In re J.W. ( 2014 )


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  • [Cite as In re J.W., 
    2014-Ohio-2814
    .]
    IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO
    SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT
    CLARK COUNTY
    IN THE MATTER OF: J.W. and S.W.                     :
    :
    :    Appellate Case Nos. 2013-CA-113 and
    :
    :    2013-CA-114
    :
    :    Trial Court Case No. 2012-915 and
    :
    :    2012-916
    :
    (Appeal from Common Pleas Court-
    (Domestic Relations)
    ...........
    OPINION
    Rendered on the 27th day of June, 2014.
    ...........
    RYAN A. SAUNDERS, Atty. Reg. No. 0091678, Clark County Family and Children Services,
    50 East Columbia Street, 4th Floor, Springfield, Ohio 45502
    Attorney for Appellee-Clark County Family and Children Services
    DARRELL L. HECKMAN, Atty. Reg. No. 0002389, One Monument Square, Suite 200, Urbana,
    Ohio 43078
    Attorney for Appellant-J.S.
    JEFFREY T. GRAMZA, Atty. Reg. No. 0053392, 131 North Ludlow Street, Suite 1210, Dayton,
    Ohio 45402
    Attorney for Appellant-S.W., Sr.
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    .............
    WELBAUM, J.
    {¶ 1}     In this case, J.S. and S.W., Sr. appeal from the termination of their parental
    rights regarding their two minor children, J.W. and S.W., who were ages eight and 10,
    respectively, when the parental rights were terminated.    The parents have each filed briefs, and
    have listed separate assignments of error. However, both parents contend that the trial court
    erred in finding that it was in the children’s best interests for permanent custody to be granted to
    Appellee, Clark County Family and Children Services (CCFCS), and that the trial court erred in
    failing to appoint counsel for the children.      In addition, J.S. contends that the trial court
    unconstitutionally penalized the parents for their poverty, and that the court erred in finding that
    it had jurisdiction or legal authority to grant permanent custody to CCFCS.
    {¶ 2}     We conclude that the trial court did not err in awarding permanent custody to
    CCFCS. The trial court carefully considered all appropriate factors, and its decision is supported
    by clear and convincing evidence in the record. The trial court also did not err in failing to
    appoint counsel for the minor children.          Counsel need only be appointed in certain
    circumstances, and counsel is not required where, as here, references to a desire to reunify are a
    child's only occasional expression of a wish to be with a parent.
    {¶ 3}     We further conclude that the trial court did not unconstitutionally penalize the
    parents for their poverty. Instead, the parents chose to spend their money staying in hotels rather
    than for housing for the children. The parents also failed to comply with even the most minimal
    requirements of their case plan.        Finally, the trial court based its findings on R.C.
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    2151.414(B)(1)(a), not on R.C. 2151.414(B)(1)(d), as J.S. contends, and there is no need to
    consider arguments as to legal authority under the latter subsection of the statute.
    {¶ 4}      Accordingly, the judgment of the trial court will be affirmed.
    I. Facts and Course of Proceedings
    {¶ 5}      In July 2012, CCFCS filed a complaint in the Clark County Common Pleas
    Court, Domestic Division, Juvenile Section, requesting that it be granted temporary custody of
    J.W. and S.W., who were then ages 7 and 9, respectively. The complaint alleged that the family
    was living in a basement that was totally inappropriate, being very wet, dirty, unsafe, with poor
    lighting, trash, and piles of miscellaneous items throughout the area. The children were found to
    be very dirty, and there were concerns about food supplies. According to the complaint, J.S. had
    been arrested for child endangerment in 2003, 2009, and 2010, and had been found guilty of the
    charges from 2009 and 2010. CCFCS also had previous involvement with the family in 2003,
    and from 2006-2010.
    {¶ 6}      In addition, the complaint detailed the children’s absences from school and
    suspensions. Both children had special needs at the time of removal from their home. Both
    children had mental issues, including ADHD and episodic disorder, were on IEPs at school, and
    were on medication. While under their parents’ care, they had missed significant amounts of
    time in school.
    {¶ 7}      On July 27, 2012, the parents appeared in court and admitted that the children
    were dependent. They agreed that the maternal grandmother, T.C., should have temporary
    custody for six months.
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    .]
    {¶ 8}      The case plan for the family indicated that the family had a history of instability
    regarding housing, and the children had been removed before for lack of running water,
    electricity, or heat.   Specifically, in 2007, CCFCS became involved with the family based on an
    abuse referral. Although the abuse was unsubstantiated, the family was homeless. J.S. was also
    reportedly using drugs, and the children were placed with T.C., on a safety plan. That particular
    case plan was open from June 2007 to January 2009. After the parents obtained housing, the
    plan was closed. However, the parents were evicted shortly after the plan was closed.
    {¶ 9}      In September 2009, the police removed the children from the home, based on a
    lack of electricity and running water. The children were again placed with T.C. J.S. was charged
    with two counts of child endangering and was convicted of one. Subsequently, in July 2010,
    CCFCS had a referral that the family was living in a hotel, and that J.S. was jaywalking with
    J.W. on Main Street, walking too close to cars. J.S. was again charged with and convicted of
    one count of child endangering. CCFCS gave the family funds to pay the rent for a trailer, but
    the family was evicted one month later for non-payment of rent. Then, in 2012, there was the
    latest referral, regarding living in the basement, which was wet and unsanitary. In addition, the
    family was using a bucket as their only toilet.
    {¶ 10}     In order to be reunited safely with the children, the parents were required to
    obtain housing and provide proof of income.           They also needed to have drug and alcohol
    assessments and follow through with any recommendations, and to have mental health
    assessments and follow through with any recommendations.           These requirements were initially
    made in June 2012, shortly after the children were removed.             Both parents agreed to the
    recommendations, and understood what was required. The parents were also given referrals to
    address the agency’s concerns.
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    .]
    {¶ 11}     The parents did obtain housing in October 2012, but an eviction action was filed
    on December 31, 2012, due to non-payment of rent. This was consistent with the parents’ history
    of obtaining housing for a brief period and then being evicted.
    {¶ 12}     In January 2013, CCFCS filed a motion with the court, requesting that it be
    awarded temporary custody. T.C. had requested that the children be removed from her home
    due to their behaviors, particularly those of S.W., who had serious behavior issues. There were
    also concerns of drug abuse regarding the parents, who had both tested positive for opiates at a
    custody hearing on January 15, 2013.          Drug concerns about J.S. had also been present
    throughout her history with CCFCS.         In 2007, J.S. had been recommended for Women’s
    Recover, a residential facility, but did not complete treatment. J.S. had also previously been at
    Talbott Hall, a detoxification facility.
    {¶ 13}     The trial court granted temporary custody to CCFCS, and the children were
    placed together in a foster home. However, S.W. was moved to a different foster home three
    months later, due to his violence against J.W. and the foster mother. After being placed in a
    new foster home in Xenia, Ohio. S.W. did well there.
    {¶ 14}     In August 2013, CCFCS filed a complaint and motion asking the court to
    modify the temporary custody to permanent custody to CCFCS. The request was based on a
    number of items, including the parents’ failure to remedy the problems causing placement of the
    children outside the home. A guardian ad litem (GAL) that had been appointed filed a report
    indicating that the parents had not been able to provide for any of the needs of their children, had
    not participated in the case plan, and had not accomplished any of the goals of the case plan.
    The GAL strongly recommended that the court grant the request for permanent custody.
    {¶ 15}     The GAL filed another report in October 2013, again recommending that the
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    court grant CCFCS’s request for permanent custody. The GAL noted that he had interviewed
    the children, and that they strongly wished to be reunited as a family. However, the GAL also
    expressed the belief that, based on the children’s counseling diagnosis, disabilities, and learning
    disabilities, the children did not understand the long-term consequences of their desire to reunify.
    In particular, S.W. had learning disabilities and was in the low to low average for his age group.
    S.W. had been in four school systems in the past few years, and needed stability to be successful
    at learning. The parents had no place to live, nor did they have furniture or appliances. Their
    work was sporadic and both parents were very thin, looking as if they did not eat regular meals.
    The GAL concluded that while the parents loved their children, they were not able to provide for
    themselves or their children, and the parents’ circumstances were not likely to change in the near
    future. The GAL also filed a further comment on November 4, 2013. In this report, the GAL
    observed that a final custody hearing had been scheduled for Friday, October 24, 2013.          All
    relevant persons appeared at the hearing, other than the parents, who reported by cell phone that
    they were en route to Columbus, Ohio, for emergency medical treatment because the father,
    S.W., Sr., was throwing up blood. However, the parents then claimed they had run out of cell
    phone minutes and could only use text messages. The GAL indicated the report was untrue, and
    that the father had gotten T.C. to take him to the emergency room in Springfield, Ohio. The
    GAL criticized the parents for using poor judgment with respect to failing to use the limited cell
    phone minutes to call the emergency squad, and for possibly attempting to delay the trial, which
    showed a lack of respect for their children, who needed stabilization.
    {¶ 16}    According to the record, S.W., Sr. was able to attend a Saturday visitation with
    the children, after not being able to attend court the day before. The parents had a schedule of
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    weekly visitation at a visitation center, on Saturdays from 9:00 to 11:00 a.m. They had been
    generally consistent with visitation, and the supervisor in charge of the visitations indicated that
    the parents and children had a close bond and interacted appropriately with each other.
    However, from the time that visitations were initially scheduled, the parents never asked CCFCS
    for increased visitation until October 2013, shortly before the final custody hearing. At that
    point, CCFCS refused, since the agency had already filed for permanent custody.
    {¶ 17}    The second hearing on the permanent custody motion was scheduled for
    November 4, 2013. At 9:25 a.m., the trial court indicated on the record that the trial was
    supposed to begin at 9:00 a.m., and the parents had not yet arrived. The father’s attorney stated
    that the parents were presently in Beavercreek, Ohio, waiting for a bus that was supposed to
    come at 9:30 a.m. and arrive in Springfield, Ohio, (the location of the trial), at 10:15 a.m. The
    court noted that the bus was leaving a half-hour after trial was supposed to begin, and the
    attorney explained that this was the first bus the parents could find after allegedly realizing that
    their ride to court was not coming. The court then began the trial. Ultimately, J.S. showed up
    at about 11:30 p.m., but the children’s father never appeared. J.S. had no explanation as to why
    he did not appear, other than that he was supposed to be getting a ride.
    {¶ 18}    At trial, the State presented evidence from two CCFCS caseworkers who
    detailed the deplorable conditions in which the children had been found and the utter failure of
    the parents to comply with the case plan requirements. The only thing that the parents had
    accomplished in more than a year was to attend most of the weekly two-hour visitations with
    their children. The parents did belatedly go for mental health evaluations in October 2013,
    around two weeks before the initial permanent custody hearing. However, they stated in their
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    assessment that they were only at the mental health facility because they wanted to reunify with
    their children. They also both declined any treatment.
    {¶ 19}    Both caseworkers indicated that the best interests of the children would be
    served by placing permanent custody with CCFCS. The children were adoptable, and J.W.’s
    foster parent was interested in adopting him. The caseworkers acknowledged that the children
    loved their parents, but stressed that the parents could not meet the children’s needs; in fact, the
    parents could not even meet their own needs. Denise Bell, the original caseworker, stated that
    she had pleaded with the parents to complete the case plan requirements, and they would not.
    The parents kept telling her that they had appointments scheduled, and when she checked with
    the particular facility, the parents had not gone to the appointments.     In addition, the parents
    would tell her that S.W., Sr. was working when he was not. Bell attributed it to the parents’
    drug use and the fact that they just wanted to continue to use drugs. For years, the family’s
    situation had been one of instability, and the parents had never demonstrated that they could
    provide for their own needs, let alone those of the children.
    {¶ 20}    J.S. testified at the hearing. She stated that she and S.W., Sr. did not have a
    current address. J.S. claimed that they had just found a house, but it would be two weeks before
    they could move in. However, she brought no proof to court to show that they had obtained
    housing. J.S. also brought no proof of income, other than a few receipts showing minimal
    amounts earned in what appears to be: January 2013 ($330 total for J.S. and S.W., Sr.); August
    21, 2013 ($800 for S.W., Sr.); and September 3 and 4, 2013 ($495 for S.W., Sr.). See Joint Ex.
    B. There were three other undated documents that list work done or anticipated to be done on
    two other houses, two of which list amounts totaling $2,350. 
    Id.
     J.S. indicated that she and
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    S.W., Sr. had been working for a contractor since April 2013, and had traveled around working
    on houses while staying in motels. The night before the hearing, they had stayed in a hotel in
    Beavercreek, Ohio, that had cost $60 per night. When they were not traveling, they stayed in the
    Executive hotel in Springfield, Ohio, which cost $40 per night.
    {¶ 21}    Some of J.S.’s testimony was contradicted by evidence in the record. For
    example, she claimed that she and S.W., Sr. had two appointments at Wellspring in April 2013,
    but when they went, identification was needed. WellSpring apparently gave them a week to try
    and find identification, but they were not able to do so in time.      However, the records from
    WellSpring indicate that both parents had appointments scheduled for April 3, 2013, and April
    10, 2013. The parents cancelled the first appointment, and did not show or call to cancel the
    second appointment.
    {¶ 22}    In another example. J.S. testified that the rent at the apartment they did obtain in
    October 2012 was about $600 per month, when the records at CCFCS indicate that the rent was
    $375 per month. Still another example of a lack of credibility is the fact that J.S. reported on her
    mental health evaluation that she had no drug or alcohol usage and no addictive behaviors. See
    State’s Ex. C. In contrast, J.S. admitted during her testimony that she does have an alcohol and
    drug use history, and had received treatment in 2004 for OxyContin (opiates).
    {¶ 23}    After hearing the testimony, the trial court granted CCFCS’s motion for
    permanent custody. The court concluded that the children could not be placed with either parent
    within a reasonable time or should not be placed with either parent because the parents had failed
    to remedy the problems that had caused their removal, and had demonstrated a lack of
    commitment and dedication to the children by regularly failing to support them. The court
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    additionally concluded that it was in the best interests of the children for permanent custody to be
    given to CCFCS. Both parents appeal from the decision terminating their parental rights.
    II. Did the Trial Court Err in Granting Permanent Custody to CCFCS?
    {¶ 24}    Because the parents’ separate briefs raise some of the same issues, we will
    consider these assignments of error together.       For convenience, we will also consider the
    assignments of error out of order. J.S.’s Second Assignment of Error states that:
    The Trial Court Erred in Finding that It Was in the Best Interests of the
    Children that They Be Permanently Taken Away from Their Parents in that Such
    Finding Was Against the Manifest Weight of the Evidence.
    {¶ 25}    Similarly, S.W., Sr.’s First Assignment of Error states as follows:
    The Trial Court Committed Reversible Error in Granting Permanent
    Custody to Family and Children’s Services of Clark County, as the Agency Failed
    to Prove by Clear and Convincing Evidence that Permanent Custody was in the
    Best Interest of the Children.
    {¶ 26}    In arguing that the court’s decision is against the manifest weight of the
    evidence, or was not supported by clear and convincing evidence, the parents both focus on two
    factors under R.C. 2151.414(D)(1) – (a) that the court should consider the interactions between
    the child’s parents, siblings, and relatives before making a permanent custody decision; and (b)
    that the court should consider the children’s wishes.       The parents argue that these factors
    strongly weigh in their favor.
    {¶ 27}    “The United States Supreme Court has recognized that parents’ interest in the
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    care, custody, and control of their children ‘is perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty
    interests recognized’ by the court.”       In re L.C., 2d Dist. Clark No. 2010 CA 90,
    
    2011-Ohio-2066
    , ¶ 12, quoting Troxel v. Granville, 
    530 U.S. 57
    , 65, 
    120 S.Ct. 2054
    , 
    147 L.Ed.2d 49
     (2000). “ * * * [P]arents who are ‘suitable’ persons have a ‘paramount’ right to the
    custody of their minor children unless they forfeit that right by contract, abandonment, or by
    becoming totally unable to care for and support those children.” (Citation omitted.) In re
    Perales, 
    52 Ohio St.2d 89
    , 97, 
    369 N.E.2d 1047
     (1977).
    {¶ 28}    Nonetheless, juvenile courts have broad discretion in choosing alternatives for
    the disposition of abused, neglected, or dependent children. In re L.C., at ¶ 13, citing R.C.
    2151.353(A) and Juv.R. 29(D). “ ‘In choosing among the alternatives, the best interest of the
    child is the court's primary consideration. Furthermore, in making its dispositional order, the
    court must consider which situation will best promote the “care, protection, and mental and
    physical development” of the child with the understanding that the court should separate a child
    from his family environment “only when necessary for the child's welfare or in the interests of
    public safety.” R.C. 2151.01(A).’ ” 
    Id.,
     quoting In re C.W., 3d Dist. Wyandot No. 16-09-26,
    
    2010-Ohio-2157
    , ¶ 11.
    {¶ 29}    In this regard:
    R.C. 2151.414 establishes a two-part test for courts to apply when
    determining a motion for permanent custody to a public services agency. The
    statute requires the court to find, by clear and convincing evidence, that (1)
    granting permanent custody of the child to the agency is in the best interest of the
    child and (2) either the child (a) cannot be placed with either parent within a
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    reasonable period of time or should not be placed with either parent if any one of
    the factors in R.C. 2151.414(E) are present; (b) is abandoned; (c) is orphaned and
    no relatives are able to take permanent custody of the child; or (d) has been in the
    temporary custody of one or more public or private children services agencies for
    twelve or more months of a consecutive twenty-two month period.
    In re K.M., 8th Dist. Cuyahoga No. 98545, 
    2012-Ohio-6010
    , ¶ 8, citing R.C. 2151.414(B)(1).
    {¶ 30}    The court’s findings “must be supported by clear and convincing evidence,” and
    “the children services agency has the burden of proof.” (Citations omitted.) In re L.C., 2d Dist.
    Clark No. 2010 CA 90, 
    2011-Ohio-2066
    , at ¶ 14.
    {¶ 31}    Under R.C. 2151.414(D), the trial court must “consider all relevant factors when
    determining the best interest of the child, including but not limited to: (1) the interaction and
    interrelationship of the child with the child's parents, relatives, foster parents and any other
    person who may significantly affect the child; (2) the wishes of the child; (3) the custodial history
    of the child, including whether the child has been in the temporary custody of one or more public
    children services agencies or private child placing agencies for twelve or more months of a
    consecutive twenty-two-month period; (4) the child's need for a legally secure permanent
    placement and whether that type of placement can be achieved without a grant of permanent
    custody to the agency; and (5) whether any of the factors in R.C. 2151.414(E)(7) through (11) are
    applicable.” In re S.J., 2d Dist. Montgomery No. 25550, 
    2013-Ohio-2935
    , ¶ 15.
    {¶ 32}    Our review of the trial court’s decision is for abuse of discretion. In re E.C., 2d
    Dist. Montgomery No. 25944, 
    2014-Ohio-1660
    , ¶ 11 (Citation omitted.)                 “An abuse of
    discretion implies that the trial court's decision was unreasonable, arbitrary, or unconscionable.”
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    (Citations omitted.)    
    Id.
     We have also said that “[a] reviewing court will not overturn a
    court's grant of permanent custody to the state as being contrary to the manifest weight of the
    evidence ‘if the record contains competent, credible evidence by which the court could have
    formed a firm belief or conviction that the essential statutory elements * * * have been
    established.’ ” In re R.L., 2d Dist. Greene Nos. 2012CA32, 2012CA33, 
    2012-Ohio-6049
    , ¶ 17,
    quoting In re A.U., 2d Dist. Montgomery No. 22287, 
    2008-Ohio-187
    , ¶ 9.          In addition, “[n]ot
    every statutory condition must be met before a determination regarding best interest may be
    made. * * * And no one statutory factor is more important than any other.” (Citations omitted.)
    In re R.L., at ¶ 18, citing In re Schaefer, 
    111 Ohio St.3d 498
    , 
    2006-Ohio-5513
    , 
    857 N.E.2d 532
    , ¶
    56.
    {¶ 33}    After examining the entire record, including the exhibits, we cannot say that the
    trial court’s decision was unreasonable, arbitrary, or unconscionable. The trial court’s decision
    was also supported by competent, credible, clear, and convincing evidence.
    {¶ 34}    As was noted above, the parents were unwilling, for approximately sixteen
    months, to make any effort that would allow them to reunify with their children, other than
    visiting the children for a few hours once a week. By J.S.’s own admission, she was not
    employed at all between July 2012 and April 2013, and was employed only sporadically after
    that. Likewise, S.W. Sr.’s employment was somewhat sporadic. Yet, during all these months,
    the parents failed to appear for a single mental health appointment except one scheduled on the
    eve of trial, in which they indicated that they had no problems other than being required to have
    an assessment for reunification purposes, and further indicated that they did not desire treatment.
    They also failed to take minimal steps to secure drug and alcohol evaluations or to obtain
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    housing.
    {¶ 35}     In addition, the children were living in deplorable conditions before they were
    removed, and the instability had continued for many years. Both children had special needs that
    were not being met – they had many absences from school while in the parents’ care and were
    significantly delayed in academic skills. S.W., in particular, had severe behavior issues. After
    removal, both children were doing well in their foster care environments, and had improved
    substantially in their progress and attendance at school. While the children may have at one
    point expressed a natural wish to reunite with their parents, the record demonstrates that this
    would be very detrimental to their welfare. The GAL additionally expressed the opinion that the
    children were not capable of understanding the long-term consequences of their desire to reunify
    as a family, due to their counseling diagnosis, disabilities, and learning disabilities.        This
    opinion is also supported by the record. The trial court was not required to place emphasis on
    the children’s wishes or the relationships among the family, to the exclusion of all other factors.
    {¶ 36}     Accordingly, the trial court did not err in concluding that permanent custody to
    the agency was in the children’s best interests. The court carefully considered all factors, and its
    decision is supported by clear and convincing evidence in the record. J.S.’s Second Assignment
    of Error and S.W., Sr.’s First Assignment of Error are without merit and are overruled.
    III. Did the Trial Court Err in Failing to Appoint an Attorney for the Children?
    {¶ 37}     J.S.’s Fourth Assignment of Error and S.W., Sr.’s Second Assignment of Error
    state that:
    The Trial Court Erred in Failing to Appoint Counsel for the Children.
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    {¶ 38}     Under this assignment of error, the parents contend that the trial court should
    have appointed counsel for the children because the GAL’s recommendation was inconsistent
    with their wishes. In this regard, the parents rely on In re Williams, 
    101 Ohio St.3d 398
    ,
    
    2004-Ohio-1500
    , 
    805 N.E.2d 1110
    . In Williams, the Supreme Court of Ohio held that in certain
    circumstances, children who are the subject of parental termination proceedings are entitled to
    counsel. 
    Id.
     at syllabus. In response, CCFCS cites cases indicating that Williams does not
    apply unless the record demonstrates that a child has repeatedly and consistently expressed an
    affirmative desire to return to a parent’s home. See, e.g., In re B.W., 9th Dist. Medina No.
    12CA0016-M, 
    2012-Ohio-3416
    , ¶ 42.
    {¶ 39}     In Williams, the Supreme Court of Ohio considered the interplay of R.C.
    2151.352, Juv.R. 4(A), and Juv.R 2(Y), and concluded that counsel must be appointed for a child
    in certain circumstances.        The circumstances in Williams included that “[the child] had
    repeatedly maintained he wished to remain with [his mother]. His behavior regressed and
    became more aggressive upon his removal in October of 2001. During supervised visitation,
    [the child] often did not want to let [his mother] out of his sight.” In re Williams, 11th Dist.
    Geauga Nos. 2002-G-2454, 2002-G-2459, 
    2002-Ohio-6588
    , ¶ 9 (Wililams I).
    {¶ 40}     The court of appeals noted in Williams I that every party in juvenile court is
    entitled to be represented by counsel, but “the court is only required to appoint counsel to
    represent the child’s interests if there is an allegation of abuse.” Id. at ¶ 19. The court of
    appeals further observed that:
    If a juvenile court determines that a child is entitled to legal representation
    in addition to a guardian ad litem, the court can appoint an attorney to serve in the
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    dual capacity of appointed counsel and guardian ad litem. A dual appointment is
    permitted if there is no conflict between the roles. The separate appointment of
    counsel is necessary if there is a direct conflict between the recommendation of
    the guardian ad litem and the expressed wishes of the child. This is because the
    role of a guardian ad litem is different than that of an attorney. The role of the
    guardian ad litem is to investigate the child's situation and then ask the court to do
    what is in the child's best interest, while the role of an attorney is to zealously
    represent his client's wishes within the bounds of the law. If there is a conflict
    between these roles, the guardian ad litem may not be the child's attorney.
    Id.
    {¶ 41}    In concluding that an attorney should have been appointed for the child, the
    court of appeals commented in Williams I that the child had “consistently expressed a desire to
    be reunited with [his mother]. Once, [the child] told his therapist he would move his house into
    the woods and live with [his mother] there if told he could not live with his mother.” Id. at ¶ 20.
    The court of appeals also rejected the idea that appointment of counsel had been waived because
    no request for appointment of counsel had been made below. Id. at ¶ 21. Although the court
    recognized that other appellate courts had found waiver in similar situations, the court stated that:
    We are reluctant to find waiver in a case where a child consistently has
    expressed a wish to be with a parent. Courts have stated that a child's interests are
    not represented by his or her parents, even when the parents and child all want
    reunification. To find waiver would deny that child his or her right to counsel
    because another party did not raise the issue.
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    This is not to say that every child should be given counsel or that waiver is
    not appropriate in certain cases. There is a question in this case as to whether
    six-year old [M.] has the maturity to understand the proceedings. Arguably, most
    children of tender years will want to be returned to their parents. A juvenile court
    need only consider a child's wishes regarding a motion for permanent custody
    after giving due regard to the child's maturity. R.C. 2151.414(D)(2). Similarly,
    there is no need to consider the appointment of counsel based upon a child's
    occasional expression of a wish to be with a parent or because of a statement
    made by an immature child.
    Courts must consider each case on the facts presented as no bright-line
    rule can be imposed regarding what age a child would be considered mature for
    the purposes of the appointment of legal counsel. Children and circumstances
    differ to a large degree such that the court must base its determination of whether
    or not legal counsel should be appointed on its consideration of the child at issue
    and not whether a certain age must be attained before the right to counsel attaches.
    Indeed, in most cases, a child of tender years will probably lack the
    maturity to understand the situation and consequences involved in a permanent
    custody case. We are not requiring that legal counsel be appointed every time a
    child states a desire to remain with a parent. However, when a child consistently
    expresses a desire to be with a parent, then a juvenile court should investigate,
    giving due regard to the child's maturity and understanding of the proceedings,
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    and make a ruling about whether an attorney should be appointed to represent the
    child's interest and expressed wishes.
    Williams, 11th Dist. Geauga Nos. 2002-G–2454, 2002-G-2459, 
    2002-Ohio-6588
    , at ¶ 23-26.
    {¶ 42}    Based on the above discussion, the court of appeals reversed and remanded the
    case. On remand, the trial court appointed an attorney for the child, but the attorney’s role was
    limited to filing a response to the permanent custody motion “stating the position of the child
    with respect to permanent custody.”       In re Williams, 11th Dist. Geauga Nos. 2003G-2498,
    2003-G-2499, 
    2003-Ohio-3550
    , ¶ 8 (Williams II).         Furthermore, while the juvenile court had
    originally scheduled a re-hearing on the motion for permanent custody, the court issued a
    decision concluding that appointment of an attorney was not necessary. The court then reinstated
    its prior decisions as to permanent custody without holding a hearing. Id. at ¶ 9.
    {¶ 43}    On further appeal, the court of appeals reversed again, concluding that this
    cursory process did not protect the child’s rights. Id. at ¶ 18. The Supreme Court of Ohio
    subsequently certified a conflict in Williams II on the issue of “[w]hether children who are the
    subject of a motion to terminate parental rights are ‘parties’ to that proceeding for the purposes of
    Juv.R. 4(A) and R.C. 2151.352, requiring the appointment of counsel.” In re Williams, 
    99 Ohio St.3d 1540
    , 
    2003-Ohio-4671
    , 
    795 N.E.2d 680
     (Table). The conflict case was In re Alfrey, 2d
    Dist. Clark No. 01CA0083, 
    2003-Ohio-608
    .           As was noted, the Supreme Court of Ohio
    ultimately concluded that under R.C. 2151.352 and the Ohio Juvenile Rules, children were
    “parties” to the proceeding and would be entitled to counsel under certain circumstances.
    Williams, 
    101 Ohio St.3d 398
    , 
    2004-Ohio-1500
    , 
    805 N.E.2d 1110
    , syllabus. However, the court
    did not specifically detail what circumstances would give rise to the need to appoint counsel.
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    {¶ 44}    Courts applying Williams have noted that “there is no need to consider the
    appointment of counsel based upon a child's occasional expression of a wish to be with a parent
    or because of a statement made by an immature child.” (Emphasis sic.) In re B.S., 5th Dist.
    Tuscarawas No. 11AP100041, 
    2012-Ohio-1036
    , ¶ 33, citing Williams I, 11th Dist. Geauga Nos.
    2002-G-2454, 2002-G-2459, 
    2002-Ohio-6588
    , at ¶ 24. For example, in the case of In re B.S., a
    letter from the child’s counselor indicated that the child was “grieving the loss of Father
    ‘especially’, and wanted to go home.” Id. at ¶ 34. At the time, the child was five years old.
    Id. at ¶ 35.    The Fifth District Court of Appeals also stressed that “[t]he Williams Court
    emphasized the child expressed his wish for reunification ‘often,’ ‘consistently,’ and
    ‘repeatedly.’ ” Id. at ¶ 33, quoting Williams I at ¶ 17, 20, and 9.
    {¶ 45}    In rejecting the need for appointment of a separate attorney, the Fifth District
    Court of Appeals observed that “the counselor's general expression of the girl's emotions does
    not equate to the child's ability to make a knowing choice to remain with one parent. The
    counselor also noted B.S. was open to being loved by another mother and father.” Id. at ¶ 36.
    {¶ 46}    In the case before us, the GAL indicated that he had interviewed J.W. and S.W.,
    and that “[t]hey wish as strongly as it is possible for them to wish that they could be reunited as a
    family.” Doc.# 62, p. 1. The rest of the record does not reveal any comments from J.W.
    regarding a wish to be reunited. With respect to S.W., the notes for his counseling records
    contain a few references to S.W.’s sadness that he would not be reunited with his parents.
    State’s Exhibit K, notes for 7/8/2013, 8/26/13, and 10/2/2013.
    {¶ 47}    However, these were only occasional references to the state of S.W.’s emotions,
    and do not rise to the level of demonstrating that “the child has repeatedly and consistently
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    expressed the affirmative desire to return to the parent's home.” In re B.W., 9th Dist. Medina
    No. 12CA0016-M, 
    2012-Ohio-3416
    , at ¶ 42. Moreover, in contrast to the child in Williams,
    S.W. and J.W. did not regress in behavior after their removal from the home. S.W. had some
    behavior issues initially, but these were no different from the issues he had while living with his
    parents. Furthermore, S.W.’s behavior improved significantly after he was placed in a second
    foster home. We recognize that this is a close issue, and if some of the facts had been different,
    the trial court may have erred by failing to appoint an attorney for the children.
    {¶ 48}    In view of the above discussion, we conclude that the trial court did not err in
    failing to appoint counsel for the children. We also note that some courts have held that a parent
    waives the right to challenge the lack of appointment of counsel for a child by not raising the
    matter in the trial court.       See, e.g., In re N.G., 9th Dist. Lorain No. 12CA010143,
    
    2012-Ohio-2825
    , ¶ 16-17. The rationale is that parents should not be permitted to impose
    belated challenges in order to delay custody proceedings, which are expedited in order to prevent
    children from languishing in the foster care system. Id. at ¶ 17. We do not rely on the doctrine,
    but note that authority does exist for application of waiver. If we were required to apply the
    waiver doctrine, we would find no plain error that would warrant reversal.
    {¶ 49}    Based on the preceding discussion, J.S.’s Fourth Assignment of Error and S.W.,
    Sr.’s Second Assignment of Error are overruled.
    IV. Were the Parents Penalized Due to Poverty?
    {¶ 50}    J.S.’ s Third Assignment of Error states that:
    The Trial Court Erred in Finding that the Parents Lost Their Constitutional
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    Right to Custody of Their Children.
    {¶ 51}       Under this assignment of error, J.S. contends that she was unconstitutionally
    deprived of custody of her children because she is destitute. According to J.S., poverty is often
    mistaken for neglect. As an example of her poverty being an inhibiting factor, J.S. points to the
    fact that on the day of the hearing, she had only $10.00 in her pocket and expended $9.50 on a
    bus to get to the hearing.
    {¶ 52}       We have already stressed that a parent’s interest in the care, custody, and control
    of children is a fundamental liberty interest. In re L.C., 2d Dist. Clark No. 2010 CA 90,
    
    2011-Ohio-2066
    , at ¶ 12, quoting Troxel, 
    530 U.S. at 65
    , 
    120 S.Ct. 2054
    , 
    147 L.Ed.2d 49
    .
    However, poverty is not the reason that J.S. and S.W., Sr. were deprived of their parental rights.
    Their parental rights were terminated because they made no effort, for a period of 16 months, to
    comply with the most simple requirements of their case plan.                                       If the parents were truly
    concerned about their children’s welfare, they would have attempted to comply. Furthermore,
    the parents had sufficient income to live in hotels, expending several hundred dollars a month, by
    J.S.’s own account, when that money could have been used to obtain housing for the children.1
    The night before the hearing, the parents spent $60 on a hotel room – and chose to stay in
    Beavercreek, Ohio, rather than in Springfield, where they would have been more easily able to
    travel to the important hearing that would determine the fate of their children.                                       This is not a
    matter of poverty; it is a matter of poor judgment and inattention to the needs of the children.
    {¶ 53}       Based on the preceding discussion, J.S.’s Third Assignment of Error is
    1
    At the rate of $40 per night cited by J.S., about $1,200 would have been expended each month for hotels. J.S. indicated that
    when they could afford to pay weekly, the rate was $150. Even at that rate, $600 would have been expended on hotels.
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    overruled.
    V. Did the Trial Court Err in Finding Legal Authority to Grant Custody?
    {¶ 54}    J.S.’s First Assignment of Error states that:
    The Trial Court Erred in Finding it Had Jurisdiction or Legal Authority to
    Grant Permanent Custody of the Children to the Clark County Department of
    Family and Children Services.
    {¶ 55}    Under this assignment of error, J.S. contends that the trial court lacked
    jurisdiction or legal authority to grant permanent custody to CCFCS because the children had not
    been in the custody of one or more public children services agencies for 12 or more months of
    the preceding 22 months, as required by R.C. 2151.414(B)(1)(d). J.S. bases her argument on the
    fact that the CCFCS only received temporary shelter care custody on January 15, 2013, and
    temporary custody on February 8, 2013. In her reply brief, J.S. concedes that CCFCS properly
    stated alternate grounds for custody in its complaint, based on R.C. 2151.414(B)(1)(a).
    {¶ 56}    We note that the trial court did not rely on R.C. 2151.414(B)(1)(d) in its
    decision. Instead, the court concluded that the children could not be placed with the parents
    within a reasonable period of time or should not be returned to the parents. Doc.# 68, Judgment
    Entry, p. 5. This was consistent with R.C. 2151.414)(B)(1)(a), which states that:
    Except as provided in division (B)(2) of this section, the court may grant
    permanent custody of a child to a movant if the court determines at the hearing
    held pursuant to division (A) of this section, by clear and convincing evidence,
    that it is in the best interest of the child to grant permanent custody of the child to
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    the agency that filed the motion for permanent custody and that any of the
    following apply:
    (a) The child is not abandoned or orphaned, has not been in the temporary
    custody of one or more public children services agencies or private child placing
    agencies for twelve or more months of a consecutive twenty-two-month period, or
    has not been in the temporary custody of one or more public children services
    agencies or private child placing agencies for twelve or more months of a
    consecutive twenty-two-month period if, as described in division (D)(1) of section
    2151.413 of the Revised Code, the child was previously in the temporary custody
    of an equivalent agency in another state, and the child cannot be placed with either
    of the child's parents within a reasonable time or should not be placed with the
    child's parents.
    {¶ 57}    Because this ground was raised in the complaint for custody, and was relied on
    by the trial court, any issues relating to R.C. 2151.414(B)(1)(d) are irrelevant. Accordingly,
    J.S.’s First Assignment of Error is overruled.
    VI. Conclusion
    {¶ 58}    All of J.S.’s and S.W. Sr.’s assignments of error having been overruled, the
    judgment of the trial court is affirmed.
    .............
    HALL, J., concurs.
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    FAIN, J., dissenting.
    {¶ 59} Although I agree with Judge Welbaum’s opinion for this court in all other
    respects, I would find some merit to the mother’s fourth assignment of error and the father’s
    second assignment of error, both of which concern the trial court’s failure to have assigned
    counsel for the children.
    {¶ 60} In In re Williams, 
    110 Ohio St.3d 398
    , 
    2004-Ohio-1500
    , 
    805 N.E.2d 1110
    , ¶ 29,
    the Supreme Court of Ohio held that: “a child who is the subject of a juvenile court proceeding to
    terminate parental rights is a party to that proceeding and, therefore, is entitled to independent
    counsel in certain circumstances.” In that portion of the Supreme Court’s opinion addressed to
    the issue on appeal, the Court provided no guidance concerning what “certain circumstances”
    will trigger the child’s right to independent counsel, beyond its recognition that courts of appeals
    have “recognized that courts should make a determination, on a case-by-case basis, whether the
    child actually needs independent counsel, taking into account the maturity of the child and the
    possibility of the child’s guardian ad litem being appointed to represent the child.” Id., ¶ 17.
    {¶ 61} The Supreme Court did cite, in the portion of its opinion dealing with the
    procedural history of the case, at ¶ 6, the following passage in the opinion of the Eleventh
    District Court of Appeals in the first appeal in that case: “[W]hen a child consistently expresses a
    desire to be with a parent, then a juvenile court should investigate, giving due regard to the
    child’s maturity and understanding of the proceedings, and make a ruling about whether an
    attorney should be appointed to represent the child’s interest and expressed wishes.” In re
    Williams, 11th Dist. Geauga Nos. 2002-G-2454 and 2002-G-2459, 
    2002-Ohio-6588
    , ¶ 26.
    {¶ 62} The only place in that opinion where the court of appeals refers specifically to the
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    child’s expression of his desire to be with his mother is at ¶ 20: “In the instant case, [the child]
    consistently expressed a desire to be reunited with appellant. Once, [the child] told his therapist
    he would move his house into the woods and live with [his mother] there if he could not live
    with his mother. That same therapist stated [the child] would be happier with [his mother].”
    Later, at ¶ 22, the court of appeals cited with approval the holding of the Eighth District Court of
    Appeals in In re Clark, 
    141 Ohio App.3d 55
    , 
    2001-Ohio-4126
    , 
    749 N.E.2d 833
    , “that children
    were entitled to legal representation in a case where one of the children expressed a strong desire
    to be returned to his mother at the dispositional hearing.” (Quotation is from In re Williams.)
    {¶ 63} I conclude that it is the strength of the child’s expressed wish and its unequivocal
    character that, combined with the age of the child, informs the decision whether there are “certain
    circumstances” requiring the appointment of independent counsel for the child. The frequency
    with which the child’s wish is expressed may be a factor in determining the strength of the wish,
    but I do not regard the multiplicity of a child’s expressions of a wish to be reunited with a parent
    as an independent requirement for the appointment of counsel. After all, the child cannot “make
    a record” of multiple expressions of the child’s desire.
    {¶ 64} In the case before us, the guardian ad litem, who had interviewed the children,
    said that “[t]hey wish as strongly as it is possible for them to wish that they could be reunited as a
    family.” The older child was almost eleven at the time of the hearing; the younger child was
    eight. They were not incapable of having meaningful desires concerning their own placement.
    {¶ 65} In my view, the trial court should at least have conducted some further inquiry to
    determine whether independent legal representation of the children was warranted. To that
    extent, I would sustain the respective assignments of error of the mother and father pertaining to
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    this issue, reverse the permanent custody award, and remand this matter to the trial court for
    further proceedings.
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