United States v. Michael St. Hubert ( 2018 )


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    [PUBLISH]
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
    ________________________
    No. 16-10874
    ________________________
    D.C. Docket No. 1:15-cr-20621-FAM-1
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    versus
    MICHAEL ST. HUBERT,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ________________________
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of Florida
    ________________________
    (February 28, 2018)
    Before MARCUS, ANDERSON and HULL, Circuit Judges.
    HULL, Circuit Judge:
    On February 16, 2016, Michael St. Hubert pled guilty to two counts of
    using, carrying, and brandishing a firearm during, in relation to, and in furtherance
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    of a crime of violence, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c). The district court
    sentenced St. Hubert to 84 months’ imprisonment for the first § 924(c) conviction
    and 300 consecutive months’ imprisonment for the second § 924(c) conviction. St.
    Hubert appeals his § 924(c) convictions and sentences claiming his predicate
    Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery do not constitute crimes of violence
    under either the risk-of-force (residual) clause in § 924(c)(3)(B) or the use-of-force
    clause in § 924(c)(3)(A).
    After careful review and with the benefit of oral argument, we affirm both
    convictions and sentences.
    I.   BACKGROUND FACTS
    A.    Indictment
    On August 11, 2015, St. Hubert was indicted on thirteen counts in
    connection with a series of five robberies and one attempted robbery committed in
    southern Florida between December 23, 2014 and January 27, 2015. Counts 1, 3,
    5, 7, 9, and 11 contained the six robbery counts. Five counts charged that St.
    Hubert committed a Hobbs Act robbery, and one count charged an attempted
    robbery, all in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 1951
    (b).
    Counts 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 were § 924(c) firearm counts and charged St.
    Hubert with knowingly using, carrying, and possessing a firearm during, in relation
    to, and in furtherance of a crime of violence, in violation of 18 U.S.C.
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    § 924(c)(1)(A). Each § 924(c) firearm count specifically identified and charged
    that the predicate crime of violence was one of five Hobbs Act robberies or the
    attempted Hobbs Act robbery charged in the six substantive robbery counts. Each
    § 924(c) firearm count also charged St. Hubert with brandishing the firearm in
    violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(1)(A)(ii).
    Count 13 charged St. Hubert with knowingly possessing a firearm and
    ammunition after having been previously convicted of a felony, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 922
    (g)(1).
    Ultimately, St. Hubert pled guilty to the two § 924(c) firearm counts
    contained in Counts 8 and 12. Therefore, only Counts 8 and 12 (the firearm
    offenses), which expressly incorporated as predicates the robberies in Counts 7 and
    11, are relevant to this appeal. We set out the allegations in those counts.
    More specifically, Count 8 charged that St. Hubert used and carried a
    firearm during the Hobbs Act robbery in Count 7, stating that St. Hubert:
    did knowingly use and carry a firearm during and in relation to a
    crime of violence, and did knowingly possess a firearm in furtherance
    of a crime of violence, an offense for which the defendant may be
    prosecuted in a court of the United States, specifically, a violation of
    Title 18, United States Code, Section 1951(a), as alleged in Count 7 of
    this Indictment, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section
    924(c)(1)(A).
    Pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 924(c)(1)(A)(ii), it is
    further alleged that the firearm was brandished.
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    In turn, Count 7 charged that St. Hubert committed the Hobbs Act robbery of an
    AutoZone store in Hollywood, Florida on January 21, 2015, stating St. Hubert:
    did knowingly obstruct, delay, and affect commerce and the
    movement of articles and commodities in commerce, by means of
    robbery, as the terms “commerce” and “robbery” are defined in Title
    18, United States Code, Sections 1951(b)(1) and (b)(3), in that the
    defendant did take property from the person and in the presence of
    persons employed by AutoZone, located at 1513 North State Road 7,
    Hollywood, Florida 33021, a business and company operating in
    interstate and foreign commerce, against the will of those persons, by
    means of actual and threatened force, violence, and fear of injury to
    said persons, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section
    1951(a).
    (emphasis added).
    Count 12 charged that St. Hubert used and carried a firearm on January 27,
    2015 during the attempted Hobbs Act robbery in Count 11, stating that St. Hubert:
    did knowingly use and carry a firearm during and in relation to a
    crime of violence, and did knowingly possess a firearm in furtherance
    of a crime of violence, an offense for which the defendant may be
    prosecuted in a court of the United States, specifically, a violation of
    Title 18, United States Code, Section 1951(a), as alleged in Count 11
    of this Indictment, in violation of Title 18, United States Code,
    Section 924(c)(1)(A).
    Pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 924(c)(1)(A)(ii), it is
    further alleged that the firearm was brandished.
    Count 11, in turn, charged that St. Hubert committed the attempted Hobbs Act
    robbery of an AutoZone store in Miami, Florida on January 27, 2015, stating that
    St. Hubert:
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    did knowingly attempt to obstruct, delay, and affect commerce and the
    movement of articles and commodities in commerce, by means of
    robbery, as the terms “commerce” and “robbery” are defined in Title
    18, United States Code, Sections 1951(b)(1) and (b)(3), in that the
    defendant did attempt to take property from the person and in the
    presence of persons employed by AutoZone, located at 59 N.E. 79th
    Street, Miami, Florida 33138, a business and company operating in
    interstate and foreign commerce, against the will of those persons, by
    means of actual and threatened force, violence, and fear of injury to
    said persons, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section
    1951(a).
    (emphasis added).
    B.    Motion to Dismiss Indictment
    On December 22, 2015, St. Hubert filed a motion to dismiss the § 924(c)
    firearm counts in his indictment. St. Hubert’s motion argued that “[t]he 924(c)
    Counts fail to state an offense because the Hobbs Act charges upon which they are
    predicated do not qualify as ‘crime[s] of violence’: Hobbs Act ‘robbery’ does not
    fall within the definition of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)’s ‘force clause,’ and § 924(c)’s
    residual clause is unconstitutionally vague under Johnson v. United States, __ U.S.
    __, 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
     (2015).” The district court denied St. Hubert’s motion.
    C.    Guilty Plea Colloquy Outlined the Offense Conduct
    Subsequently, during a February 16, 2016 hearing, pursuant to a written plea
    agreement, St. Hubert pled guilty to Counts 8 and 12, both § 924(c) firearm crimes,
    in exchange for dismissal of the other eleven counts. The predicate crimes in
    Counts 8 and 12, respectively, were the Hobbs Act robbery on January 21 and the
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    attempted Hobbs Act robbery on January 27. We recount the offense conduct
    which St. Hubert admitted during his plea colloquy.
    On January 21, 2015, St. Hubert robbed with a firearm an AutoZone store
    located at North State Road 7 in Hollywood, Florida. At approximately 8:00 p.m.,
    St. Hubert entered the store wearing a gray and yellow striped hoodie. St. Hubert
    brandished a firearm and directed three store employees to the rear of the store. St.
    Hubert demanded that the employees place money from the store’s safe inside one
    of the store’s plastic bags and threatened to shoot them. Approximately $2,300
    was stolen during the robbery. Two of the three employees subsequently identified
    St. Hubert in a six-person photographic array.
    On January 27, 2015, St. Hubert attempted to rob with a firearm a different
    AutoZone store located at 59 Northeast 79th Street in Miami, Florida. At
    approximately 7:00 p.m., St. Hubert entered the store wearing a gray Old Navy
    hoodie. St. Hubert proceeded to hold a firearm against the side of one employee
    and directed a second employee to open the store safe.
    As this was occurring, the second employee noticed a City of Miami Police
    Department vehicle outside the store and ran out of the door to request help. St.
    Hubert then fled in a blue Mercury sedan which was registered in his name and to
    his home address. A subsequent car chase led law enforcement officials to St.
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    Hubert, who was arrested at his residence. Both AutoZone employees later
    identified St. Hubert in a showup.
    During subsequent valid and authorized searches of St. Hubert’s residence,
    law enforcement officers located both the gray and yellow striped hoodie worn by
    St. Hubert during the January 21st robbery, and the gray Old Navy hoodie worn by
    St. Hubert during the January 27th attempted robbery. DNA recovered from both
    hoodies matched St. Hubert’s DNA. During the execution of a search warrant for
    St. Hubert’s vehicle, law enforcement officials located a firearm and ammunition.1
    During the plea colloquy, the district court also recited the firearm charge set
    forth in Count 8 and explained that the predicate crime of violence was St.
    Hubert’s AutoZone robbery charged in Count 7. The district court also recited the
    firearm charge set forth in Count 12 and explained that the predicate crime of
    violence was his attempted AutoZone robbery charged in Count 11. St. Hubert
    confirmed that he understood the charges and that he was pleading guilty to both
    Counts 8 and 12. St. Hubert also affirmed that he was pleading guilty because he
    was in fact guilty. The district court found that St. Hubert’s guilty plea was freely
    and voluntarily entered, accepted his guilty plea and found him guilty.
    1
    Cell site records show that on January 27th, 2015, St. Hubert’s phone was in the
    immediate vicinity of the AutoZone store located at 59 Northeast 79th Street, Miami, Florida
    shortly before the attempted robbery. The cell site records also show that St. Hubert’s phone was
    in the immediate vicinity of his residence shortly after the attempted robbery.
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    D.    Sentencing
    On February 16, 2016, the district court sentenced St. Hubert to 84
    months’ imprisonment on Count 8 and to 300 consecutive months’
    imprisonment on Count 12.
    St. Hubert timely appealed.
    II.    WAIVER BY GUILTY PLEA
    On appeal, St. Hubert asks the Court to vacate his convictions and sentences.
    He does not dispute that he committed the Hobbs Act robbery and attempted
    robbery of the AutoZone stores and used a firearm in doing so. St. Hubert also
    does not challenge the validity of his guilty plea. Rather, St. Hubert contends that
    Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery do not qualify as crimes of violence
    under 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c), and therefore he pled guilty to what he terms a non-
    offense.
    In response, the government argues that St. Hubert waived those claims
    when he knowingly and voluntarily pled guilty to Counts 8 and 12. St. Hubert
    counters that his § 924(c) claim is jurisdictional and thus not waivable. At the
    outset, we point out that St. Hubert’s appeal actually raises two distinct claims, one
    constitutional and the other statutory in nature.
    St. Hubert’s constitutional claim involves § 924(c)(3)(B). St. Hubert’s
    constitutional claim is that: (1) § 924(c)(3)(B)’s residual clause definition of crime
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    of violence is unconstitutionally vague in light of Johnson v. United States, 576
    U.S. ___, 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
     (2015); and (2) thus that unconstitutional part of the
    statute cannot be used to convict him.
    St. Hubert’s statutory claim involves § 924(c)(3)(A). Specifically, St.
    Hubert says that Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery categorically do not
    qualify as crimes of violence under the other statutory definition of crime of
    violence in § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause. Consequently, before we can
    address the merits of St. Hubert’s § 924(c) claims, we must first determine whether
    St. Hubert has waived them. 2
    A.     Constitutional Challenge to § 924(c)(3)(B)
    The Supreme Court recently spoke directly to whether a guilty plea waives a
    constitutional challenge to a statute of conviction. We start with that case.
    In Class v. United States, the defendant pled guilty and was convicted under
    
    40 U.S.C. § 5104
    (e), which prohibits the carrying of a firearm “on the Grounds or
    in any of the Capitol Buildings.” Class v. United States, ___ U.S. ___, ___ S. Ct.
    ___, No. 16-424, 
    2018 WL 987347
    , at *2 (Feb. 21, 2018). On appeal, the
    defendant argued that this statute violated the Second Amendment and the Due
    Process Clause. 
    Id. at *3
    . The Supreme Court concluded that the defendant’s
    2
    We review de novo whether a defendant’s unconditional guilty plea waives his right to
    bring a particular claim on appeal. See United v. Patti, 
    337 F.3d 1317
    , 1320 & n.4 (11th Cir.
    2003).
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    voluntary and unconditional guilty plea by itself did not waive his right to
    challenge on direct appeal the constitutionality of that statute of conviction. Id. at
    *4.
    Prior to Class, this Court had already reached the same conclusion in United
    States v. Saac, 
    632 F.3d 1203
    , 1208 (11th Cir. 2011) (concluding that the
    “defendants did not waive their argument” that Congress exceeded its authority
    under Article I, Section 8, Clause 10 of the Constitution when it enacted the Drug
    Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act, 
    18 U.S.C. § 2285
    , the statute of conviction,
    “insofar as this claim goes to the legitimacy of the offense that defendants’
    indictment charged”).
    Here, St. Hubert argues that he cannot be convicted under § 924(c)(3)(B)
    because that provision is unconstitutionally vague. Like the defendants in Class
    and Saac, St. Hubert’s guilty plea in this case does not bar his claim that this
    statute of conviction is unconstitutional.
    B.    Statutory Claim as to § 924(c)(3)(A)
    Neither Class nor Saac involved the other type of claim St. Hubert raises on
    appeal, a statutory claim about whether an offense qualifies under the remaining
    definition of crime of violence in § 924(c)(3)(A). Thus, these decisions do not
    directly answer the question of whether St. Hubert’s unconditional guilty plea
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    waived that statutory claim. To answer that question, we must determine the
    precise nature of St. Hubert’s statutory claim.
    St. Hubert pled guilty to using, carrying, and brandishing a firearm during
    two crimes of violence, affirmatively identified in the indictment as Hobbs Act
    robbery and attempted Hobbs Act robbery. St. Hubert claims that Hobbs Act
    robbery and attempted Hobbs Act robbery do not qualify as predicate crimes of
    violence under § 924(c)(3)(A), and thus he pled guilty to a non-offense that the
    government did not have the power to prosecute. St. Hubert argues this claim
    cannot be waived because it raises “jurisdictional” defects in his indictment.
    In response, the government contends that the district court had jurisdiction,
    i.e., the power to act, pursuant to 
    18 U.S.C. § 3231
     because St. Hubert’s indictment
    alleged violations of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c), a law of the United States, and whether
    Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery are crimes of violence under
    § 924(c)(3)(A) goes merely to the sufficiency of his indictment and raises only
    non-jurisdictional defects, which can be waived.
    Because the government relies on United States v. Cotton, 
    535 U.S. 625
    , 
    122 S. Ct. 1781
     (2002), we discuss it first. In Cotton, the defendants were charged with
    a cocaine conspiracy under 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 841
    (a)(1) and 846, but the indictment
    charged only a “detectable amount” of cocaine and cocaine base and not a
    threshold amount needed for enhanced penalties under § 841(b). 
    535 U.S. at
    627-
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    28, 
    122 S. Ct. at 1783
    . The Supreme Court had held in United States v. Booker,
    
    543 U.S. 220
    , 
    125 S. Ct. 738
     (2005), that if drug quantity is used to increase a
    defendant’s sentence above the statutory maximum sentence for an § 841 drug
    offense, then that drug quantity must be charged in the indictment and decided by a
    jury. 543 U.S. at 235-44, 125 S. Ct. at 751-56 (extending the holding of Apprendi
    v. New Jersey, 
    530 U.S. 466
    , 
    120 S. Ct. 2348
     (2000), to federal sentencing
    proceedings under the Sentencing Guidelines).
    In Cotton, the Supreme Court rejected the Fourth Circuit’s conclusion, based
    on Ex parte Bain, 
    121 U.S. 1
    , 
    7 S. Ct. 781
     (1887), that the omission of the drug-
    quantity element from the indictment was a jurisdictional defect that required
    vacating the defendants’ sentences. Cotton, 
    535 U.S. at 629
    , 
    122 S. Ct. at 1784
    .
    The Supreme Court explained that “Bain’s elastic concept of jurisdiction is not
    what the term ‘jurisdiction’ means today, i.e., the courts’ statutory or constitutional
    power to adjudicate the case.” 
    Id. at 630
    , 
    122 S. Ct. at 1785
     (internal quotation
    marks omitted). The Supreme Court pointed to several of its more contemporary
    cases, which the Court said stood for the broad proposition that defects in an
    indictment are not jurisdictional, as follows:
    Post-Bain cases confirm that defects in an indictment do not deprive a
    court of its power to adjudicate a case. In Lamar v. United States, 
    240 U.S. 60
    , 
    36 S. Ct. 255
    , 
    60 L.Ed. 526
     (1916), the Court rejected the
    claim that “the court had no jurisdiction because the indictment does
    not charge a crime against the United States.” 
    Id. at 64
    , 
    36 S. Ct. 255
    .
    Justice Holmes explained that a district court “has jurisdiction of all
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    crimes cognizable under the authority of the United States . . . [and]
    [t]he objection that the indictment does not charge a crime against the
    United States goes only to the merits of the case.” 
    Id. at 65
    , 
    36 S. Ct. 255
    . Similarly, United States v. Williams, 
    341 U.S. 58
    , 66, 
    71 S. Ct. 595
    , 
    95 L.Ed. 747
     (1951), held that a ruling “that the indictment is
    defective does not affect the jurisdiction of the trial court to determine
    the case presented by the indictment.”
    
    Id. at 630-31
    , 
    122 S. Ct. at 1785
    . The Supreme Court in Cotton concluded that
    “[i]nsofar as it held that a defective indictment deprives a court of jurisdiction,
    Bain is overruled.” 
    Id. at 631
    , 
    122 S. Ct. at 1785
    . Relying on Cotton, the
    government argues that St. Hubert’s claims that his indictment was defective are
    non-jurisdictional and waived.
    The problem for the government is that this Court has narrowly limited
    Cotton’s overruling of Bain and jurisdictional holding to only omission of elements
    from the indictment. See United States v. Peter, 
    310 F.3d 709
    , 713-14 (11th Cir.
    2002). In Peter, the defendant pled guilty to an indictment charging a Racketeer
    Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act conspiracy with the sole predicate act
    being mail fraud, in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 1341
    , by making misrepresentations
    on state license applications he mailed to a state agency. 
    Id. at 711, 715
    . Later, the
    Supreme Court in Cleveland v. United States, 
    531 U.S. 12
    , 
    121 S. Ct. 365
     (2000),
    held that state and municipal licenses did not qualify as “property in the hands of
    the victim” as required for the offense of mail fraud. Id. at 711. Therefore, Peter
    had pled guilty to the predicate act of alleged mail fraud in the very form held in
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    Cleveland not to constitute an offense under § 1341. Id. at 715. The Peter Court
    concluded that the defendant’s claim that his conduct was never a crime under
    § 1341 was a jurisdictional error and could not be procedurally defaulted. Id. at
    711-15. In reaching this conclusion, the Court in Peter relied on pre-Cotton
    precedent and concluded that “the decision in United States v. Meacham, 
    626 F.2d 503
     (5th Cir. 1980), establishes that a district court is without jurisdiction to accept
    a guilty plea to a ‘non-offense.’” Id. at 713 (footnote omitted). 3
    Based on our pre-Cotton precedent in Meacham, the Peter Court decided
    that when an indictment “affirmatively alleged a specific course of conduct that is
    outside the reach” of the statute of conviction—or stated another way, “alleges
    only a non-offense”—the district court has no jurisdiction to accept the guilty plea.
    Id. at 715 (holding that the pre-Cotton “rule of Meacham, that a district court lacks
    jurisdiction when an indictment alleges only a non-offense, controls” even after
    Cotton). In following Meacham, the Peter Court rejected the government’s claim
    that the language of Cotton rejected the rule of Meacham. Id. at 713. The Peter
    Court limited Cotton’s holding to an omission from the indictment, reasoning that
    “Cotton involved only an omission from the indictment: the failure to allege a fact
    3
    This Court adopted as binding precedent decisions of the former Fifth Circuit issued
    before October 1, 1981. See Bonner v. City of Prichard, 
    661 F.2d 1206
    , 1207 (11th Cir. 1981)
    (en banc).
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    requisite to the imposition of defendants’ sentences, namely, their trade in a
    threshold quantity of cocaine base.” Id. at 714.4
    Our best determination is that in this case we are bound by our circuit
    precedent in Peter. St. Hubert’s claim is not, as in Cotton, that his indictment
    omitted a necessary fact. Rather, like in Peter, the error asserted by St. Hubert is
    that “the indictment consisted only of specific conduct”—carrying, using, and
    brandishing a firearm during a Hobbs Act robbery and an attempted Hobbs Act
    robbery—that, according to St. Hubert, is “as a matter of law, . . . outside the
    sweep of the charging statute.” Id. at 714. Said another way, because “the
    Government affirmatively alleged a specific course of conduct that [at least in St.
    Hubert’s view] is outside the reach” of § 924(c)(3)(A), “the Government’s proof of
    th[at] alleged conduct, no matter how overwhelming, would have brought it no
    closer to showing the crime charged than would have no proof at all.” Id. at 715
    (emphasis added).
    Moreover, we see nothing in the Supreme Court’s recent Class decision that
    undermines Peter, much less undermines it to the point of abrogation. See United
    States v. Kaley, 
    579 F.3d 1246
    , 1255 (11th Cir. 2009) (explaining that for a
    subsequent Supreme Court opinion to abrogate our prior precedent, it must
    4
    We note that some Circuits have criticized and rejected Peter’s narrow reading of
    Cotton. See United States v. De Vaughn, 
    694 F.3d 1141
    , 1148 (10th Cir. 2012); United States v.
    Scruggs, 
    714 F.3d 258
    , 264 (5th Cir. 2013). Further, the Fifth Circuit, after Cotton, overruled
    Meacham. See United States v. Cothran, 
    302 F.3d 279
    , 283 (5th Cir. 2002).
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    “directly conflict with” that prior precedent). Indeed, while the Supreme Court in
    Class did not speak in terms of jurisdiction or jurisdictional indictment defects, it
    suggested, albeit in dicta, that a claim that the facts alleged in the indictment and
    admitted by the defendant do not constitute a crime at all cannot be waived by a
    defendant’s guilty plea because that kind of claim challenges the district court’s
    power to act. See Class, ___ U.S. at ___, ___ S. Ct. at ___, No. 16-424, 
    2018 WL 987347
    , at *5. Notably, the Supreme Court in Class, in its discussion of historical
    examples of claims not waived by a guilty plea, included cases in which the
    defendant argued that the charging document did not allege conduct that
    constituted a crime. 
    Id.
     at *5 (citing United States v. Ury, 
    106 F.2d 28
    , 28-30 (2d.
    Cir. 1939); Hocking Valley Ry. Co. v. United States, 
    210 F. 735
    , 738-39 (6th Cir.
    1914); Carper v. Ohio, 
    27 Ohio St. 572
    , 575-76 (1875); Commonwealth v. Hinds,
    
    101 Mass. 209
    , 210 (1869)). Thus, if anything, the dicta in Class supports Peter’s
    analysis.
    St. Hubert’s claim is that Counts 8 and 12 of the indictment failed to charge
    an offense against the laws of the United States because Hobbs Act robbery and
    attempted robbery are not crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A). Under Peter
    his challenge to his § 924(c) convictions on this ground is jurisdictional, and
    therefore we must conclude that St. Hubert did not waive it by pleading guilty.
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    Having concluded that neither of St. Hubert’s § 924(c) claims has been
    relinquished by his guilty plea, we now proceed to the merits of those claims.
    III.   HOBBS ACT ROBBERY IN COUNT 8
    A.    Section 924(c)(3)(A) and (B)
    For purposes of § 924(c), a predicate offense can qualify as a crime of
    violence under one of two definitions. Specifically, under § 924(c), a crime of
    violence is an offense that is a felony and that:
    (A)    has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of
    physical force against the person or property of another, or
    (B)    that by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force
    against the person or property of another may be used in the
    course of committing the offense.
    
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(3)(A), (B) (emphasis added). The first definition in
    § 924(c)(3)(A) is commonly referred to as the use-of-force clause. The second
    definition in § 924(c)(3)(B) is commonly referred to as the risk-of-force or residual
    clause. St. Hubert contends Hobbs Act robbery does not qualify under either
    definition in § 924(c)(3). We address the definitions separately.
    B.    Risk-of-Force Clause in § 924(c)(3)(B)
    As to the second definition, St. Hubert argues that Hobbs Act robbery no
    longer can qualify under the risk-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(B) because that
    definition is unconstitutional in light of Johnson v. United States, 576 U.S. ___,
    
    135 S. Ct. 2551
     (2015), in which the Supreme Court declared unconstitutionally
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    vague similar language in the “residual clause” of the Armed Career Criminal Act
    (“ACCA”), 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e)(2)(B)(ii). 5
    This Court has already rejected a Johnson-based void-for-vagueness
    challenge to § 924(c)(3)(B) in Ovalles v. United States, 
    861 F.3d 1257
     (11th Cir.
    2017). At the time Ovalles was decided, three other Circuits had already held that
    the Supreme Court’s Johnson decision did not invalidate the risk-of-force or
    residual clause in § 924(c)(3)(B). See Ovalles, 861 F.3d at 1265-66 (following the
    Second, Sixth, and Eighth Circuits).6 Since Ovalles, the D.C. Circuit also has held
    that Johnson did not invalidate § 924(c)(3)(B) and that § 924(c)(3)(B) is
    constitutional. See United States v. Eshetu, 
    863 F.3d 946
    , 952-55 (D.C. Cir.
    2017); see also United States v. Jones, 
    854 F.3d 737
    , 740 (5th Cir. 2017).
    In so holding, the Ovalles Court stressed the differences, both textual and
    contextual, between the ACCA’s residual clause and § 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force
    clause, including: (1) § 924(c)’s distinct purpose of punishing firearm use “in the
    5
    The ACCA’s residual clause defines a “violent felony” as an offense that “is burglary,
    arson, or extortion, involves use of explosives, or otherwise involves conduct that presents a
    serious potential risk of physical injury to another.” 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e)(2)(B)(ii) (emphasis
    added).
    6
    The Ovalles Court followed United States v. Prickett, 
    839 F.3d 697
    , 699-700 (8th Cir.
    2016); United States v. Hill, 
    832 F.3d 135
    , 145-49 (2d Cir. 2016); and United States v. Taylor,
    
    814 F.3d 340
    , 375-79 (6th Cir. 2016), petition for cert. filed (U.S., Oct. 12, 2016 )(No. 16-6392).
    In Ovalles, the government and the Federal Public Defender who represented the 
    28 U.S.C. § 2255
     movant fully briefed these circuit decisions, which had analyzed at length the Johnson
    issue as to the continuing validity of § 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force clause. The Ovalles Court set
    forth at length the reasoning of these other circuits, which the Court adopted, and we do not need
    to set forth their reasoning again here.
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    course of committing” a specific, and contemporaneous, companion crime rather
    than recidivism; (2) § 924(c)(3)(B)’s more concrete and predictable requirement
    that the “risk” of force must arise within that contemporaneous crime charged in
    the same federal indictment, rather than the ACCA’s evaluation of the risk
    presented by prior state crimes committed long ago under divergent state laws; and
    (3) the fact that the § 924(c)(3)(B) determination was freed from comparison to a
    “confusing list of exemplar crimes” like that found in the ACCA’s residual clause.
    Ovalles, 861 F.3d at 1263-66. Based on these and other material differences
    between the two statutes, the Court in Ovalles concluded that the risk-of-force or
    residual clause in § 924(c)(3)(B) remains valid after Johnson. Id. at 1267.
    Under our prior panel precedent rule, we are bound to follow Ovalles and
    conclude that St. Hubert’s constitutional challenge to § 924(c)(3)(B) lacks merit.
    See Archer, 531 F.3d at 1352. St. Hubert does not deny that Hobbs Act robbery
    qualifies as a crime of violence if that risk-of-force or residual clause in
    § 924(c)(3)(B) is constitutional. Thus, we affirm St. Hubert’s convictions and
    sentences based on Ovalles.
    C.    Use-of-Force Clause in § 924(c)(3)(A)
    Even assuming that Ovalles is not binding and that Johnson invalidated
    § 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force clause as unconstitutionally vague, we conclude St.
    Hubert’s challenge to his first § 924(c) conviction (Count 8) fails because this
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    Court has already held that Hobbs Act robbery (the predicate for Count 8)
    independently qualifies as a crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force
    clause. See In re Saint Fleur, 
    824 F.3d 1337
    , 1340-41 (11th Cir. 2016) (addressing
    Hobbs Act robbery); In re Colon, 
    826 F.3d 1301
    , 1305 (11th Cir. 2016)
    (addressing aiding and abetting Hobbs Act robbery). Accordingly, as an
    independent and alternative ground for affirmance, we hold that St. Hubert’s
    Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-
    force clause, and thus we affirm his first § 924(c) conviction in Count 8.
    St. Hubert argues that Saint Fleur and Colon are not binding precedent in his
    direct appeal because they were adjudications of applications for leave to file a
    second or successive § 2255 motion. St. Hubert refers to these adjudications as
    “SOS applications” and as decisions “occurring in a procedurally distinct context.”
    We reject that claim because this Court has already held that “our prior-panel-
    precedent rule applies with equal force as to prior panel decisions published in the
    context of applications to file second or successive petitions. In other words,
    published three-judge orders issued under § 2244(b) are binding precedent in our
    circuit.” In re Lambrix, 
    776 F.3d 789
    , 794 (11th Cir. 2015); see also In re Hill, 
    777 F.3d 1214
    , 1223-24 (11th Cir. 2015).
    St. Hubert next argues that these Lambrix and Hill decisions themselves
    involved second or successive applications and thus cannot bind this Court in St.
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    Hubert’s direct appeal. We disagree because the rulings in Lambrix and Hill were
    squarely about the legal issue of whether the prior panel precedent rule
    encompasses earlier published three-judge orders under § 2244(b). Lest there be
    any doubt, we now hold in this direct appeal that law established in published
    three-judge orders issued pursuant to 
    28 U.S.C. § 2244
    (b) in the context of
    applications for leave to file second or successive § 2255 motions are binding
    precedent on all subsequent panels of this Court, including those reviewing direct
    appeals and collateral attacks, “unless and until [they are] overruled or undermined
    to the point of abrogation by the Supreme Court or by this court sitting en banc.”
    See Archer, 531 F.3d at 1352.7
    Accordingly, in this direct appeal, this panel is bound by Saint Fleur and
    Colon and concludes that St. Hubert’s Hobbs Act robbery is a crime of violence
    under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause. 8
    7
    St. Hubert points to language in some of our successive application decisions stating that
    this Court’s determination under 
    28 U.S.C. §§ 2244
    (b)(3)(C) and 2255(h) that an applicant has
    made a prima facie showing that his application contains a claim meeting the statutory criteria
    does not bind the district court. See, e.g., In re Jackson, 
    826 F.3d 1343
    , 1351 (11th Cir. 2016).
    These decisions do not in any way contradict Lambrix and Hill, but rather stand for the
    unexceptional proposition that given the “limited determination” involved in finding that an
    applicant has made a prima facie showing, the district courts must consider the merits of the
    now-authorized successive § 2255 motion de novo. See In re Moss, 
    703 F.3d 1301
    , 1302 (11th
    Cir. 2013) (explaining that whether an application “made a prima facie showing” is a “limited
    determination on our part, and, as we have explained before, the district court is to decide the
    § 2255(h) issues fresh, or in the legal vernacular, de novo” (alterations and internal quotation
    marks omitted)).
    8
    The government also relies on St. Hubert’s sentence appeal waiver. St. Hubert responds
    that the sentence appeal waiver does not preclude his challenge to his § 924(c) convictions and
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    IV. ATTEMPTED ROBBERY IN COUNT 12
    We now turn to St. Hubert’s second § 924(c) conviction (Count 12), where
    the predicate offense is attempted Hobbs Act robbery. Our circuit precedent has
    not squarely ruled on that precise offense. Nonetheless, Saint Fleur and Colon are
    our starting point for that crime too.
    St. Hubert’s brief argues that Saint Fleur and Colon are inconsistent with the
    Supreme Court’s decisions in Descamps v. United States, Mathis v. United States,
    Moncrieffe v. Holder and Leocal v. Ashcroft, which applied the categorical
    approach.9 St. Hubert contends that when the categorical approach is properly
    applied, Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery fail to qualify as crimes of
    violence because these offenses can be committed by putting a victim in “fear of
    injury, immediate or future” and do not require a threat of physical force.
    We agree that the Supreme Court’s discussion of the categorical approach in
    these decisions is relevant to St. Hubert’s appeal, which is why, in analyzing his
    attempted Hobbs Act robbery, as well as his Hobbs Act robbery, we take time to
    apply the categorical approach to the applicable statutes in more detail than Saint
    sentences because his claim is jurisdictional and because he is “actually innocent of violating 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c).” If his convictions are valid, St. Hubert does not dispute his consecutive
    sentences were required by § 924(c). Given that St. Hubert’s claims on appeal as to his
    convictions fail on the merits, we need not address his sentence appeal waiver.
    9
    Mathis v. United States, 579 U.S. ___, 
    136 S. Ct. 2243
     (2016); Descamps v. United
    States, 
    570 U.S. 254
    , 
    133 S. Ct. 2276
     (2013); Moncrieffe v. Holder, 
    569 U.S. 184
    , 
    133 S. Ct. 1678
     (2013); Leocal v. Ashcroft, 
    543 U.S. 1
    , 
    125 S. Ct. 377
     (2004).
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    Fleur and Colon did.10 First, we compare the statutory texts of § 1951 and
    § 924(c)(3)(A), and then set forth the tenets of the categorical approach.
    A.     Statutory Text and Categorical Approach
    The Hobbs Act provides that:
    Whoever in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce
    or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce, by
    robbery or extortion or attempts or conspires so to do, or commits or
    threatens physical violence to any person or property in furtherance of
    a plan or purpose to do anything in violation of this section shall be
    fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or
    both.
    
    18 U.S.C. § 1951
    (a) (emphasis added). The text of the Hobbs Act proscribes both
    robbery and extortion. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 1951
    (a), (b)(1)-(2).
    10
    Mathis and Descamps addressed burglary under the enumerated crimes clause of the
    ACCA’s violent felony definition, not the definition of crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s
    use-of-force clause. See Mathis, 579 U.S. at ___, 136 S. Ct. at 2248; Descamps, 570 U.S. at 258,
    133 S. Ct. at 2282. Similarly, Moncrieffe and Leocal, which involved immigration removal
    proceedings, addressed different predicate offenses and statutory provisions from this case. See
    Moncrieffe, 
    569 U.S. at 189
    , 133 S. Ct. at 1683; Leocal, 
    543 U.S. at 3-4
    , 
    125 S. Ct. at 379
    .
    Moncrieffe addressed whether a prior state drug conviction qualified as a “drug trafficking
    crime” under § 924(c)(2) and, therefore, as an “aggravated felony” under the Immigration and
    Nationality Act (“INA”). Moncrieffe, 569 U.S at 187-90, 133 S. Ct. at 1682-84. And Leocal
    addressed whether a prior conviction for driving under the influence qualified as a “crime of
    violence” under 
    18 U.S.C. § 16
     and, therefore, as an “aggravated felony” under the INA. Leocal,
    
    543 U.S. at 3-6
    , 
    125 S. Ct. at 379-80
    ;
    While these decisions are relevant to our analytical approach, they did not involve Hobbs
    Act robbery or attempted robbery, or the use-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(A), and thus are not
    clearly on point here. See United States v. Lopez, 
    562 F.3d 1309
    , 1312 (11th Cir. 2009);
    Atlantic Sounding Co. v. Townsend, 
    496 F.3d 1282
    , 1284 (11th Cir. 2007) (explaining that “a
    later panel may depart from an earlier panel’s decision only when the intervening Supreme Court
    decision is ‘clearly on point’” and that when only the reasoning, and not the holding, of the
    intervening Supreme Court decision “is at odds with that of our prior decision” there is “no basis
    for a panel to depart from our prior decision”). For this reason, we disagree with St. Hubert’s
    suggestion that we may disregard Saint Fleur and Colon in light of these Supreme Court
    decisions.
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    We agree with the Sixth Circuit’s conclusion that (1) the Hobbs Act is a
    divisible statute that sets out multiple crimes, and (2) robbery and extortion are
    distinct offenses, not merely alternative means of violating § 1951(a). See United
    States v. Gooch, 
    850 F.3d 285
    , 290-92 (6th Cir.) (discussing Mathis, 579 U.S. __,
    
    136 S. Ct. 2243
    ), cert. denied, 
    137 S. Ct. 2230
     (2017). Under the categorical
    approach, we thus consider only the portion of the Hobbs Act defining “robbery”
    for the elements of St. Hubert’s predicate offenses. 11 See Mathis, 579 U.S. at __,
    136 S. Ct. at 2248.
    “Robbery” under the Hobbs Act is defined as:
    [T]he unlawful taking or obtaining of personal property from the
    person or in the presence of another, against his will, by means of
    actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or
    future, to his person or property, or property in his custody or
    possession, or the person or property of a relative or member of his
    family or of anyone in his company at the time of the taking or
    obtaining.
    
    18 U.S.C. § 1951
    (b)(1). A conviction for Hobbs Act robbery by definition requires
    “actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or future,
    to . . . person or property.” 
    Id.
     § 1951(b)(1) (emphasis added). Similarly,
    § 924(c)(3)(A) refers to the “use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force
    against person or property.” 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(3)(A) (emphasis added).
    11
    Notably too, St. Hubert acknowledges that the predicate crimes of violence for his
    § 924(c) convictions were Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery. He has made no argument
    about extortion.
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    We also point out, and St. Hubert agrees, that the definition of “robbery” in
    § 1951(b)(1) is indivisible because it sets out alternative means of committing
    robbery, rather than establishing multiple different robbery crimes. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 1951
    (b)(1); Mathis, 579 U.S. at __, 136 S. Ct. at 2248-49 (describing the
    difference between divisible and indivisible statutes). Accordingly, we apply the
    categorical approach in analyzing whether St. Hubert’s Hobbs Act robbery and
    attempted robbery offenses qualify as crimes of violence under § 924(c). See
    Mathis, 579 U.S. at __, 136 S. Ct. at 2248-49 (explaining that, in the ACCA
    context, indivisible statutes must be analyzed using the categorical approach); see
    also United States v. McGuire, 
    706 F.3d 1333
    , 1336-37 (11th Cir. 2013) (applying
    the categorical approach in the § 924(c) context).
    In applying the categorical approach, we look only to the elements of the
    predicate offense statute and do not look at the particular facts of the defendant’s
    offense conduct. See, e.g., United States v. Keelan, 
    786 F.3d 865
    , 870-71 (11th
    Cir. 2015) (“Under the categorical approach, a court must look to the elements and
    the nature of the offense of conviction, rather than to the particular facts of the
    defendant’s record of conviction.” (quotation marks omitted)). In doing so, “we
    must presume that the conviction rested upon [nothing] more than the least of th[e]
    acts criminalized, and then determine whether even those acts” qualify as crimes of
    violence. See Moncrieffe, 
    569 U.S. at 190-91
    , 133 S. Ct. at 1684 (quotation marks
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    omitted). Thus, under the categorical approach, each of the means of committing
    Hobbs Act robbery—“actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury”—
    must qualify under the use-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(A).
    Reaching the same conclusion as Saint Fleur, four other circuits have
    applied the categorical approach, listing each of these means, and concluded that
    Hobbs Act robbery is categorically a crime of violence under the use-of-force
    clause in § 924(c)(3)(A). See Gooch, 850 F.3d at 291-92; United States v. Rivera,
    
    847 F.3d 847
    , 848-49 (7th Cir. 2017); United States v. Anglin, 
    846 F.3d 954
    , 964-
    65 (7th Cir.), cert. granted & judgment vacated on other grounds, 
    138 S. Ct. 126
    (2017); United States v. Hill, 
    832 F.3d 135
    , 140-44 (2d Cir. 2016); United States v.
    House, 
    825 F.3d 381
    , 387 (8th Cir. 2016). 12
    B.     St. Hubert’s Main Argument: Fear of Injury to Person or Property
    Despite this precedent, St. Hubert’s main argument is that (1) the least of the
    acts criminalized in § 1951(b)(1) is “fear of injury,” and (2) a Hobbs Act robbery
    “by means of fear of injury” can be committed without the use, attempted use, or
    threatened use of any physical force. Although bound by Saint Fleur and Colon in
    this regard, we take time to outline why St. Hubert’s argument fails.
    12
    The Third Circuit also has concluded that Hobbs Act robbery is a crime of violence
    under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause, but the majority opinion did so applying the modified
    categorical approach. See United States v. Robinson, 
    844 F.3d 137
    , 141-44 (3rd Cir. 2016), cert.
    denied, 
    138 S. Ct. 215
     (2017); 
    id. at 150-51
     (Fuentes, J., concurring) (“Hobbs Act robbery is
    categorically a crime of violence under Section 924(c)(3)). We discuss the Third Circuit’s
    approach at the end of this opinion.
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    First, this argument is inconsistent not only with Saint Fleur and Colon, but
    also with our precedent in In re Sams, 
    830 F.3d 1234
    , 1238-39 (11th Cir. 2016)
    and United States v. Moore, 
    43 F.3d 568
    , 572-73 (11th Cir. 1994), in which this
    Court concluded that federal bank robbery “by intimidation,” in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 2113
    (a), and federal carjacking “by intimidation,” in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 2119
    , both have as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of
    physical force and thus qualify as crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A). See
    also United States v. Robinson, 
    844 F.3d 137
    , 151 n.28 (3d Cir. 2016) (Fuentes, J.,
    concurring) (applying the categorical approach and equating “intimidation” in the
    federal bank robbery statute with “fear of injury” in Hobbs Act robbery, noting that
    the legislative history of § 924(c) identified federal bank robbery as the
    prototypical crime of violence, and reasoning that Congress therefore intended
    § 924(c)’s physical force element to be satisfied by intimidation or fear of injury),
    cert. denied, 
    138 S. Ct. 215
     (2017); United States v. Gutierrez, 
    876 F.3d 1254
    ,
    1257 (9th Cir. 2017) (holding “intimidation as used in the federal bank robbery
    statute requires that a person take property in such a way that would put an
    ordinary, reasonable person in fear of bodily harm, which necessarily entails the
    threatened use of physical force” (quotation marks omitted)).
    Second, we agree with the Second Circuit’s decision in Hill, which
    explained why that court rejected the argument, like St. Hubert’s, that one could
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    commit Hobbs Act robbery by “putting the victim in fear” without any physical
    force or threat of physical force. Hill, 832 F.3d at 141-43. The Second Circuit
    noted that a hypothetical nonviolent violation of the statute, without evidence of
    actual application of the statute to such conduct, is insufficient to show a “realistic
    probability” that Hobbs Act robbery could encompass nonviolent conduct.13 Id. at
    139-40, 142-43. The Second Circuit added that “there must be ‘a realistic
    probability, not a theoretical possibility,’ that the statute at issue could be applied
    to conduct that does not constitute a crime of violence,” and, to that end, “a
    defendant ‘must at least point to his own case or other cases in which the . . . courts
    in fact did apply the statute in the . . . manner for which he argues.’” Id. at 140
    (quoting in part Gonzales v. Duenas-Alvarez, 
    549 U.S. 183
    , 193, 
    127 S. Ct. 815
    ,
    822 (2007)); see also United States v. McGuire, 
    706 F.3d 1333
    , 1337 (11th Cir.
    2013) (citing Duenas-Alvarez and explaining that to determine whether an offense
    is categorically a crime of violence under § 924(c), courts must consider whether
    “the plausible applications of the statute of conviction all require the use or
    threatened use of force . . . .” (emphasis added)).
    St. Hubert has not pointed to any case at all, much less one in which the
    Hobbs Act applied to a robbery or attempted robbery, that did not involve, at a
    13
    The hypotheticals that the defendant in Hill suggested would violate the Hobbs Act but
    would not involve use or threatened use of physical force were: threatening to throw paint on a
    victim’s car or house, threatening to pour chocolate syrup on the victim’s passport, and
    threatening to withhold vital medicine from the victim or to poison him. Hill, 832 F.3d at 141-
    42. Here, St. Hubert’s briefing poses similar hypotheticals to the defendant in Hill.
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    minimum, a threat to use physical force. Indeed, St. Hubert does not offer a
    plausible scenario, and we can think of none, in which a Hobbs Act robber could
    take property from the victim against his will and by putting the victim in fear of
    injury (to his person or property) without at least threatening to use physical force
    capable of causing such injury. See Curtis Johnson v. United States, 559 U.S 133,
    140, 
    130 S. Ct. 1265
    , 1271 (2010) (stating that the phrase “physical force” as used
    in the ACCA’s “violent felony” definition means “violent force—that is, force
    capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person”). 14
    Having applied the categorical approach and explained why Saint Fleur and
    Colon properly concluded that Hobbs Act robbery is a crime of violence under
    § 924(c)(3)(A), we now turn to the attempt element of St. Hubert’s attempted
    Hobbs Act robbery.
    14
    In citing Curtis Johnson, we note that it was an ACCA case where the use-of-force
    clause in the definition of violent felony required that the physical force be “against the person of
    another” only. 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e)(2)(B)(i); Curtis Johnson, 
    559 U.S. at 135-36
    , 
    130 S. Ct. at 1268
    .
    In contrast, § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause in the definition of crime of violence is
    broader and includes threatened physical force “against the person or property of another.” 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(3)(A). As discussed above, the definition of robbery in the Hobbs Act parallels
    § 924(c)(3)(A), as it likewise refers to actual or threatened force against a person or property.
    See Robinson, 844 F.3d at 144. Thus, in the § 924(c) context, Curtis Johnson may be of limited
    value in assessing the quantum of force necessary to qualify as a “use, attempted use, or
    threatened use of physical force” against property within the meaning of § 924(c)(3)(A).
    Nonetheless, even strictly applying Curtis Johnson’s definition of physical force, we conclude
    that Hobbs Act robbery categorically qualifies as a crime of violence.
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    C.    Attempt Crimes
    While this Court has not yet addressed attempted Hobbs Act robbery, the
    definition of a crime of violence in the use-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(A)
    explicitly includes offenses that have as an element the “attempted use” or
    “threatened use” of physical force against the person or property of another. See
    
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(3)(A). Moreover, the Hobbs Act itself prohibits attempts to
    commit Hobbs Act robbery, and such attempts are subject to the same penalties as
    completed Hobbs Act robberies. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 1951
    (a).
    To be convicted of an “attempt,” a defendant must: (1) have the specific
    intent to engage in the criminal conduct with which he is charged; and (2) have
    taken a substantial step toward the commission of the offense that strongly
    corroborates his criminal intent. United States v. Jockisch, 
    857 F.3d 1122
    , 1129
    (11th Cir.), cert. denied, 
    138 S. Ct. 284
     (2017); United States v. Yost, 
    479 F.3d 815
    , 819 (11th Cir. 2007). “A substantial step can be shown when the defendant’s
    objective acts mark his conduct as criminal and, as a whole, ‘strongly corroborate
    the required culpability.’” Yost, 
    479 F.3d at 819
     (quoting United States v. Murrell,
    
    368 F.3d 1283
    , 1288 (11th Cir. 2004)).
    Like substantive Hobbs Act robbery, attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies
    as a crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause because that
    clause expressly includes “attempted use” of force. Therefore, if, as this Court has
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    held, the taking of property from a person against his will in the forcible manner
    required by § 1951(b)(1) necessarily includes the use, attempted use, or threatened
    use of physical force, then by extension the attempted taking of such property from
    a person in the same manner must also include at least the “attempted use” of
    force. Cf. United States v. Wade, 
    458 F.3d 1273
    , 1278 (11th Cir. 2006)
    (explaining that an attempt to commit a crime enumerated as a violent felony under
    § 924(e)(2)(B)(ii) is also a violent felony); see also Hill v. United States, 
    877 F.3d 717
    , 718-19 (7th Cir. 2017) (“When a substantive offense would be a violent
    felony under § 924(e) and similar statutes, an attempt to commit that offense also is
    a violent felony.”); United States v. Armour, 
    840 F.3d 904
    , 908-09 (7th Cir. 2016)
    (holding that attempted armed bank robbery qualifies as a crime of violence under
    § 924(c)(3)(A)).
    In reaching this conclusion, we note the Seventh Circuit’s analysis about
    why it concluded that an attempt to commit a violent felony under the ACCA is
    also a violent felony. See Hill, 877 F.3d at 719. As to attempt crimes, the Seventh
    Circuit observed in Hill that: (1) a defendant must intend to commit every element
    of the completed crime in order to be guilty of attempt, and (2) thus, “an attempt to
    commit a crime should be treated as an attempt to commit every element of that
    crime.” Id. Also as to attempt crimes, the Seventh Circuit explained that “[w]hen
    the intent element of the attempt offense includes intent to commit violence against
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    the person of another, . . . it makes sense to say that the attempt crime itself
    includes violence as an element.” Id. Importantly too, the Seventh Circuit then
    pointed out that the elements clause in the text of § 924(e) equates actual force
    with attempted force, and this means that the attempted use of physical force
    against the person of another suffices and that the text of § 924(e) thus tells us that
    actual force need not be used for a crime to qualify under the ACCA. Id. “Given
    the statutory specification that an element of attempted force operates the same as
    an element of completed force, and the rule that conviction of attempt requires
    proof of intent to commit all elements of the completed crime,” the Seventh Circuit
    concluded that when a substantive offense qualifies as a violent felony under the
    ACCA, an attempt to commit that offense also is a violent felony. See id.
    Analogously here, substantive Hobbs Act robbery itself qualifies as a crime
    of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A) and, therefore, attempt to commit Hobbs Act
    robbery requires that St. Hubert intended to commit every element of Hobbs Act
    robbery, including the taking of property in a forcible manner. Similar to Hill’s
    analysis, the definition of a crime of violence in § 924(c)(3)(A) equates the use of
    force with attempted force, and thus the text of § 924(c)(3)(A) makes clear that
    actual force need not be used for a crime to qualify under § 924(c)(3)(A). Thus,
    under Hill’s analysis, given § 924(c)’s “statutory specification that an element of
    attempted force operates the same as an element of completed force, and the rule
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    that conviction of attempt requires proof of intent to commit all elements of the
    completed crime,” attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime of violence
    under § 924(c)(3)(A) as well.
    Accordingly, as an alternative and independent ground, we conclude that
    St. Hubert’s predicate offense of attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime
    of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause, which remains unaffected
    by Johnson, and we thus affirm St. Hubert’s second § 924(c) firearm conviction in
    Count 12. 15
    V. MODIFIED CATEGORICAL APPROACH
    Although under our precedent we have applied and base our holding on the
    categorical approach, we pause to mention another approach that makes good
    sense. The Third Circuit has aptly explained why a modified categorical approach
    is more appropriate in § 924(c) firearm cases, where the federal district court
    evaluates a contemporaneous federal crime charged in the same indictment and has
    an already developed factual record as to both offenses. In United States v.
    Robinson, the Third Circuit, like five other circuits, held that Hobbs Act robbery is
    a crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A). 844 F.3d at 141.
    15
    As with Count 8 (with a Hobbs Act robbery predicate), we alternatively affirm St.
    Hubert’s conviction on Count 12 (with an attempted Hobbs Act robbery predicate) based on the
    residual clause in § 924(c)(3)(B). See Ovalles, 861 F.3d at 1267.
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    In doing so, the Third Circuit first pointed out that the categorical approach
    emerged as a means of judicial analysis in Taylor v. United States, 
    495 U.S. 575
    ,
    
    110 S. Ct. 2143
     (1990), because the ACCA requires courts to examine prior
    “violent felonies” that are “often adjudicated by different courts in proceedings that
    occurred long before the defendant’s sentencing.” Robinson, 844 F.3d at 142. In
    Taylor, the two prior convictions at issue were adjudicated in Missouri courts over
    17 years before the defendant’s ACCA sentencing proceeding. Taylor, 
    495 U.S. at
    578 & n.1, 
    110 S. Ct. at
    2148 & n.1. The Third Circuit stressed that the Supreme
    Court’s Taylor decision recognized that determining the precise facts of an old
    conviction “could require a sentencing court to engage in evidentiary inquiries
    based on what occurred at a trial in the distant past.” Robinson, 844 F.3d at 142.
    The Third Circuit explained that the “practical difficulties and potential unfairness”
    of engaging in a factual inquiry in part led the Supreme Court to adopt its
    elements-based approach to determining whether a prior state conviction qualifies
    as a violent felony under the ACCA. Id. at 141-42 (quotation marks omitted).
    The Third Circuit then contrasted the material differences between the
    ACCA and § 924(c) and determined that “[t]he remedial effect of [that] approach
    is not necessary” in § 924(c) cases for several reasons. Id. at 141-43. For
    example, in § 924(c) cases, the predicate offense and the § 924(c) offense are
    companion contemporaneous crimes, charged in the same indictment before the
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    same federal judge; whereas the ACCA involves a prior crime committed long ago
    in different state jurisdictions with divergent laws. Id. at 141, 143. The Third
    Circuit explained that, unlike in the ACCA context, in § 924(c) cases, “the record
    of all necessary facts are before the [federal] district court” as to both offenses. Id.
    at 141. Consequently, the contemporaneous Ҥ 924(c) conviction will shed light
    on the means by which the predicate offense was committed.” Id. at 143.
    Furthermore, the Third Circuit concluded that “[t]he defendant suffers no
    prejudice” when a court looks to the defendant’s contemporaneous § 924(c)
    conviction to determine the basis for his predicate offense “because the [federal]
    court is not finding any new facts which are not of record in the case before it.” Id.
    Rather, it is instead relying only on those facts “that have either been found by the
    jury or admitted by the defendant in a plea” before the federal court. Id. The Third
    Circuit therefore concluded that “analyzing a § 924(c) predicate offense in a
    vacuum is unwarranted when the convictions of contemporaneous offenses, read
    together, necessarily support the determination that the predicate offense was
    committed with the ‘use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against
    the person or property of another.’” Id. (quoting 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (c)(3)(A)).
    In Robinson, the Third Circuit also recognized (1) that, like the definition of
    violent felony in the ACCA, the definition of crime of violence in § 924(c) “still
    directs courts to look at the elements of an offense”; (2) that Hobbs Act robbery is
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    defined as taking property from a person against his will “by means of actual or
    threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or future, to his person
    or property”; (3) that the minimum conduct criminalized in the statute is “fear of
    injury”; and (4) that the defendant in Robinson posed hypotheticals where a threat
    is made to throw paint on a house, pour chocolate syrup on a passport, or to take an
    intangible economic interest without any use of physical force. Id. at 143-44
    (emphasis omitted). While describing Robinson’s counsel as “creative,” the Third
    Circuit stressed that the § 924(c) firearm statute requires that the firearm be used or
    brandished “in the course of committing” the crime of violence. Id. at 140, 144
    (emphasis added). The Third Circuit reasoned that “from the two convictions
    combined, we know that in committing robbery Robinson (1) used or threatened
    force, violence, or injury to person or property, and (2) used a firearm in order to
    intimidate a person.” Id. at 144. The Third Circuit rejected Robinson’s “far-
    fetched scenarios” in his case because “the combined convictions before [the court]
    make clear that the ‘actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury’ in
    Robinson’s Hobbs Act robbery sprang from the barrel of a gun.” Id. (emphasis
    added).
    The same is true in St. Hubert’s case. Indeed, in his guilty plea before the
    district court, St. Hubert admitted that he used a firearm in both robberies and even
    held a firearm against the side of one employee during the attempted robbery on
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    January 27. Thus, St. Hubert’s combined contemporaneous crimes (firearm
    offense and Hobbs Act robbery or attempted robbery) charged in a single
    indictment before the same district court made clear that the actual or threatened
    force or violence or fear of injury in St. Hubert’s robbery and attempted robbery
    sprang from the barrel of a gun. We agree with the Third Circuit that the firearm’s
    presence should not be ignored in determining whether a defendant is guilty of a
    § 924(c) offense.
    Nonetheless, under our precedent we must apply only the categorical
    approach and “must close our eyes as judges to what we know as men and
    women.” United States v. Davis, 
    875 F.3d 592
    , 595 (11th Cir. 2017). The
    categorical approach serves a purpose when evaluating prior state convictions
    committed long ago in fifty state jurisdictions with divergent laws. But, as the
    Third Circuit has shown, the modified categorical approach is more appropriate in
    § 924(c) cases when a federal district court is looking at combined
    contemporaneous federal crimes, and the full record of both crimes is directly
    before the district court.
    VI. SESSIONS V. DIMAYA
    Finally, we note that, before oral argument in this appeal, St. Hubert moved
    this Court to stay his appeal pending the outcome of the Supreme Court’s decision
    in Sessions v. Dimaya, No. 15-1498 (U.S., argued Oct. 2, 2017), in which the
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    Supreme Court will address whether the residual clause in 
    18 U.S.C. § 16
    (b), as
    incorporated into the Immigration and Nationality Act (“INA”), is
    unconstitutionally vague. Before oral argument, we denied St. Hubert’s motion for
    a stay. There are several reasons why Dimaya is inapposite here.
    First, Dimaya deals with a different substantive section than St. Hubert’s
    crime. Although § 16(b) contains a similarly worded provision, § 16(b), as
    incorporated into the INA, operates in a materially different context from § 924(c)
    because § 16(b), in the immigration context, (like the ACCA) applies to remote
    prior convictions, rather than to contemporaneous companion offenses charged in
    the same indictment and requiring a specified nexus to the use, carrying, or
    possession of a firearm. Federal courts can more manageably and predictably
    evaluate the predicate contemporaneous crime of violence in the § 924(c) context
    than in the immigration (or ACCA) context, which involves remote prior
    convictions under divergent state laws with no nexus to the instant federal
    proceeding.
    Second, the role that the categorical analysis fulfills for § 924(c) is far more
    limited than for the ACCA and § 16(b) in the immigration context because
    § 924(c) applies to only federal crimes. See United States v. Gonzales, 
    520 U.S. 1
    ,
    5, 
    117 S. Ct. 1032
    , 1035 (1997) (“Congress explicitly limited the scope of the
    phrase ‘any crime of violence or drug trafficking crime’ [in § 924(c)] to those ‘for
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    which [a defendant] may be prosecuted in a court of the United States.’” (second
    alteration in original)).
    Third, in the ACCA and § 16(b) immigration context, federal courts must try
    to “discern some sort of cross-jurisdictional common character for an offense that
    could be articulated fifty different ways by fifty different States.” United States v.
    Eshetu, 
    863 F.3d 946
    , 960 (D.C. Cir. 2017) (Millett, J., concurring in part and
    concurring in the judgment that conspiracy to commit Hobbs Act robbery is a
    crime of violence under § 924(c)). In contrast, in § 924(c) cases, as explained
    above, federal courts are evaluating a contemporaneous companion federal crime
    in the same indictment where the relevant record is directly before the district
    court. As one judge adroitly explained:
    Section 924(c), in other words, simply does not require courts to
    overlay a categorical analysis on top of such broad variation in the
    nature, elements, and contours of the predicate crimes, and courts will
    confront less variation in how offense conduct is commonly
    manifested. The courts will also be dealing with a body of federal law
    with which they are more experienced.
    Id. In § 924(c) cases “there is already jurisprudential scaffolding that gives
    structure to the Section 924(c) inquiry.” Id.
    For these reasons, we conclude that no matter the outcome about § 16(b)’s
    residual clause in Dimaya, St. Hubert’s § 924(c) convictions and sentences must be
    affirmed under both clauses in § 924(c)(3)(A) and (B).
    AFFIRMED.
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