People v. McGlaughlin , 428 P.3d 691 ( 2018 )


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    SUMMARY
    August 9, 2018
    2018COA114
    No. 15CA2008, People v. McGlaughlin — Civil Procedure — Law
    Student Practice; Constitutional Law — Sixth Amendment —
    Right to Counsel
    As a matter of first impression, the division holds that when a
    criminal defendant is represented by a student attorney under
    C.R.C.P. 205.7, a supervising attorney must be physically present
    in the courtroom during all critical stages of the criminal case. If
    the supervising attorney is not present during a critical stage, the
    defendant is denied his Sixth Amendment right to counsel. The
    division further holds that all other violations of C.R.C.P. 205.7 are
    properly analyzed under the test for ineffective assistance of counsel
    announced in Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    (1984).
    The majority concludes that the record in this Crim. P. 35(c)
    motion did not clearly establish that the supervising attorney was
    present during defendant’s plea hearing. The case is therefore
    reversed and remanded to the postconviction court for an
    evidentiary hearing and further findings.
    The dissent defers to the postconviction court’s findings of fact
    that (1) the public defender was present in the courtroom during
    defendant’s guilty plea and (2) the public defender adequately
    supervised the student attorney. It therefore determines the record
    supported the postconviction court’s conclusion that defendant did
    not show, under 
    Strickland, 466 U.S. at 687
    , that he had been
    prejudiced by violations of C.R.C.P. 205.7. As a result, the dissent
    would hold that the postconviction court did not err when it denied
    defendant’s Crim. P. 35(c) motion without a hearing.
    COLORADO COURT OF APPEALS                                        2018COA114
    Court of Appeals No. 15CA2008
    Boulder County District Court Nos. 12CR245, 12M689 & 12M1067
    Honorable Ingrid S. Bakke, Judge
    The People of the State of Colorado,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.
    Jason Paul McGlaughlin,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ORDER REVERSED AND CASE
    REMANDED WITH DIRECTIONS
    Division VII
    Opinion by JUDGE BERGER
    Loeb, C.J., concurs
    Bernard, J., dissents
    Announced August 9, 2018
    Cynthia H. Coffman, Attorney General, Gabriel P. Olivares, Assistant Attorney
    General, Denver, Colorado, for Plaintiff-Appellee
    Krista A. Schelhaas, Alternate Defense Counsel, Littleton, Colorado, for
    Defendant-Appellant
    ¶1     Like many states, Colorado permits law students to represent
    defendants in criminal cases under limited circumstances and
    subject to specific requirements that must be met by both the law
    student and the supervising lawyer. C.R.C.P. 205.7.1
    ¶2     After pleading guilty to third degree assault and violation of a
    protection order, defendant, Jason Paul McGlaughlin, moved to
    vacate his plea and the resulting convictions, claiming that he was
    deprived of his Sixth Amendment right to effective assistance of
    counsel when he was represented only by a law student, not a
    licensed lawyer, at his plea hearing.
    1At the time of McLaughlin’s plea, the requirements for law practice
    by a law student were contained in both statutes, sections 12-5-
    116.1 and -116.2, C.R.S. 2012, and rules promulgated by the
    supreme court, C.R.C.P. 226.5 (2012). See People v. Coria, 
    937 P.2d 386
    , 389 (Colo. 1997) (generally discussing the statutes’
    requirements). In 2014, the supreme court promulgated C.R.C.P.
    205.7, which replaced C.R.C.P. 226.5, Rule Change 2014(09),
    Colorado Rules of Civil Procedure (Amended and Adopted by the
    Court En Banc, Sept. 1, 2014), https://perma.cc/2LPT-3UQJ, and
    the legislature later relocated the pertinent statutes to sections 13-
    93-202 and -203, C.R.S. 2017, Ch. 192, sec. 1, §§ 13-93-202, -203,
    2017 Colo. Sess. Laws 701-03. No substantive changes were made
    when the court promulgated C.R.C.P. 205.7. Because the
    requirements of both the rule and the statutes are essentially
    identical, we address only the rule.
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    ¶3    The postconviction court denied McGlaughlin’s Crim. P. 35(c)
    motion without a hearing, concluding that the record disproved
    McLaughlin’s claim. We disagree with the postconviction court’s
    analysis and disposition and reverse the court’s order.
    I.   Relevant Facts and Procedural History
    ¶4    McGlaughlin was involved in a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s
    new boyfriend. The prosecution charged him with second degree
    assault (a felony) and a related traffic offense.
    ¶5    Based on McGlaughlin’s alleged conduct, his ex-girlfriend
    obtained a temporary protection order that prohibited McGlaughlin
    from contacting her. McGlaughlin allegedly violated the order twice,
    which resulted in the filing of two additional misdemeanor charges.
    ¶6    McGlaughlin resolved all these charges by pleading guilty to
    one count of third degree assault (a misdemeanor) and to one count
    of violating a protection order (also a misdemeanor). At his plea
    hearing, McGlaughlin was represented by a law student extern
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    practicing under C.R.C.P. 205.7.2 The court accepted
    McGlaughlin’s plea and sentenced him to two years of probation.
    ¶7    McGlaughlin alleged the following material facts in his Crim.
    P. 35(c) motion, which sought to vacate his plea and conviction:
     The deputy public defender who was assigned to
    supervise the law student was not present in the
    courtroom when he pleaded guilty.
     He was unaware, until after the plea hearing, that the
    student was not, in fact, a licensed lawyer.
     While he pleaded guilty only to misdemeanors, he was
    charged with a felony, and law students are prohibited
    from representing defendants in felony proceedings.
     He never consented, in writing or otherwise, to
    representation by a law student.
    2 The title of C.R.C.P. 205.7 is “Law Student Practice,” and the rule
    refers to practice by “Law Student Externs.” But in 
    Coria, 937 P.2d at 389
    , the supreme court referred to the law student there as a
    “certified law student intern.” We perceive no distinction between
    an intern and an extern, and we consider those terms to be
    synonymous.
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     The law student did not make a record during the plea
    hearing that she was an extern, and the court was not
    aware that she was one.
    ¶8         The postconviction court denied his motion without a hearing,
    concluding that (1) the record established that the deputy public
    defender was, in fact, present at the plea hearing; (2) McGlaughlin
    was adequately represented by counsel at all critical stages of the
    proceedings; (3) the record established that McGlaughlin was not
    entitled to relief on the basis of his claim of ineffective assistance of
    counsel; and (4) McGlaughlin’s plea was entered knowingly,
    intelligently, and voluntarily.
    II.     The Postconviction Court Erred by Denying McGlaughlin’s
    Claim Without a Hearing
    ¶9         McGlaughlin argues that his plea was constitutionally invalid
    under the Sixth Amendment because he was not represented by a
    licensed lawyer at a critical stage of his criminal case. He also
    asserts that the assistance that he received from the law student
    who represented him was ineffective because the deputy public
    defender did not adequately supervise her.
    4
    A.    Colorado’s Law Student Practice Rule
    ¶ 10   As relevant to our analysis, C.R.C.P. 205.7 imposes the
    following conditions and limitations on the representation of
    criminal defendants by law students:
    •    They cannot represent a defendant who “has been
    charged with a felony.” C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i).
    •    The defendant must consent, in writing, to the law
    student’s representation. C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i)(B).
    •    The defendant’s written consent “shall be made in the
    record of the case and shall be brought to the attention of
    the judge of the court.” C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(ii).
    •    When representing the office of the state public defender
    and its clients, the law student must be “under the
    supervision of the public defender or one of his or her
    deputies.” C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i)(B).
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    •     The supervising lawyer must sign and approve all
    pleadings, briefs, and other legal documents. C.R.C.P.
    205.7(2)(a)(iii).3
    B.    The Effect of a Violation of C.R.C.P. 205.7
    ¶ 11   There is no serious disagreement that a number of these
    conditions were violated in this case. Indeed, the postconviction
    court so found. The question we must decide, then, is the effect, if
    any, of those violations on McGlaughlin’s guilty pleas and resulting
    convictions.4
    ¶ 12   A criminal defendant has a Sixth Amendment right to the
    assistance of counsel at all critical stages of his criminal case. U.S.
    Const. amend. VI; Wheat v. United States, 
    486 U.S. 153
    , 158-59
    (1988); People v. Arguello, 
    772 P.2d 87
    , 92 (Colo. 1989). “[T]he
    acceptance of a plea offer and the entry of a guilty plea is a critical
    3We note that there is some question whether subsection (2)(a)(iii)
    applies to the law student practice governed by C.R.C.P.
    205.7(2)(a)(i) or whether it is only applicable in situations that are
    not governed by C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i). Given our disposition, it is
    unnecessary for us to decide this question.
    4 We have no jurisdiction to address, and therefore express no
    opinions on, the regulatory or disciplinary consequences, if any, of
    any of these violations. See Colo. Supreme Court Grievance Comm.
    v. Dist. Court, 
    850 P.2d 150
    , 152 (Colo. 1993).
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    stage, creating an entitlement to counsel.” Carmichael v. People,
    
    206 P.3d 800
    , 805 (Colo. 2009). The interpretation and application
    of the Sixth Amendment is a matter of federal, not Colorado, law.
    Cmty. Hosp. v. Fail, 
    969 P.2d 667
    , 672 (Colo. 1998).
    ¶ 13   The licensure of lawyers, however, is a matter of state law.
    People v. Coria, 
    937 P.2d 386
    , 389 (Colo. 1997). The Colorado
    Supreme Court has the “sole authority to license attorneys . . . and
    to prescribe the rules and circumstances under which a person may
    appear as counsel in Colorado courts.” 
    Id. Thus, conceivably,
    the
    supreme court could, as a matter of state law, authorize law
    students to engage in the plenary practice of law. We need not
    address any Sixth Amendment ramifications of doing so, because
    the supreme court has refused to exercise any such authority.
    ¶ 14   In Coria, the court rejected the argument that law students are
    the equivalent of licensed lawyers when they practice under
    C.R.C.P. 205.7. 
    Id. There, the
    defendant argued that his Sixth
    Amendment rights were violated when the trial court refused him
    his counsel of choice — a law student extern. 
    Id. The supreme
    court held that the defendant’s Sixth Amendment rights were not
    violated because “the law student intern was neither a deputy
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    public defender nor a licensed Colorado practitioner. Defendants
    do not have a right under the Sixth Amendment to be represented
    by unlicensed persons. ‘[A]n advocate who is not a member of the
    bar may not represent clients . . . in court.’” 
    Id. (quoting Wheat,
    486 U.S. at 159). It follows that a law student is an “unlicensed
    person[],” not a licensed lawyer. 
    Id. 1. The
    Supervising Lawyer’s Presence
    ¶ 15   C.R.C.P. 205.7 does not explicitly require the presence of the
    supervising lawyer in the courtroom during critical stages of
    criminal cases, unlike the rules of virtually every other state that
    authorizes the limited practice of law by law students. See, e.g., Ill.
    Sup. Ct. R. 711(c)(2)(iii) (stating that a law student may participate
    in criminal proceedings “as an assistant of the supervising member
    of the bar, who shall be present and responsible for the conduct of
    the proceedings”); Miss. Code Ann. § 73-3-207(e) (West 2017) (“Law
    students may appear and participate in trials and hearings in
    courts if the supervising attorney or clinical teacher is present and
    supervising the student.”); Wash. Admission & Practice R. 9
    (detailing the activities a law student may do without the presence
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    of the supervising lawyer and those where the supervising lawyer
    must be present).
    ¶ 16   The Sixth Amendment, however, requires that a defendant
    have a licensed lawyer at the critical stages of his criminal case,
    Wheat, 
    486 U.S. 158-59
    , and, as noted, the Colorado Supreme
    Court has held that law students are not licensed lawyers, 
    Coria, 937 P.2d at 389
    . Thus, the Sixth Amendment requires that a
    licensed lawyer be present in the courtroom when a law student
    represents a criminal defendant during a critical stage of his
    criminal case.
    ¶ 17   If the supervising lawyer is not in the courtroom during those
    critical stages, no licensed lawyer is present, and the defendant is
    denied his constitutional right to counsel guaranteed by the Sixth
    Amendment. Such a complete deprivation of counsel is a structural
    error, requiring reversal without regard to any showing of prejudice.
    United States v. Cronic, 
    466 U.S. 648
    , 659 n.25 (1984); Hagos v.
    People, 
    2012 CO 63
    , ¶ 10.
    2.   Other Violations of C.R.C.P. 205.7
    ¶ 18   Having determined that it is a violation of C.R.C.P. 205.7 for
    the supervising lawyer not to be present during critical stages of a
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    criminal case, and that such a violation constitutes structural error,
    we now turn to the question of how to evaluate other possible
    violations of C.R.C.P. 205.7. No Colorado appellate case has
    addressed this question; however, a number of other states
    (applying similar statutes or rules) have.
    ¶ 19   One line of cases holds that even if a licensed lawyer appears
    at the proceeding, the substantial involvement by a law student
    (such as the examination of witnesses), without the client’s consent
    to representation by the law student, is a structural error. See
    People v. Miller, 
    152 Cal. Rptr. 707
    , 709 (Cal. App. Dep’t Super. Ct.
    1979); In Interest of C.B., 
    546 So. 2d 447
    , 448 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App.
    1989); see also In re Denzel W., 
    930 N.E.2d 974
    , 986 (Ill. 2010)
    (Freeman, J., dissenting).5
    ¶ 20   This conclusion is premised on the theory that allowing a non-
    lawyer to participate in the proceeding without the defendant’s
    actual consent constitutes a partial waiver of the right to counsel.
    5 By citing these cases, which addressed statutes or rules that
    required the client’s consent to be in writing, we do not address
    whether the Sixth Amendment, as opposed to rules governing
    student lawyer practice, requires written consent. See People v.
    Miller, 
    152 Cal. Rptr. 707
    , 709 (Cal. App. Dep’t Super. Ct. 1979); In
    Interest of C.B., 
    546 So. 2d 447
    , 448 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1989).
    10
    
    Miller, 152 Cal. Rptr. at 709
    . Such a waiver must be knowingly,
    voluntarily, and intentionally made. 
    Id. ¶ 21
      Another line of cases holds that all violations of the rules
    governing student practice — other than the threshold question of
    the supervising lawyer’s presence — are evaluated under the
    Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    (1984), test governing the
    ineffective assistance of counsel. Washington v. Moore, 
    421 F.3d 660
    , 662 (8th Cir. 2005); Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 983-84
    ; State v.
    Loding, 
    895 N.W.2d 669
    , 676-82 (Neb. 2017).
    ¶ 22   We agree with those decisions that apply Strickland to
    violations other than the absence of the supervising lawyer. They
    appropriately distinguish the situation in which the defendant is
    not represented by counsel at all — when only a non-licensed law
    student is representing the defendant during a critical stage of his
    criminal case — from the very different circumstance in which the
    defendant is represented by a licensed lawyer but the
    representation allegedly falls below the level of competence
    demanded by the Constitution, due in part to the participation of
    the law student.
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    ¶ 23   While the presence or absence of a supervising lawyer in the
    courtroom is a binary choice, other possible violations of C.R.C.P.
    205.7, such as the quality and quantity of supervision, or whether
    consent was given (orally, in writing, or both), are more nuanced.
    Once it has been determined that the defendant was represented by
    a licensed lawyer, it is entirely appropriate to determine the
    adequacy of that representation by the test for ineffective assistance
    of counsel announced in Strickland, 
    466 U.S. 668
    . See Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 983
    .
    C.   Analysis of McGlaughlin’s Crim. P. 35(c) Motion
    ¶ 24   The supreme court has repeatedly held that a postconviction
    court must hold an evidentiary hearing on a Crim. P. 35(c) motion
    “unless the motion, the files, and the record clearly establish that
    the allegations in the motion lack merit and do not entitle the
    defendant to relief.” Kazadi v. People, 
    2012 CO 73
    , ¶ 17 (emphasis
    added) (citing White v. Denver Dist. Court, 
    766 P.2d 632
    , 634 (Colo.
    1988)). “Summary denial of a postconviction relief motion is also
    appropriate if the claims raise only an issue of law, or if the
    allegations, even if true, do not provide a basis for relief.” People v.
    Venzor, 
    121 P.3d 260
    , 262 (Colo. App. 2005). “Likewise, if the
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    claims are bare and conclusory in nature, and lack supporting
    factual allegations, the motion may also be denied without a
    hearing.” 
    Id. ¶ 25
      We review de novo a postconviction court’s denial of a Crim. P.
    35(c) motion without a hearing. People v. Gardner, 
    250 P.3d 1262
    ,
    1266 (Colo. App. 2010); see also People v. Higgins, 
    2017 COA 57
    ,
    ¶ 11; People v. Smith, 
    2017 COA 12
    , ¶ 12; People v. Phipps, 
    2016 COA 190M
    , ¶ 20.
    ¶ 26   At the same time, we recognize the tension between de novo
    review and the supreme court rule authorizing postconviction
    courts to make some findings of fact without a hearing in deciding
    Crim. P. 35(c) motions. See Crim. P. 35(c)(3)(V). But, contrary to
    the dissent’s contention, not every disputed question of fact can be
    decided without a hearing. Were that the case, the supreme court’s
    default rule that a hearing is required unless an exception applies
    would be swallowed by the exception itself.
    ¶ 27   To give effect to the supreme court’s default rule, deference to
    a postconviction court’s factual finding by application of the clearly
    erroneous standard is warranted only when the factfinding was
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    made using accepted procedures and when the record clearly
    establishes the fact. Neither requirement was met here.
    ¶ 28   Ordinarily, of course, in order to properly find disputed facts, a
    court holds a hearing and considers all (not just some) of the
    relevant evidence, documentary and testimonial, before making a
    factual finding. See, e.g., J.A. Walker Co. v. Cambria Corp., 
    159 P.3d 126
    , 130 (Colo. 2007) (applying this rule to a fraudulent
    inducement challenge to an arbitration agreement); Archangel
    Diamond Corp. v. Lukoil, 
    123 P.3d 1187
    , 1190 (Colo. 2005), as
    modified on denial of reh’g (Dec. 19, 2005) (applying this rule in the
    C.R.C.P. 12(b)(2) context); People v. Wunder, 
    2016 COA 46
    , ¶ 34
    (“[A] trial court may not, consistent with procedural due process,
    enter judgments for civil penalties and restitution on disputed facts
    without holding an evidentiary hearing.”).
    ¶ 29   Here, the postconviction court relied on some evidence to find
    that the public defender was present in the courtroom during
    McGlaughlin’s plea hearing. But, the court did not consider all of
    the evidence, some of which would support a finding that the public
    defender was not present. And, indisputably, it did not consider
    the evidence perhaps most probative of the question — testimony
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    by the public defender and even the presiding judge. For this
    reason alone, the court’s factual finding is not entitled to deference
    under the clearly erroneous standard of review.
    ¶ 30   Moreover, the second requirement for deference is also lacking
    — the fact is not “clearly established” by the existing record.
    ¶ 31   To effectuate the supreme court’s relevant holdings,
    postconviction courts may only dispense with a hearing when the
    record clearly establishes that the defendant is not entitled to relief.
    Kazadi, ¶ 17. That is, when a disputed issue of material fact is
    central to the determination of whether the defendant has alleged a
    meritorious postconviction claim, that fact may be determined by
    the court only when the fact itself is “clearly established.” See IV
    ABA Standards for Criminal Justice § 22-4.6(a) (2d ed. 1980) (“A
    plenary hearing to receive evidence, by testimony or otherwise, is
    required whenever there are material questions of fact which must
    be resolved in order to determine the proper disposition of the
    application for relief.”). It follows that a postconviction court may
    make a dispositive factual finding without a hearing only when the
    fact in question is “clearly established.”
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    ¶ 32   For the reasons we articulate below, the historical finding of
    fact that the public defender was present at the plea hearing is not
    clearly established by the existing record. As a result, contrary to
    the dissent’s suggestion, we may not defer to that factual finding.
    We must instead remand for the postconviction court to hold an
    evidentiary hearing on that question and then make findings of fact
    after considering all of the relevant evidence.
    1.    The Public Defender’s Presence
    ¶ 33   As noted, McGlaughlin specifically alleged in his Crim. P. 35(c)
    motion that the deputy public defender was not present in the
    courtroom when he pleaded guilty.
    ¶ 34   In finding that the deputy public defender was present at the
    plea hearing, the postconviction court primarily relied on the plea
    court’s minutes.6 Based on our review of the court’s minutes
    (reproduced below), we are convinced that those minutes alone
    6 In that respect, we note that the judge who decided the
    postconviction motion was not the same judge who presided over
    the plea hearing. Thus, the postconviction court could have had no
    personal knowledge that the public defender was present at the plea
    hearing.
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    cannot properly be the basis of the court’s factual finding made
    without a hearing.
    ¶ 35   First, the minutes relied on by the postconviction court reflect
    two separate proceedings: the plea hearing, which took place on
    November 19, 2012, and the sentencing hearing, which took place
    on January 10, 2013. Even if the deputy public defender was
    present at the sentencing hearing (and he apparently was based on
    the transcript of that hearing), such a determination is not
    dispositive of the question whether the deputy public defender also
    was present at the critical plea hearing.
    ¶ 36   We cannot determine from the face of the minutes whether the
    deputy public defender was present at the plea hearing, the
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    sentencing hearing, or both. Nor can we determine when the
    apparently different handwritten notations were made by the
    presiding judicial officer. Importantly, we cannot tell if the name of
    the deputy public defender (A. Egizi) was inserted at the sentencing
    hearing or at the plea hearing.
    ¶ 37   Second, there is other evidence in the record that supports a
    finding that the public defender was not present. The transcript of
    the plea hearing, for example, does not reflect the appearance of the
    deputy public defender in any respect. He is not listed on the
    portion of the hearing transcript that traditionally contains the
    names of the lawyers who were present and participated in the
    hearing. So far as can be gleaned from the transcript, the deputy
    public defender never entered his appearance or introduced the law
    student to the court at the hearing as required by C.R.C.P.
    205.7(2)(b)(i)(D). See 
    Coria, 937 P.2d at 390
    .
    ¶ 38   The plea court also never addressed the deputy public
    defender at the hearing (indeed, from the context of the presiding
    judge’s statements, we cannot tell whether the judge was aware
    that the person representing McGlaughlin was not a licensed
    lawyer, but instead a law student).
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    ¶ 39   Third, the law student alone signed the “Attorney Certificate to
    the Court” in McGlaughlin’s plea agreement and Crim. P. 11
    advisement. Although the signature line is labeled as “Attorney’s
    Signature,” only the law student (who is not a lawyer) signed the
    document. The deputy public defender’s name does not appear
    anywhere on the plea agreement.
    ¶ 40   While the court minutes constitute relevant evidence on the
    question of whether the deputy public defender was present at the
    plea hearing, they are by no means conclusive of that question, and
    they do not rise to the level of certainty required to dispense with an
    evidentiary hearing.7 In other words, the court minutes do not,
    together with any other information in the record, “clearly establish”
    that the deputy public defender was at the plea hearing. It follows
    7 The rule that the interpretation of an unambiguous writing is a
    question of law, see O’Brien v. Vill. Land Co., 
    794 P.2d 246
    , 249
    (Colo. 1990), provides no support for the postconviction court’s
    finding. In this case, no single writing is dispositive of the question
    of whether the public defender was present at the plea hearing.
    Indeed, to make a reasoned determination of that question, a fact
    finder must consider multiple writings (the court minutes,
    transcripts of the plea hearing, and the documents executed in
    connection with the plea hearing) as well as testimony of percipient
    witnesses: the defendant, the public defender, the prosecutor, and
    even the judge that presided over the hearing.
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    that the postconviction court erred in deciding this quintessentially
    factual question without a hearing.
    2.    Effectiveness of McGlaughlin’s Counsel
    ¶ 41   Just as we cannot on this record sustain the postconviction
    court’s finding that the deputy public defender was present during
    McGlaughlin’s plea hearing, we also cannot sustain the court’s
    findings and conclusions without a hearing that the law student
    was adequately supervised — which was central to its conclusion
    that McGlaughlin received the effective assistance of counsel.
    ¶ 42   The postconviction court concluded — based in part on its
    erroneous finding that the deputy public defender was present at
    the plea hearing — that the law student was supervised in her
    representation of McGlaughlin. It also found that the law student
    was “involved in a supervised capacity with two licensed attorneys
    well before [McGlaughlin] entered a guilty plea.” While that finding
    may be supported by the record, we conclude that absent a hearing,
    it is insufficient to support a further finding that the deputy public
    defender adequately supervised (or supervised at all) the law
    student in connection with the plea hearing.
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    ¶ 43   Irrespective of whether the law student previously represented
    McGlaughlin or appeared on his behalf at other hearings, applying
    the Kazadi standard, the record does not “clearly establish” the
    quantity or quality of supervision respecting the legal advice
    provided in connection with the plea hearing. Therefore, the
    postconviction court erred in deciding this question without the
    benefit of a hearing.
    3.    An Evidentiary Hearing is Required
    ¶ 44   We therefore remand the case to the postconviction court for
    an evidentiary hearing. Based on the evidence presented at that
    hearing, the postconviction court must first determine if the deputy
    public defender was present during the plea hearing. If it finds that
    the deputy public defender was not present at McGlaughlin’s plea
    hearing, then McGlaughlin was deprived of his constitutional right
    to counsel — a structural error — and the postconviction court
    must vacate McGlaughlin’s plea and judgment of conviction, and
    reinstate the original charges. See Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 982
    ;
    see also Hagos, ¶ 10; 
    Carmichael, 206 P.3d at 805
    .
    ¶ 45   If, on the other hand, the postconviction court finds that the
    deputy public defender was present during the plea hearing, it
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    must then reanalyze McGlaughlin’s remaining claims — including
    his claim that the law student was not adequately supervised —
    under Strickland. See Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 983
    ; see also
    
    Moore, 421 F.3d at 662
    ; 
    Loding, 895 N.W.2d at 680-81
    .
    ¶ 46   Finally, if, based on the evidence presented, the court finds
    that the deputy public defender was present during McGlaughlin’s
    plea hearing and that McGlaughlin did not meet his burden under
    Strickland to show that he was deprived of the effective assistance
    of counsel, McGlaughlin is not entitled to relief and the court
    should again deny his Crim. P. 35(c) motion.
    III.   Conclusion
    ¶ 47   The order denying McGlaughlin’s Crim. P. 35(c) motion is
    reversed, and the case is remanded for the proceedings directed
    above.
    CHIEF JUDGE LOEB concurs.
    JUDGE BERNARD dissents.
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    JUDGE BERNARD, dissenting.
    ¶ 48   I disagree with the majority’s decision to reverse the trial
    court’s order. I therefore respectfully dissent.
    I.   Introduction
    ¶ 49   Generally, the Sixth Amendment requires a licensed attorney
    to represent a client in court. Wheat v. United States, 
    486 U.S. 153
    ,
    159 (1988). But C.R.C.P. 205.7 allows certified law students to
    practice in certain circumstances. See People v. Coria, 
    937 P.2d 386
    , 389 (Colo. 1997). As is relevant to my analysis, Rule 205.7
    establishes the following conditions for law student externs who
    work under the supervision of public defenders. They cannot
    represent clients facing felony charges. C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i). The
    client must consent to the student attorney’s representation.
    C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i)(B). The consent must be made a part of the
    record in the case and brought to the court’s attention. C.R.C.P.
    205.7(2)(a)(ii). And the student attorney must be “under the
    supervision of the public defender or one of his or her deputies.”
    C.R.C.P. 205.7(2)(a)(i)(B).
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    II.      Defendant’s Contentions
    ¶ 50   Defendant filed his Crim. P. 35(c) motion in May 2014. As is
    pertinent to my analysis, it raised three contentions.
    ¶ 51   First, he claimed that he was denied his Sixth Amendment
    right to counsel because he had been represented by a student
    attorney, not by a licensed attorney — a public defender in this case
    — when he pled guilty. Indeed, he added, the public defender was
    not even present when he entered his guilty plea.
    ¶ 52   Second, the assistance that he received from the student
    attorney was ineffective because the public defender had not
    adequately supervised her. He supported this claim by pointing to
    violations of Rule 205.7:
    •    the student attorney represented him on a felony charge,
    even though Rule 205.7(2)(a)(i) prevented her from doing
    so;
    •    he did not consent to the student attorney’s
    representation, even though Rule 205.7(2)(a)(i)(B)
    required such consent; and
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    •    the student attorney did not make a record during the
    plea hearing that she was a student attorney, so the
    court was not aware that she was one.
    ¶ 53   Third, he claimed that the student attorney was ineffective
    because she did not adequately advise him that his guilty plea to
    third degree assault would include a finding that it was a crime of
    domestic violence or that the domestic violence finding could have
    consequences in future proceedings. He added that the public
    defender had not discussed the particulars of the plea with him or
    signed the plea agreement.
    ¶ 54   I disagree with all three contentions. As the reader can see,
    they contain several factual assertions, including (1) the public
    defender was not present when defendant entered his guilty plea;
    and (2) the public defender did not adequately supervise the
    student attorney. The postconviction court made specific findings
    of fact concerning these two contentions. Defendant submits that
    we should disregard them. I cannot do so because the record
    supports them.
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    III.   The Postconviction Court’s Factual Findings
    ¶ 55   John Adams said, while arguing in defense of the British
    soldiers during the Boston Massacre trial in 1770, that “[f]acts are
    stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, or inclinations,
    or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts
    and evidence.” David McCullough, John Adams 68 (2001). The
    stubborn things in this case are the postconviction court’s factual
    findings.
    ¶ 56   One of these stubborn things concerned a handwritten
    notation of a public defender’s name on something called the trial
    court’s “minutes.” These minutes contained both the student
    attorney’s name and the public defender’s name. The
    postconviction court found that the notation in the minutes meant
    that the public defender and the student attorney had both been
    present, representing defendant, during the plea hearing.
    ¶ 57   But defendant claims that “it appears” that the public
    defender’s name “was added at a later time,” after the student
    attorney’s name. This suggests, defendant continues, that the trial
    court wrote the public defender’s name on the minutes during the
    sentencing hearing, not during the plea hearing. Defendant
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    supports this claim by pointing out that the public defender’s name
    was “written at an angle” after the student attorney’s name.
    ¶ 58   The other stubborn thing involved the postconviction court’s
    finding that the student attorney was adequately supervised.
    Defendant claims that the record contradicts this finding.
    ¶ 59   This is all very interesting. But defendant’s contentions about
    the postconviction court’s factual findings arise too late in the
    process because they are directed to the wrong audience. We
    review a postconviction court’s decision to deny a Crim. P. 35(c)
    motion de novo, but we defer to the court’s factual findings if the
    record supports them. Dunlap v. People, 
    173 P.3d 1054
    , 1063 (Colo.
    2007). In other words, we are an appellate court, and we cannot
    find facts. People v. A.W., 
    982 P.2d 842
    , 845 (Colo. 1999). This
    proposition is so fundamental that our supreme court has
    described it as “axiomatic.” Gebhardt v. Gebhardt, 
    198 Colo. 28
    ,
    30, 
    595 P.2d 1048
    , 1050 (1979).
    ¶ 60   Rather, it was the postconviction court’s job in this case to
    find the facts. If defendant’s contention had any force, it was up to
    the postconviction court to recognize it. “The empirical component
    of . . . fact finding[] is the basic responsibility of the trial court,
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    involving as it does a weighing of evidence and an assessment of
    credibility.” People v. Pearson, 
    725 P.2d 782
    , 786 (Colo. 1986)
    (Quinn, C.J., dissenting). “[A]ppellate courts are not to decide
    factual questions de novo, reversing any findings they would have
    made differently.” Maine v. Taylor, 
    477 U.S. 131
    , 145 (1986).
    ¶ 61   We will “set aside a trial court’s factual findings only when
    they are so clearly erroneous as to find no support in the record.”
    People v. Beauvais, 
    2017 CO 34
    , ¶ 22. “Where there are two
    permissible views of the evidence, the factfinder’s choice between
    them cannot be clearly erroneous.” Anderson v. City of Bessemer
    City, 
    470 U.S. 564
    , 574 (1985). “This is so even when the [trial]
    court’s findings do not rest on credibility determinations, but are
    based instead on physical or documentary evidence or inferences
    from other facts.” 
    Id. Indeed, “[i]f
    the [trial] court’s account of the
    evidence is plausible in light of the record viewed in its entirety, the
    court of appeals may not reverse it.” 
    Id. at 573-74.
    ¶ 62   According to the opposing views of defendant and the
    prosecution, there are two permissible ways to view the evidence in
    this case. On the one hand, the postconviction court could have
    found, as defendant suggests, that the notation of the public
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    defender’s name on the minutes occurred after the plea hearing and
    that the student attorney had not been adequately supervised. On
    the other hand, it could have found, as it ultimately did, that the
    notation meant that the public defender was present during the
    plea hearing and that the student attorney had been adequately
    supervised.
    ¶ 63   Does the record support the postconviction court’s factual
    findings that the public defender attended the plea hearing and that
    he adequately supervised the student attorney? The answer to this
    question is “yes,” particularly because the court made other,
    complementary findings: (1) “public defenders represented . . .
    [d]efendant in his three cases after he dismissed private counsel”;
    (2) public defenders had appeared on defendant’s behalf “on at least
    five separate occasions”; (3) the student attorney had been “involved
    in . . . [d]efendant’s representation well before he entered his plea”;
    (4) the presentence report “identified . . . [d]efendant’s counsel” as
    both the public defender and the student attorney; and (5) the
    public defender had been “significantly involved in and primarily
    responsible for the plea negotiations that resulted in” defendant’s
    guilty plea.
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    ¶ 64   The postconviction court also found that the student attorney
    had been supervised during the plea hearing. More specifically, the
    court found that
    [b]ased upon [the student attorney’s] ongoing
    involvement in the county court cases and
    prior appearance with . . . [d]efendant, the
    [c]ourt does not find . . . [d]efendant’s claim
    that he only met [the student attorney] on the
    day of his sentencing to be credible. Rather,
    the [c]ourt finds that claim to be directly
    contradicted by the court files. [The student
    attorney] was involved in a supervised capacity
    with two licensed attorneys well before . . .
    [d]efendant entered a guilty plea. Court
    minutes indicate that she continued to be
    supervised at the disposition hearing by [the
    public defender], even though he did not speak
    on the record. Based on the foregoing, the
    [c]ourt concludes that . . . [d]efendant was
    adequately represented by counsel at all
    critical stages of the proceedings and that . . .
    [d]efendant’s claim does not entitle him to
    post-conviction relief.
    ¶ 65   Based on the interlocking nature of all of these findings, I
    conclude that they were “plausible in light of the record viewed in
    its entirety.” 
    Anderson, 470 U.S. at 573-74
    . I am therefore duty
    bound to reject defendant’s contention. See 
    id. ¶ 66
      “The rationale for deference to the original finder of fact is not
    limited to the superiority of the trial judge’s position to make
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    determinations of credibility.” 
    Id. at 574.
    “The trial judge’s major
    role is the determination of fact, and with experience in fulfilling
    that role comes expertise.” 
    Id. When an
    appellate court duplicates
    a trial court’s factfinding, the result “would very likely contribute
    only negligibly to the accuracy of fact determination at a huge cost
    in diversion of judicial resources.” 
    Id. at 575.
    ¶ 67   Defendant implicitly asks us to ignore the postconviction
    court’s expertise. See 
    id. at 574.
    This expertise includes familiarity
    with the records, including the minutes, that trial courts generate
    in the postconviction court’s judicial district. I cannot ignore the
    postconviction court’s expertise because doing so (1) would not
    further the efficacy of our review; (2) would not advance the
    factfinding ball one inch; and (3) would exact “a huge cost” by
    diverting our resources from deciding issues of law. 
    Id. at 575.
    ¶ 68   The postconviction court evaluated the entire record, including
    the minutes, and the court placed the minutes in the context of
    other facts. Another fact finder might have found the facts to favor
    defendant, but that is not a proper contention to raise in an
    appellate court. See 
    Taylor, 477 U.S. at 145
    . The court found what
    it found, and the record supports what it found. So, as far as the
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    postconviction court’s factual findings are concerned, our job was
    over before it started. To paraphrase John Adams’s eloquent
    statement, whatever defendant’s wishes, or inclinations, or the
    dictates of his passions may be, they cannot now alter the
    postconviction court’s stubborn factual findings.
    ¶ 69   It is beyond dispute that we review a postconviction court’s
    decision to deny a Crim. P. 35(c) motion without a hearing de novo.
    See, e.g., People v. Smith, 
    2017 COA 12
    , ¶ 12. This means that we
    review de novo the postconviction court’s decision to deny
    defendant’s Crim. P. 35(c) motion because the record clearly
    established that defendant was not entitled to relief. People v.
    Venzor, 
    121 P.3d 260
    , 262 (Colo. App. 2005).
    ¶ 70   What does the phrase “clearly established” mean in the
    context of a Crim. P. 35(c) proceeding? Neither the supreme court
    nor the court of appeals has defined this term. And it does not
    appear in Crim. P. 35(c).
    ¶ 71   Instead, Crim. P. 35(c)(3)(IV) states that, “[i]f the motion and
    the files and record of the case show to the satisfaction of the court
    that the defendant is not entitled to relief, the court shall enter
    written findings of fact and conclusions of law in denying the
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    motion.” (Emphasis added.) It is obvious in this case that the
    motion, the file, and the record showed, to the postconviction
    court’s satisfaction, that defendant was not entitled to relief.
    ¶ 72   And the phrase “clearly established” is likewise absent from
    Crim. P. 35(c)’s instructions to a postconviction court about what to
    do if its review of the motion, the file, and the record does not
    satisfy it that the defendant is not entitled to relief. In such
    circumstances, the postconviction court should serve the
    prosecution with the defendant’s motion, appoint the public
    defender, and consider the public defender’s response. Crim. P.
    35(c)(3)(V). But, even then, “the court shall grant a prompt hearing
    on the motion unless, based on the pleadings, the court finds that it
    is appropriate to enter a ruling containing written findings of fact
    and conclusions of law.” 
    Id. (emphasis added).
    ¶ 73   It is my view that “clearly established” refers to the quality of
    the proof in the record rather than to the simple existence of a
    disagreement about what the proof means. Certainly, some
    disagreements raise serious questions about the quality of the
    proof. But, for the reasons that I have explained above, the
    disagreement in this case does not raise such serious questions.
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    ¶ 74   Defendant’s Crim. P. 35(c) motion was not filed during a
    pretrial stage of the proceedings when he was still presumed to be
    innocent. And we are not considering the equivalent of an outcome-
    determinative civil motion that a litigant has filed before the merits
    of the case have been decided, such as those covered by C.R.C.P.
    12(b)(2) (lack of jurisdiction), C.R.C.P. 12(b)(5) (failure to state a
    claim), or C.R.C.P. 56 (summary judgment). Rather, this Crim. P.
    35(c) proceeding occurred after the defendant had pled guilty.
    Indeed, as our supreme court pointed out, “[i]n a Crim. P. 35(c)
    proceeding, there is a presumption of validity attaching to a
    judgment of conviction.” People v. Naranjo, 
    840 P.2d 319
    , 325
    (Colo. 1992).
    ¶ 75   The focus of defendant’s contention in this case is on whether
    the record clearly established that he was not entitled to relief. I
    think that, when evaluating whether the record did so, we must, in
    the course of our de novo review, defer to the postconviction court’s
    factual findings. If not, what are those factual findings for?
    Defendant does not cite any case, and I have not found one, which
    holds that, as part of our de novo review, we should decline to defer
    to the postconviction court’s factual findings about the record.
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    ¶ 76   And what happens if we do not defer to those findings?
    (Remember that deferring to the factual findings does not mean
    affirming them if the record does not support them.) I think that
    puts us in the unenviable position of acting as super fact finders,
    substituting our view of the facts for the postconviction court’s view.
    As I have explained above, that is not a productive place for an
    appellate court.
    IV.   Application of the Sixth Amendment
    ¶ 77   Because I would defer to the postconviction court’s findings, I
    turn to answering this question: What happens when one or more
    of the conditions in Rule 205.7, which governs the practice of law
    student externs, has not been met? I think that this question leads
    me to sequential analyses, both of which involve the Sixth
    Amendment.
    ¶ 78   First, I must decide whether defendant’s Sixth Amendment
    right to counsel was denied. I conclude that it was not because the
    postconviction court found that the public defender was present
    when defendant pled guilty.
    ¶ 79   Second, I must figure out whether defendant was denied his
    right to effective assistance of counsel under the test established by
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    Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 687 (1984). I conclude that
    he was not, so I agree with the postconviction court’s determination
    that defendant did not “meet his burden to satisfy the Strickland
    standard.”
    A.    The Law of Other Jurisdictions
    ¶ 80   I begin my analysis by recognizing that, although the slate is
    clean in Colorado, other states have analyzed similar contentions
    about law students who represent defendants under local rules or
    statutes. When I look at these cases, I find two relevant themes.
    ¶ 81   One theme is that, as long as a licensed attorney is present,
    the participation of a law student in the defendant’s case who has
    not complied with the applicable rules does not deny the defendant
    the Sixth Amendment right to counsel. In re Denzel W., 
    930 N.E.2d 974
    , 982 (Ill. 2010) (“The presence of the licensed attorney, who
    certainly is counsel for constitutional purposes, is not somehow
    ‘cancelled out’ by the law student’s participation, even if the law
    student has not complied with” the pertinent rules governing the
    student’s practice.); accord State v. Terrazas, 
    347 P.3d 1151
    , 1152
    (Ariz. Ct. App. 2015) (citing In re Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 982
    );
    People v. Perez, 
    594 P.2d 1
    , 8 (Cal. 1979) (“Because defendant was
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    at all times represented by both an actively participating
    supervising attorney and a certified law student, he did have
    representation of counsel.”); Collins v. State, 
    14 N.E.3d 80
    , 85 (Ind.
    Ct. App. 2014); State v. Loding, 
    895 N.W.2d 669
    , 679-80 (Neb.
    2017) (holding there was no violation of the defendant’s right to
    counsel when a licensed attorney was present at all times during
    the defendant’s trial and during all interactions between the
    defendant and the student attorney).
    ¶ 82   The corollary to this first theme is that a defendant’s right to
    counsel is violated if the defendant is represented by an
    unsupervised and unprepared law student. Adams v. State, 
    693 N.E.2d 107
    , 109 (Ind. Ct. App. 1998) (“In view of the lack of any
    meaningful supervision by an attorney . . . over [the law student’s]
    representation, and coupled with [the student’s] total lack of
    familiarity with the case, we conclude that [the defendant] was
    effectively unrepresented . . . .”) (citation omitted); Benbow v. State,
    
    614 So. 2d 398
    , 403-04 (Miss. 1993) (Because “the sponsoring
    attorney [was not] present with his intern in the courtroom” when
    the defendant entered a guilty plea, the defendant was “not
    represented by counsel . . . .”); City of Seattle v. Ratliff, 
    667 P.2d 37
      630, 635 (Wash. 1983) (“We hold that [the defendant] was denied
    his right to counsel because the trial court prevented [the law
    student] from attaining the status of ‘counsel’ by apparently
    preventing him from contacting his supervis[ing]” attorney.); see
    also United States v. Cronic, 
    466 U.S. 648
    , 659 n.25 (1984) (The
    United States Supreme Court “has uniformly found constitutional
    error without any showing of prejudice [only] when counsel was
    either totally absent, or prevented from assisting the accused
    during a critical stage of the proceeding.”).
    ¶ 83   (I note that at least three cases from Florida’s Fourth District
    Court of Appeal have held that a violation of the law student
    practice rules was, under the facts of these cases, a sufficient basis
    to reverse a conviction. D.K. v. State, 
    881 So. 2d 50
    , 51-52 (Fla.
    Dist. Ct. App. 2004); L.R. v. State, 
    698 So. 2d 915
    , 916 (Fla. Dist.
    Ct. App. 1997); In Interest of J.H., 
    580 So. 2d 162
    , 163 (Fla. Dist.
    Ct. App. 1991). People v. Miller, 
    152 Cal. Rptr. 707
    , 709 (Cal. App.
    Dep’t Super. Ct. 1979), and the dissent in In re Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 986
    (Freeman, J., dissenting), reach similar results. I am
    not persuaded by these cases because they are contrary to the
    majority trend, to which I refer above.)
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    ¶ 84   The second theme is that “a supervising attorney does not
    satisfy his or her obligation . . . merely by being physically present.”
    In re Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 983
    . Courts must also apply the
    standard Strickland two-step analysis in such circumstances. Id.;
    see also Washington v. Moore, 
    421 F.3d 660
    , 662-63 (8th Cir. 2005);
    United States v. Rimmell, 
    21 F.3d 281
    , 286 (8th Cir. 1994); Duval v.
    State, 
    744 So. 2d 523
    , 525-26 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1999); 
    Loding, 895 N.W.2d at 680-81
    .
    ¶ 85   This second theme means that the defendant must show that
    (1) the representation was deficient because it fell below the level of
    reasonably competent assistance; and (2) the deficient
    representation was prejudicial because there was a reasonable
    probability that, but for counsel’s unprofessional errors, the result
    of the proceeding would have been different. People v. Lopez, 
    2015 COA 45
    , ¶ 58 (citing 
    Strickland, 466 U.S. at 687
    ). The defendant
    must establish both of these prongs to obtain relief. Davis v.
    People, 
    871 P.2d 769
    , 779 (Colo. 1994).
    B.    Application of the Law
    ¶ 86   I initially conclude that defendant was not denied his Sixth
    Amendment right to counsel. Not only did the student attorney
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    represent him at the time of his plea, but the postconviction court
    found that the public defender was present during the plea and that
    the public defender adequately supervised the student attorney.
    See In re Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 982
    ; accord 
    Terrazas, 347 P.3d at 1152
    ; 
    Perez, 594 P.2d at 8
    ; 
    Collins, 14 N.E.3d at 85
    ; 
    Loding, 895 N.W.2d at 679-80
    . As I recognized above, these were factual
    findings to which I must defer. See People v. Gardner, 
    250 P.3d 1262
    , 1266 (Colo. App. 2010).
    ¶ 87   Turning to defendant’s ineffective assistance of counsel claim,
    I initially disagree with the prosecution’s assertion that he did not
    raise it in the postconviction court. True, his pro se assertion was
    inartful: he was “not adequately represented by the public defender”
    because the student attorney was “not . . . an attorney at all.” But
    he also alleged that (1) he was “present[ing] questions as to whether
    . . . [the student attorney and two public defenders who represented
    him] fail[ed] to advise on complete charges” and as to whether they
    had engaged in “collective, fraudulent misrepresentation”; (2) “the
    final defense counsel [meaning the student attorney], who
    misrepresented [her] credentials through[out] negotiations, unduly
    influenced the defendant by discouraging the trial procedures based
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    on fear of an affirmative defense by way of self defense . . . .”; and
    (3) “the so-claimed public defender [the student attorney] did not
    hold a prescient apprehension during her representation of the
    defendant.”
    ¶ 88   These various allegations may not be a model of pleading
    clarity. But I think that they sufficiently raised an ineffective
    assistance of counsel claim. See Rael v. People, 
    2017 CO 67
    , ¶ 17
    (parties do not need to employ “talismanic language” to preserve a
    contention). So, like the postconviction court, I will proceed to
    address the claim’s merits.
    ¶ 89   Even if I assume that the student attorney’s representation fell
    below the level of reasonably competent assistance because she, or
    the public defender, violated Rule 205.7, I nonetheless conclude
    that defendant has not satisfied the prejudice prong of the
    Strickland test. See 
    Davis, 871 P.2d at 779
    . This is so because he
    has not shown that there was a reasonable probability that, but for
    counsel’s unprofessional errors, the result of the proceeding would
    have been different. Lopez, ¶ 58.
    ¶ 90   Defendant contends that he suffered prejudice because he
    would not have pled guilty if he had known that the plea included a
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    domestic violence finding. He adds that this finding subjected him
    to greater social stigma. But the record indicates that he was aware
    that the plea would include such a finding. For example, the
    prosecution’s motion to add the third degree assault count clearly
    stated that it involved a domestic violence finding. And the written
    plea agreements for the third degree assault charge and the
    violation of a protection order charge, which defendant signed,
    stated that he was pleading guilty to a domestic violence offense.
    ¶ 91   Aside from pointing to the putative violations of Rule 205.7,
    defendant did not explain how those violations prejudiced him. For
    one example, although he alleged that the public defender did not
    discuss the plea disposition with him, he did not allege that the
    student attorney had misadvised him about anything besides the
    domestic violence finding.
    ¶ 92   Indeed, courts in other jurisdictions have held that such
    violations do not, without more, constitute prejudice for purposes of
    an ineffective assistance of counsel inquiry. See 
    Washington, 421 F.3d at 662-63
    ; 
    Duval, 744 So. 2d at 525-26
    ; People v. Smith, 
    893 N.E.2d 971
    , 974 (Ill. Ct. App. 2008) (concluding that the
    defendant’s lack of consent to or knowledge of representation by law
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    student during hearing on motion to suppress did not constitute
    ineffective assistance of counsel).
    ¶ 93   My conclusion does not mean that Rule 205.7’s requirements
    are “mere suggestions.” In re Denzel 
    W., 930 N.E.2d at 980
    (quoting
    People v. Houston, 
    874 N.E.2d 23
    , 34 (Ill. 2007)). As the Nebraska
    Supreme Court pointed out in Loding, “there is a disciplinary
    process established to adjudicate rule 
    violations.” 895 N.W.2d at 681
    . And, if defendant had linked the rule violations with
    demonstrable prejudice, he could have shown that his counsel had
    been ineffective. But the simple violation of Rule 205.7 “is not the
    matter before us in this appeal.” 
    Id. ¶ 94
      I would therefore affirm the postconviction court’s order
    denying defendant’s request for a hearing because his Crim. P. 35(c)
    motion did not state adequate factual or legal grounds for relief.
    Crim. P. 35(c)(3)(IV).
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