER OF HIS RIGHT AGAINST SELF-INCRIMINATION
    THEY MUST BE SUPPRESSED.
    A.   Pre-Miranda Statements.
    B.   Post-Miranda Statements.
    REPLY POINT I
    TERRELL WAS IN CUSTODY BECAUSE THE POLICE TOOK
    HIS CLOTHES AND HIS SHOES.     HIS SUBSEQUENT
    STATEMENTS WERE MADE WITHOUT A VALID WAIVER
    OF HIS RIGHT AGAINST SELF-INCRIMINATION AND
    MUST BE SUPPRESSED.
    Having fully considered these arguments in light of the
    record, the trial court's credibility findings, and the applicable
    law, we affirm the denial of defendant's suppression motion.      We
    do so substantially for the thoughtful reasons expressed in Judge
    Smithson's detailed oral opinion.    We amplify his decision with
    several comments.
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    We must review     a trial court's factual findings at the
    suppression hearing on defendant's self-incrimination claims under
    "a deferential standard."      State v. Stas, 
    212 N.J. 37
    , 48 (2012).
    Our appellate function, on such matters, is simply to consider
    "whether the findings made could reasonably have been reached on
    sufficient credible evidence present in the record."                   State v.
    Locurto, 
    157 N.J. 463
    , 471 (1999) (quoting State v. Johnson, 
    42 N.J. 146
    , 162 (1964)).    We owe "deference to those findings of the
    trial judge which are substantially influenced by his opportunity
    to hear and see the witnesses and to have the 'feel' of the case,
    which a reviewing court cannot enjoy."           Johnson, 
    supra,
     
    42 N.J. at 161
    ; see also Stas, supra, 212 N.J. at 49.                  By comparison,
    "with respect to legal determinations or conclusions reached on
    the basis of the facts[,]" our review is plenary.               Ibid. (citing
    State v. Handy, 
    206 N.J. 39
    , 45 (2011)).
    Applying those standards of review here, we are satisfied
    that the trial court's credibility and other factual findings from
    the   suppression    hearing   are   well-founded      and    should     not    be
    disturbed.     In particular, we uphold the court's forcefully-
    expressed determination that defendant, his girlfriend, and his
    psychiatric    expert   were     less     convincing    than     the     State's
    witnesses.    That determination is buttressed by the videotape of
    the   post-Miranda   interview    of      defendant,   in    which     defendant
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    appears to respond voluntarily and lucidly to the officers' queries
    with no manifest indications of coercion.
    We reject the State's argument that the officers' initial
    questioning of defendant at the police station before the Miranda
    warnings were given should be treated as a custodial interrogation
    requiring   Miranda    warnings.        Viewing   the   "totality    of
    circumstances[,]" see State v. Presha, 
    163 N.J. 304
    , 313 (2000),
    we agree with the trial court's assessment that defendant had the
    status of a witness, rather than a criminal suspect, when he was
    initially interviewed by the police.
    As a general proposition, police officers do not necessarily
    place someone in custody simply by asking that person to accompany
    them to a police station.    See, e.g., State v. Marshall, 
    148 N.J. 89
    , 225-26, cert. denied, 
    522 U.S. 850
    , 
    118 S. Ct. 140
    , 
    139 L. Ed. 2d 88
     (1997); State v. Purnell, 
    310 N.J. Super. 407
    , 421-22 (App.
    Div. 1998) (determining that the defendant was not in custody
    after police took him to a police station), rev'd on other grounds,
    
    161 N.J. 44
     (1999).     Similarly, "[i]f the questioning is simply
    part of an investigation and is not targeted at the individual
    because she or he is a suspect, the rights provided by Miranda are
    not implicated."      State v. Timmendequas, 
    161 N.J. 515
    , 614-15
    (1999) (citing State v. Pierson, 
    223 N.J. Super. 62
    , 67 (App. Div.
    1998)).
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    Defendant likens the circumstances in this case to those in
    State v. Hubbard, 
    222 N.J. 249
     (2015), and State v. Messino, 
    378 N.J. Super. 559
     (App. Div.), certif. denied, 
    185 N.J. 297
     (2005).
    We find neither of those cases factually on point here.              We
    acknowledge that in both Hubbard, supra, 222 N.J. at 271, and
    Messino, 
    supra,
     
    378 N.J. Super. at 573
    , as in this case, the
    defendant was brought to a police station after a victim was killed
    or severely harmed. However, in Hubbard, the detective's questions
    "roamed far from merely obtaining information that might assist
    [in] the [victim's] treatment."   Hubbard, supra, 222 N.J. at 271.
    Moreover, the substance and nature of the interview in Hubbard
    were suggestive of a custodial interrogation.   Id. at 272.
    By contrast, there is ample support in the record for the
    trial court's finding that the nature and tenor of the officers'
    initial interview of defendant was consistent with treating him
    as a witness to his brother's shooting, rather than a targeted
    suspect.   Defendant declared at the shooting scene that he knew
    who was responsible for the shots.       He voluntarily came with
    officers to the police station, accompanied in the same squad car
    by his girlfriend, who was also a potential eyewitness.       He was
    not handcuffed at any time.   He was not placed in an interrogation
    room at the station.
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    The substance of the initial interview, fairly construed, was
    focused upon obtaining relevant information from defendant, who
    was a first-hand eyewitness and therefore a person who could assist
    in gathering the pertinent facts.       When defendant revealed for the
    first time that he had held a gun and fired shots from it at the
    scene after his brother was harmed, the police appropriately
    terminated    the   session,   issued   Miranda   warnings,    and     moved
    defendant into an interrogation room.
    Likewise, there are significant differences here from the
    circumstances in Messino, in which a defendant made incriminating
    statements at a police station after his girlfriend's child had
    died of apparent blunt force trauma.      We concluded in Messino that
    the questioning in that case amounted to a custodial interrogation.
    Supra, 
    378 N.J. Super. at 576-77
    .       As a key part of our analysis,
    we focused on the fact that the police station was eighteen to
    twenty miles from the defendant's home, and that there was "no
    practical way for [him] to leave the building[.]"             
    Id. at 576
    .
    Here, by comparison, the station was located only a few minutes
    by car from defendant's girlfriend's house.         There were several
    people at his girlfriend's house earlier that day who might have
    been able to assist him.         Moreover, according to defendant's
    version of the events, his grandmother had come down to the station
    to see him.
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    Defendant stresses that he was wearing a paper suit and that
    his bloody clothes and shoes had been taken away from him.                           Even
    so, the police acted reasonably in taking those items of apparel
    from    defendant,    for     reasons     of    both     hygiene     and        evidence
    preservation.      Conceivably, defendant's girlfriend, mother, or
    some other third party could have brought him clothing and shoes.
    There is no indication that if defendant made such a request, the
    police would have denied it.
    Defendant     also    emphasizes        the     delay   of        him     waiting
    approximately four hours at the station before his interview was
    started.     The testifying police officers provided a reasonable
    explanation     for    that      delay,      having     decided      to        interview
    defendant's girlfriend first and take her home before turning to
    defendant.    The police were also involved in ongoing investigatory
    activities at the scene of the shooting.
    Although the four-hour delay was relatively long, there is
    no indication that defendant ever expressed impatience or a desire
    to leave while he was waiting. As the trial court found, defendant
    presumably had some incentive to remain and show the police that
    he could be of assistance to them, by locating the gun that had
    been used to shoot his brother.                 The fact that the officers
    expressed    disbelief      or   skepticism     in    reaction      to    defendant's
    initial account of the events did not convert the situation to a
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    custodial interrogation.    As the judge found, defendant's version
    of what had occurred at the scene was not credible, and the
    officers reasonably had the same reaction.
    In sum, we agree with the trial court that defendant was not
    the subject of a custodial interrogation until the point when that
    interview was halted and Miranda warnings were given.
    We likewise concur with the judge's well-established findings
    that the post-Miranda questioning was not coercive, and that
    defendant voluntarily and intelligently waived his rights before
    the questioning was conducted.     Although defendant may have some
    cognitive limitations, the trial court had a reasonable basis to
    agree with Dr. Martinson's expert opinion that defendant was
    sufficiently knowledgeable to understand his rights and waive
    them.   Moreover,   the   video   recording   buttresses   the   judge's
    determination of a lack of coercion during the session.3
    Affirmed.
    3
    For sake of completeness, we do note our agreement with defendant
    that, if we had found the pre-Miranda questioning to comprise a
    custodial interrogation, the contents of the post-Miranda
    questioning would likewise require suppression.      See State v.
    O'Neill, 
    193 N.J. 148
    , 180-87 (2007) (enumerating various factors
    for such an assessment, including, notably here, the proximity in
    time between the pre-warning and post-warning statements and the
    failure of officers to inform a defendant that his pre-warning
    statements cannot be used against him).
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