State v. Stricklan , 2020 UT 65 ( 2020 )


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    2020 UT 65
    IN THE
    SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF UTAH
    STATE OF UTAH,
    Appellee,
    v.
    MICHAEL STRICKLAN,
    Appellant.
    No. 20180944
    Heard February 12, 2020
    Filed: October 15, 2020
    On Direct Appeal
    Third District, Salt Lake
    The Honorable Elizabeth A. Hruby-Mills
    No. 171902781
    Attorneys:
    Sean D. Reyes, Att’y Gen., Jeffrey D. Mann, Asst. Solic. Gen.,
    Kristin L. Zimmerman, Salt Lake City, for appellee
    Troy L. Booher, J. Frederic Voros, Jr., Salt Lake City,
    Freyja R. Johnson, North Salt Lake, for appellant
    JUSTICE PEARCE authored the opinion of the Court in which
    ASSOCIATE CHIEF JUSTICE LEE and JUSTICE PETERSEN joined.
    CHIEF JUSTICE DURRANT authored a dissenting opinion in which
    JUSTICE HIMONAS joined.
    JUSTICE PEARCE, opinion of the Court:
    INTRODUCTION
    ¶1 A jury convicted Michael Stricklan of two counts of
    aggravated sexual abuse of his ten-year-old stepdaughter (E.D.).
    Stricklan appeals the district court’s denial of a motion for a directed
    verdict and a motion to arrest judgment. In both motions, Stricklan
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    argued that the State had produced insufficient evidence to convict
    him because, by trial, E.D. had recanted her story that Stricklan had
    inappropriately touched her. Instead, E.D. testified before the jury
    that she had lied on the two occasions she told a police detective that
    Stricklan had touched her chest and backside while she was in her
    bedroom.
    ¶2 The primary question we need to resolve is whether E.D.’s
    recantation meant, as Stricklan argues, that our case law dictates that
    there was insufficient evidence of guilt to dispel reasonable doubt.
    We conclude that the jury was entitled to weigh the two versions of
    E.D.’s story, consider the other evidence of Stricklan’s guilt, and
    decide which version of E.D.’s story it found to be credible. The
    district court did not err in concluding that there was sufficient
    evidence to sustain Stricklan’s convictions. We affirm.
    BACKGROUND 1
    ¶3 On the night of Stricklan’s birthday, Stricklan, E.D., and
    E.D.’s mother (Mother) went to dinner to celebrate. Upon returning,
    E.D. got ready for bed, told Mother and Stricklan goodnight, and
    went to her room to sleep.
    ¶4 The events that followed form the basis of this appeal. E.D.
    provided two different accounts of what happened after she went to
    bed that evening, and below we explain what the jury heard about
    each account. But common to both versions is that sometime in the
    early morning, E.D. spoke to Mother, which led to Mother
    questioning Stricklan, and Stricklan calling the police. 2
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    1 We limit our analysis to only those facts and testimony the jury
    heard at trial. So “we review the record facts in a light most
    favorable to the jury’s verdict and recite the facts accordingly.” USA
    Power, LLC v. PacifiCorp, 
    2016 UT 20
    , ¶ 8 n.3, 
    372 P.3d 629
     (citation
    omitted) (internal quotation marks omitted). “And where the jury
    returns a verdict that is reasonably sustained by circumstantial
    evidence and the inferences drawn from it, we must uphold the
    jury’s verdict.” State v. Nielsen, 
    2014 UT 10
    , ¶ 47, 
    326 P.3d 645
    .
    2  The jury heard testimony from Officer Hulse, Officer Dallof, and
    Detective Timpson. Stricklan’s father and E.D. also testified. E.D.’s
    mother invoked spousal communications privilege and did not
    testify at trial.
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    ¶5 Officer Hulse testified that police dispatch sent her and
    Detective Holdaway to investigate a possible sexual abuse case.3
    When Hulse arrived at the home around 5:00 a.m., she observed that
    Stricklan appeared intoxicated. Hulse spoke to Mother and E.D. in
    Mother’s bedroom. Hulse spoke mainly to Mother. Both Mother and
    E.D. appeared upset and looked as though they had been crying.
    Hulse testified that Mother appeared “like she had been crying for a
    while; she appeared very upset.” She also noted that E.D.’s face “was
    kind of swollen like she had been crying and was kind of still crying
    as she was sitting there.” Hulse did not interview Stricklan.
    ¶6 Officer Dallof replaced Hulse around 5:30 a.m. Dallof
    testified that Detective Holdaway arrived at the residence around
    6:40 or 7:00 a.m. and interviewed E.D. 4 E.D. told the detective that
    Stricklan had touched her on the “boobs and the butt.”
    ¶7 Detective Holdaway also interviewed Stricklan. According
    to Dallof, Stricklan told Holdaway he was watching television when
    Mother came out and confronted him. Stricklan told Holdaway that
    Mother said to him that E.D. had told her that he had touched E.D.
    When Holdaway asked why E.D. would say Stricklan touched her,
    Stricklan replied something to the effect of, “I don’t know why.”
    Holdaway also asked Stricklan if he had gone into E.D.’s room.
    Stricklan said he had entered to turn off the light and the television.
    Stricklan not only denied touching E.D. inappropriately, but also
    denied that he had touched her at all.
    ¶8 Holdaway explained the investigation process to Stricklan
    and advised him to leave the home and stay elsewhere while the
    investigation proceeded. Dallof testified he heard Stricklan then call
    someone on the phone and say that he needed a ride because he
    “acted inappropriately and I need you to come and pick me up,” or
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    3 The preliminary hearing transcript records the officer’s name as
    Hulse, and when asked to spell her name, the officer spells Hulse.
    But at trial, the officer’s name is listed as Holst. We opt to go with the
    preliminary hearing’s orthography.
    4 Detective Holdaway passed away shortly after the incident.
    Portions of his reports and interviews were introduced at trial
    through the testimony of other officers.
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    “I acted inappropriately, I can’t stay here, I need you to come and
    pick me up.” 5
    ¶9 The jury also heard E.D. testify that she and Mother went to
    the Children’s Justice Center (CJC). During the CJC interview, E.D.
    told the detective that Stricklan had touched her “right at the
    bottom” and on her “boobs.”
    ¶10 A few days after the incident, Stricklan voluntarily went to
    the police station to talk to Holdaway. Stricklan told Holdaway that
    E.D. had never lied to him. Stricklan said that he did not think E.D.
    was making anything up. Stricklan also indicated he did not have
    “any recollection” of what happened that night. He indicated he did
    not remember turning off E.D.’s television or light or going into her
    room at all.
    ¶11 Detective Timpson testified there was some concern that
    Stricklan was either impaired or intoxicated during the initial
    interview on the night of the incident. 6 But at the time of the follow
    up interview, Stricklan indicated he was sober and had just come
    back from an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.
    ¶12 Stricklan then discussed the events of the night of the
    incident and admitted that he had been drinking. Stricklan indicated
    that he remembered watching television and then “his wife coming
    out yelling at him and waking him up.”
    ¶13 At trial, E.D. testified that what she told Holdaway at the
    CJC was a lie. E.D. testified that Stricklan did not touch her. E.D.
    explained that she woke up during the night because her television
    was off, and she was used to sleeping with the sound on. She
    testified that when she woke up, she saw Stricklan on the floor and
    went to tell Mother. E.D. testified Mother got up and asked Stricklan
    what he was doing. According to E.D., Stricklan responded that he
    did not know, “got scared and so that’s when he told, called the cops
    on himself.”
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    5 At trial, Stricklan’s father testified he received a call from
    Stricklan the morning of the incident. He indicated his son sounded
    impaired or like he “had been drinking a lot” and that Stricklan told
    him he had been “accused of improper behavior.”
    6  Timpson reviewed Holdaway’s recordings of the interviews
    with E.D. and Stricklan and testified about those interviews based on
    his review.
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    ¶14 The State reminded E.D. that she had previously given
    another reason why she woke up that night. When asked about her
    prior statements to Holdaway, E.D. did not want to testify and tried
    to invoke her Fifth Amendment right. The court recessed so E.D.
    could watch a portion of the video of her CJC interview outside the
    presence of the jury.
    ¶15 After watching the video, E.D. was again asked about her
    prior statements to Holdaway during the CJC interview.
    Q: Did that refresh your recollection of what you told
    the detective?
    A: Yes.
    Q: Can you tell me what you told the detective?
    A: That he touched me and stuff and that is a lie
    because I was so scared because I thought I was going
    to get in trouble and then my mom was going to get in
    trouble. So yeah.
    Q: Tell me what you told the detective.
    A: That he touched me right at the bottom.
    ....
    Q: Okay. And did you tell the detective that it was over
    the clothes, under the clothes, or something else?
    A: That part I don’t remember.
    Q: Okay. So touched your bottom and what else did
    you tell the detective about where [Stricklan] touched
    you?
    A: On the back and the chest area.
    Q: Okay. Do you have another word for chest area so I
    understand what you mean?
    ....
    A: My boobs? I don’t know.
    Q: Okay. Is that the right word, boobs? Is that what
    you told the detective indicating where he touched
    you?
    A: Yes, uh-huh (affirmative).
    ¶16 E.D. also testified that she could not remember what she
    told Holdaway about how she had awakened that night. When
    responding to defense counsel’s questioning, E.D. indicated she
    could not remember what she told Holdaway the day of the incident
    or at the CJC because she “couldn’t remember what [she] made up.”
    E.D. confirmed that she had twice told the police that she was
    “touched on the boobs and the butt”—once when Holdaway came
    the night of the incident and once at the CJC interview.
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    ¶17 E.D. said that she told Holdaway a lie because she was
    scared. E.D. offered that “nothing happened” that night. And when
    questioned by defense counsel, E.D. testified she was “100 percent
    sure” that Stricklan did not touch her and that there was “no doubt
    in her mind.” E.D. also testified that nobody had pressured,
    threatened, or promised her anything to say Stricklan did not touch
    her. When asked, “Are you saying that [Stricklan] didn’t touch your
    boobs or your butt because that is 100 percent the truth?” E.D.
    responded, “Yes.”
    ¶18 E.D. also confirmed testimony she had given at Stricklan’s
    preliminary hearing in which she indicated she has had an
    “experience when [she wakes] up and being half awake that [she]
    sometime[s] say[s] crazy and untrue stuff.” When asked by defense
    counsel, E.D. confirmed that “when [she] woke up [she] had one of
    those crazy and untrue moments in which [she] believe[d] that
    [Stricklan] had touched” her. E.D. further testified she was afraid
    when she “told the police the lie” at the CJC and was “afraid that
    [she] and [her] mother were going to get in trouble.”
    ¶19 E.D. testified that when she finally “spoke[] out the truth,
    now I don’t feel like I’m going to get in trouble anymore.” And she
    later testified, “No, I said it didn’t happen, so . . . that’s the truth, it
    didn’t happen.”
    ¶20 The State asked E.D. about the change in her story. The State
    focused on what life had been like after Stricklan left. E.D. testified
    that the house was quiet. She said that she, Mother, and her
    grandparents all missed Stricklan. E.D. also testified that Mother
    cried “a whole bunch of times” after Stricklan’s departure. E.D.
    stated she sees Stricklan “as [her] own father, [she] treats him as
    [her] own father.”
    ¶21 Stricklan did not testify at trial. But the jury heard testimony
    regarding Stricklan’s interview with Holdaway a few days after the
    incident. Two portions of the recorded interview between Holdaway
    and Stricklan were played for the jury.
    Q: Well, has, has she ever lied to you, your daughter?
    A: E.D.?
    Q: E.D.
    A: Never.
    Q: Okay. So do you think she’s making this up?
    A: No.
    Q: You just don’t remember how that happened?
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    A: I don’t have any recollection of it, sir. I’m telling you the
    truth. I have no idea.
    Q: Okay.
    ¶22 The jury also watched the following exchange between
    Holdaway and Stricklan:
    Q: Do you remember turning off or turning on E.D.’s tv?
    A: No, (inaudible).
    Q: Or light or anything? So you don’t? You don’t remember
    going into her room at all?
    A: No, I do not.
    ¶23 Timpson also testified concerning some inconsistencies in
    Stricklan’s accounts. At various times, Stricklan told Holdaway:
    (1) that he did not remember going into E.D.’s room or turning off
    her light; (2) that he did not go into her room; and (3) that he did not
    remember whether or not he went into her room. Timpson further
    testified that Stricklan indicated E.D. was asleep in her room and
    that around eleven p.m. or midnight Mother also went to bed.
    Stricklan indicated he was watching television and “the next thing
    he remembered was his wife coming out yelling at him and waking
    him up” about “the allegations.”
    ¶24 At the close of the State’s case, Stricklan moved for a
    directed verdict. Stricklan relied on cases holding that a single,
    out-of-court and uncorroborated statement cannot sustain a
    conviction as a matter of law.
    ¶25 The district court denied Stricklan’s motion. The court
    distinguished the cases Stricklan cited because E.D. “does not deny
    having made” the out-of-court statements. The district court
    observed that the evidence the State presented was “not real strong
    corroboration, but we’re looking at circumstantial, other evidence
    and what law enforcement found when they went to the house with
    the emotions that were going on, overhearing the statement by
    defendant on the phone . . . .” The district court found that this
    circumstantial evidence was enough to permit the case to go to the
    jury.
    ¶26 The jury convicted Stricklan of two counts of aggravated
    sexual abuse of a child. Stricklan moved to arrest judgment. Stricklan
    again argued the State had not presented evidence to corroborate
    E.D.’s recanted, out-of-court statement.
    ¶27 The district court denied this motion. The court noted that it
    assessed “the evidence viewed in the light most favorable to the
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    jury’s verdict [to] determine if it is sufficiently inconclusive or so
    inherently improbable that reasonable minds must have entertained
    a reasonable doubt as to an element.” Based on that standard, the
    district court found there was “corroborating evidence . . . in the
    totality of what was presented to the jury, in light of that and the
    witnesses who were here and how the entire trial did turn out” and
    there was no cause to reverse the jury verdict.
    ¶28 The district court sentenced Stricklan to fifteen years to life
    for each count, with the sentences to run concurrently. Stricklan
    appeals the district court’s denial of his motions.
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    ¶29 The issue before us is whether the district court erred by
    denying Stricklan’s motions for directed verdict and to arrest
    judgment. Stricklan raises three arguments: (1) there was insufficient
    evidence to convict because, at trial, E.D. denied the truthfulness of
    her out-of-court statement and the State failed to produce any
    evidence to corroborate E.D.’s original account; (2) the State did not
    produce evidence of Stricklan’s intent; and (3) E.D.’s testimony was
    inherently improbable.
    ¶30 We review a district court’s grant or denial of a motion for
    directed verdict and to arrest judgment for correctness. Ferguson v.
    Williams & Hunt, Inc., 
    2009 UT 49
    , ¶ 19, 
    221 P.3d 205
    ; see also State v.
    Workman, 
    852 P.2d 981
    , 984 (Utah 1993). A defendant has a
    “substantial burden on appeal to show that the trial court erred in
    denying a motion for directed verdict.” State v. Gonzalez, 
    2015 UT 10
    ,
    ¶ 27, 
    345 P.3d 1168
    . We will uphold a denial of the motion for
    directed verdict based on an insufficiency of the evidence claim, “if,
    when viewed in the light most favorable to the State, ‘some evidence
    exists from which a reasonable jury could find that the elements of
    the crime had been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.’” 
    Id.
     (quoting
    State v. Montoya, 
    2004 UT 5
    , ¶ 29, 
    84 P.3d 1183
    ). Thus, a defendant
    seeking a directed verdict must show that, “when viewed in the light
    most favorable to the State, no evidence existed from which a
    reasonable jury could find beyond a reasonable doubt” that the
    defendant committed the crime. 
    Id.
     (emphasis added).
    ¶31 Similarly, we reverse the denial of a motion to arrest
    judgment only if “the evidence, viewed in the light most favorable to
    the verdict, is so inconclusive or so inherently improbable as to an
    element of the crime that reasonable minds must have entertained a
    reasonable doubt as to that element.” State v. Workman, 
    852 P.2d 981
    ,
    984 (Utah 1993).
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    ¶32 As to the third issue, under State v. Robbins, a judge ruling
    on a motion to arrest judgment has “leeway to determine whether a
    witness’s testimony is so incredible that it could not have supported
    an essential element of the charge.” 
    2009 UT 23
    , ¶ 21, 
    210 P.3d 288
    .
    The test is whether the testimony is “inherently improbable.”
    Id. ¶ 18. We review an interpretation of the “inherent improbability
    criteria for correctness.” Id. ¶ 13.
    ANALYSIS
    ¶33 Stricklan first asserts that the district court erred when it
    denied his motions because the State presented insufficient evidence
    of his guilt. To prove sexual abuse of a child, the State needed to
    show that Stricklan “touche[d] the anus, buttocks, pubic area or
    genitalia of any child, [or] the breast of a female child, . . . with intent
    to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to any individual or
    with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any
    individual.” UTAH CODE § 76-5-404.1(2). 7 To prove aggravated sexual
    abuse, the State had to demonstrate that “the offense was committed
    by an individual who occupied a position of special trust in relation
    to the victim.” Id. § 76-5-404.1(4)(h). A position of special trust is
    defined to include a stepparent, like Stricklan. See id.
    § 76-5-404.1(1)(c)(xviii).
    ¶34 Thus, to convict Stricklan of aggravated sexual abuse of a
    child, the State was required to produce sufficient evidence that
    Stricklan: (1) touched E.D., a child, on her breast, anus, buttocks,
    pubic area, or genitalia; with (2) an intent to cause substantial
    emotional or bodily pain or arouse or gratify sexual desire; and
    (3) that Stricklan occupied a position of special trust. See id.
    § 76-5-404.1. Stricklan argues the State failed to introduce sufficient
    evidence that he touched E.D. and that any such touching was
    performed to cause pain or arouse sexual desire.
    ¶35 Stricklan’s first argument focuses on the effect of E.D.’s
    recantation of her statements to police that Stricklan had touched
    her. Stricklan contends that this court has held that a conviction
    based solely on an uncorroborated out-of-court statement is
    insufficient evidence to sustain a conviction. See State v. Webb, 
    779 P.2d 1108
    , 1115 (Utah 1989); State v. Ramsey, 
    782 P.2d 480
    , 484 (Utah
    1989). He posits that the State failed to introduce any corroborating
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    7 The code defines a child as an individual under the age of
    fourteen. UTAH CODE § 76-5-404.1(1)(b).
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    evidence, and any evidence the State did present at trial might
    corroborate the fact that E.D. made an allegation but fails to
    corroborate the truth of that allegation.
    ¶36 Stricklan argues that in two cases, Webb and Ramsey, we
    demarcated a bright line rule that a single uncorroborated hearsay
    statement is insufficient to support a verdict. Stricklan avers the
    Webb/Ramsey rule resolves this appeal.
    ¶37 The State contends that Webb and Ramsey are legally and
    factually distinguishable. The district court agreed with the State and
    distinguished Stricklan’s case from Ramsey, reasoning that “in this
    case the alleged victim does not deny having made those
    statements.” And again in ruling on Stricklan’s motion to arrest
    judgment, the district court proclaimed that “this is not the Ramsey
    case” and found corroborating evidence “in the totality of what was
    presented to the jury, in light of that and the witnesses who were
    here and how the entire trial did turn out.” Based on this evidence,
    the district court found no cause to reverse the jury verdict.
    ¶38 We take a different lesson from the holdings of those
    opinions. Rather than concentrate on whether this case most
    resembles Webb, Ramsey, or one of the cases in which we applied
    them, we believe it more helpful to explore the development of that
    case law to understand what considerations inspired us to rule the
    way we did and how those considerations might apply to the facts of
    Stricklan’s case.
    I. The Webb/Ramsey Rule
    ¶39 The rule Stricklan relies upon emerged from two cases
    decided within three months of each other. See State v. Webb, 
    779 P.2d 1108
     (Utah 1989); State v. Ramsey, 
    782 P.2d 480
     (Utah 1989).
    ¶40 In Webb, a jury convicted the defendant of aggravated sexual
    abuse of his 18-month-old daughter. Webb, 779 P.2d at 1108
    (Zimmerman, J., writing separately). Webb visited his daughter at
    his ex-wife’s apartment and was alone with the girl while her mother
    was at work. Id. at 1109. That evening, as the mother was lowering
    the girl into the bath, the child said, “Ow bum.” Id. The mother then
    examined the girl’s bottom, during which the child said, “Ow bum
    daddy.” Id. The mother noticed some redness and swelling. Id. The
    mother took the child to a doctor who observed an anal tear. Id. At
    the doctor’s direction, a photograph was taken of the child’s bottom.
    Id. The State charged Webb with aggravated sexual abuse. Id.
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    ¶41 At trial, the evidence against Webb consisted of the mother’s
    recitation of the child’s statements, the photograph, and the opinion
    of the examining physician that the child had been abused. 
    Id.
    ¶42 Webb introduced the testimony of a pediatric resident who
    reported that her examination of the girl did not reveal any tears,
    fissures, or bruising of the anal area. 
    Id.
     The resident opined the girl
    had not been abused. 
    Id.
     Another pediatrician, who specialized in
    child sexual abuse, reviewed the girl’s medical records, the
    photograph of the girl’s injury, and the treating physician’s report.
    
    Id.
     He opined that the photograph did not show a fissure or injury.
    
    Id.
     The jury convicted Webb, and Webb appealed. 
    Id.
     at 1109–10.
    ¶43 One justice would have found that the district court erred in
    admitting the child’s statement without finding that the child was
    “unavailable” for cross-examination and would have remanded to
    permit the district court to rule on that question. Id. at 1114. The
    Webb majority reacted vehemently to that proposed resolution,
    stating
    [I]t is the view of the Court that there is no point in
    remanding this case to the trial court to determine
    whether the child declarant is unavailable, since a
    remand assumes that defendant can be convicted of the
    crime charged on the basis of a one-and-a-half-year-
    old’s exclamations, “Ow bum,” or “Ow bum daddy.”
    That evidence is not sufficient as a matter of law to
    support a conviction.
    Id. at 1115 (majority opinion).
    ¶44 The majority concluded that it was “beyond credulity” that
    a person could be convicted based on the out-of-court statement of
    an 18-month-old. Id. The court noted that the child could not speak
    in sentences nor engage in a coherent conversation. Id. According to
    the court, “[t]he statement ‘Ow bum’ while being lowered into bath
    water and her later statement, ‘Ow bum daddy,’ do not constitute an
    accusation against defendant of the elements of the crime of child
    abuse.” Id. Indeed, the court reasoned that “[t]he child’s outcry could
    have been to elicit help from her daddy, or it could have had several
    other meanings.” Id. The court also reasoned that even if this
    evidence could allow a jury to conclude that Webb had touched the
    child, it did not speak to any intent to arouse or gratify Webb’s
    sexual desire. Id.
    ¶45 After reciting those evidentiary problems, the court dropped
    a single sentence for legal support: “The law is that a single
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    uncorroborated hearsay statement is not substantial evidence and
    not sufficient to support a verdict.” Id. And it cited United States v.
    Orrico, 
    599 F.2d 113
    , 118 (6th Cir. 1979), for that proposition. Webb,
    779 P.2d. at 1115. The one-line exposition of the law on this subject
    conveyed a certainty that may have been undeserved.
    ¶46 In Orrico, the defendant was convicted of fraudulently
    cashing checks. 
    599 F.2d at 114
    . The government alleged that
    incoming checks were improperly diverted into a separate account
    used to support a struggling business. 
    Id. at 115
    . And the
    government alleged that Orrico had authorized a bookkeeper to
    endorse and deposit checks into that account. 
    Id.
    ¶47 At trial, the bookkeeper did not remember depositing the
    checks. 
    Id.
     at 115–16. But during the investigation, the bookkeeper
    had signed a prepared statement, which was introduced at trial as
    her “past recollection recorded” pursuant to the Federal Rules of
    Evidence. 
    Id. at 115
    . A single sentence in that statement recited that
    Orrico had told the bookkeeper to endorse the checks. 
    Id.
     at 115–16.
    ¶48 Another witness testified that he had deposited a check into
    the account, and that Orrico was at the bank at the time the witness
    deposited the check, but he could not remember if Orrico had
    accompanied him there. 
    Id. at 116
    . He testified he did not remember
    who told him to deposit the check. 
    Id.
     The government tried to
    impeach his lack of memory with his prior testimony before a grand
    jury that Orrico had told him to endorse the check. 
    Id.
    ¶49 In other words, by the time the case reached the jury, the
    only evidence “of the defendant’s involvement, in any way, in the
    deposit of the two checks, [was] contained in one sentence of [the
    bookkeeper’s] statement.” 
    Id.
     at 115–16.
    ¶50 The Sixth Circuit addressed the sufficiency of the
    evidence—specifically, the admissibility of the bookkeeper’s signed
    statement and the witness’s prior testimony. 
    Id. at 116
    . The court
    noted that “the statements were offered as substitutes for the
    testimony which presumably would have been provided if the
    witness had been able to remember the events.” 
    Id. at 117
    . In the end,
    the court noted that the defendant “was faced with a Government
    witness who had given wavering, somewhat inconsistent versions of
    his story in the past and who now professed to remember nothing,
    so the truth of the matter could be pursued no further.” 
    Id.
     The court
    was concerned that the case focused “on the fact that the central
    element of the crime with which the defendant was charged was
    established entirely through the use of out-of-court statements, made
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    at a time when the defendant had no opportunity to cross-examine
    the witnesses as to the accuracy of their accusations.” 
    Id.
    ¶51 In the course of reversing the conviction, the Sixth Circuit
    observed, “It is doubtful, however, that in any but the most unusual
    case, a prior inconsistent statement alone will suffice to support a
    conviction since it is unlikely that a reasonable juror could be
    convinced beyond a reasonable doubt by such evidence alone.” 
    Id. at 118
     (emphases added). 8
    ¶52 The Webb court took that dicta from Orrico and converted it
    into the statement that “[t]he law is that a single uncorroborated
    hearsay statement is not substantial evidence and not sufficient to
    support a verdict.” Webb, 779 P.2d at 1115. Needless to say, we
    overstated Orrico a bit. We took an observation about the difficulty
    of proving a case solely with a prior out-of-court statement and
    declared it to be “the law.” 9
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    8 It appears the Orrico court may have been sensitive to the fact
    that when Federal Rule of Evidence 801(d)(1)(A) was amended in the
    1970s, some were “quick to observe that [use of a prior inconsistent
    statement as substantive] evidence would likely be insufficient to
    support a conviction alone.” United States v. Bahe, 
    40 F. Supp. 2d 1302
    , 1309 (D.N.M. 1998).
    9 It is worth noting that the child’s statement at issue in Webb was
    admitted under a now-repealed section of the Utah Criminal Code
    and that it would not be admissible under our current Utah Rule of
    Evidence 801(d). See Webb, 779 P.2d at 1108–09 (Zimmerman, J.,
    writing separately). Admission under the current rule is premised on
    the declarant’s availability for cross-examination. See UTAH R. EVID.
    801(d)(1)(A) (providing that a statement is not hearsay if “the
    declarant testifies and is subject to cross-examination about a prior
    statement, and the statement[] . . . is inconsistent with the declarant’s
    testimony”). The Webb majority noted that because of the child’s age,
    “the child cannot be cross-examined on that statement or anything
    else related to the alleged crime.” Webb, 779 P.2d at 1115.
    Nor would the statement be admissible under Utah Rule of
    Criminal Procedure 15.5 because that provision requires, among
    other things, that the statement be recorded. See UTAH R. CRIM. P.
    15.5(a) (outlining the requirements to admit the previously recorded
    statement of a child under the age of fourteen concerning sexual or
    physical abuse).
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    ¶53 Shortly after issuing Webb, we were presented with another
    sexual abuse case where a conviction hung on an out-of-court
    statement. See Ramsey, 782 P.2d at 484. A jury convicted Ramsey of
    two counts of sexual abuse of a child. Id. at 482. For the first count,
    the State accused Ramsey of causing his son to lie on top of his
    daughter and put his penis in the girl’s vagina as Ramsey watched.
    Id. The State introduced evidence from a social worker who testified
    that Ramsey’s son told him that Ramsey caused the son to get on top
    of Ramsey’s daughter and engage in intercourse. Id. at 482–83.
    ¶54 At trial, the son testified that he had never said that to the
    social worker. Id. The son also denied that he had ever had sexual
    contact with the girl. Id.
    ¶55 The plurality opinion noted that “the boy’s alleged
    out-of-court statement to [the social worker] is the only evidence that
    supports the conviction” on the charge that the defendant had
    caused the boy to sexually abuse the girl. Id. at 483 (emphasis
    added). The plurality addressed the question of whether Ramsey’s
    conviction on that charge could be supported solely on the boy’s
    unsworn out-of-court statement:
    [W]hen [out-of-court statements are] the only source of
    support for the central allegations of the charge,
    especially when the statements barely, if at all, meet the
    minimal requirements of admissibility, we do not
    believe that a substantial factual basis as to each
    element of the crime providing support for a
    conclusion of guilt beyond reasonable doubt has been
    offered by the Government.
    Id. at 484 (alterations in original) (quoting Orrico, 
    599 F.2d at 118
    ).
    The plurality then stated that “the single out-of-court statement
    attributed to the boy by [the social worker] was insufficient to
    support [Ramsey’s] conviction” on the charge that Ramsey had
    caused his son to sexually abuse his daughter. Id. at 484. And we
    reversed. Id. at 486.
    ¶56 We applied the Webb/Ramsey language in State v. Span, 
    819 P.2d 329
     (Utah 1991). In Span, the defendant appealed his conviction
    for aggravated arson arising out of a suspicious fire that consumed
    his former girlfriend’s house. Id. at 330. The State filed charges based
    upon a witness who told a fire investigator that Span had said “I
    flamed Barbara’s apartment.” Id. at 333 n.2. At trial, however, that
    witness testified “that to the best of her recollection [the defendant’s]
    statement was in fact, ‘Barbara’s apartment is in flames.’” Id. The
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    witness further denied the accuracy of the statement made to the fire
    investigators about Span admitting to “flaming” the apartment. 
    Id.
    ¶57 In the course of our analysis, we characterized Ramsey as
    standing for the proposition that “an out-of-court statement which is
    denied at trial by the declarant is insufficient by itself to sustain a
    conviction.” 
    Id.
     (quoting Ramsey, 782 P.2d at 484) (emphasis added).
    But we held Ramsey did not apply because the State had introduced
    other evidence of Span’s guilt. Id. at 332–33. For example, Span was
    in the vicinity of the fire when it started and had vandalized his ex’s
    car in the aftermath of their breakup. Id.
    ¶58 A couple of years later, we again applied Ramsey. See State v.
    Seale, 
    853 P.2d 862
     (Utah 1993). In Seale, the defendant appealed his
    convictions for rape and aggravated sexual abuse of a child. Id. at
    865. At trial, one of his victims answered “I don’t know” or “I don’t
    remember” to every question about whether Seale had touched her
    or if she had told anyone that he had touched her. Id. at 866. After
    her testimony, the State played the victim’s videotaped interview in
    which she detailed four instances when Seale had abused her. Id. at
    867.
    ¶59 We concluded that the videotaped interview was sufficient
    evidence to sustain Seale’s conviction. Id. at 876. We distinguished
    Seale from Ramsey by reasoning that the victim did not deny she
    made the statement nor that the sexual abuse occurred. Id. We
    ultimately concluded that the “jury was fully entitled to weigh the
    credibility” of the videotaped interview, the victim’s testimony on
    the stand, and the defendant’s contradictory testimony, and decide
    which version of the victim’s story to believe. Id. We noted that the
    jury heard testimony that the victim’s mother had pressured the
    victim to change her story and that the jurors could infer that her
    lack of memory stemmed from that maternal coaxing. Id.
    ¶60 Upon review of our case law, a pattern emerges. Although
    we speak of Webb and Ramsey establishing a “rule” that a single
    uncorroborated, out-of-court statement cannot sustain a conviction,
    it is a rule that does very little analytical work. In all of the cases
    Stricklan cites, we do what we always do when a defendant seeks to
    set aside her conviction arguing insufficient evidence: we review all
    of the evidence before the jury to see if it dispels reasonable doubt of
    the defendant’s guilt. In other words, the Webb/Ramsey rule is more
    of a Webb/Ramsey truism; if the evidence before a jury centers on the
    out-of-court statement of an 18-month-old child, that will very likely
    be insufficient to eliminate reasonable doubt of the defendant’s guilt.
    But, where the out-of-court statement is accompanied by additional
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    persuasive evidence, like the defendant’s motive and presence near
    the scene of the crime in Span or the victim’s motive to change her
    testimony in Seale, sufficient evidence may exist to uphold the
    conviction. See Span, 819 P.2d at 333; Seale 853 P.2d at 876.
    ¶61 We can take some comfort in the fact that we did not march
    down this road unaccompanied. Other states adopted a similar per se
    rule that out-of-court statements, on their own, are insufficient to
    support a conviction. See, e.g., Baugh v. State, 
    961 So. 2d 198
    , 204 (Fla.
    2007) (“As we held in Green and reaffirmed in Beber, ‘a prior
    inconsistent statement standing alone is insufficient as a matter of
    law to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.’” (citations omitted));
    State v. Giant, 
    37 P.3d 49
    , 58 (Mont. 2001) (“Rather, in order to create
    a clear, bright-line rule for trial courts and practitioners, we reaffirm
    our holdings in White Water and in Gommenginger that require prior
    inconsistent statements admitted as substantive evidence of guilt be
    corroborated in order to sustain a conviction.”), overruled in part on
    other grounds by State v. Swann, 
    160 P.3d 511
     (Mont. 2007); see also
    Brower v. State, 
    728 P.2d 645
    , 648 (Alaska Ct. App. 1986) (finding the
    reasoning of Orrico persuasive and reversing a conviction because
    inadequately corroborated retracted grand jury testimony was
    insufficient to sustain the conviction).
    ¶62 But that is not a consensus position. A number of courts
    have been hesitant to adopt such a broad rule and have found prior
    out-of-court-statements to be sufficient evidence to support a
    conviction without requiring corroborating evidence, “so long as a
    witness who makes a prior statement testifies at trial and is subject to
    cross examination, thereby enabling the finder-of-fact to both hear
    the witness’s explanation for making the prior statement” and weigh
    the credibility of the “in-court recantation.” Commonwealth v. Brown,
    
    52 A.3d 1139
    , 1167 (Pa. 2012). When the recanting witness is
    available to testify, and the prior statement is otherwise admissible
    as substantive evidence, these courts appear to see the question as
    one of witness credibility and permit the trier of fact to decide which
    version of the story is most credible.
    ¶63 For example, the California Supreme Court affirmed a
    conviction for assault with a firearm based in part on out-of-court
    identifications of two witnesses. People v. Cuevas, 
    906 P.2d 1290
    , 1304
    (Cal. 1995). It overruled prior case law holding that an out-of-court
    identification is “in all cases insufficient by itself to sustain a
    conviction and must be corroborated by other evidence linking the
    defendant to the crime” and concluded that “individually assessing
    the circumstances of the out-of-court identification to determine
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    whether it is sufficient to support a criminal conviction . . . should be
    applied to all out-of-court identifications.” Id. at 1302.
    ¶64 In Cuevas, two witnesses described and identified the
    gunman the night of the shooting. Id. at 1293. Yet, at trial, one
    witness denied having seen the shooter or describing the gunman to
    the police. Id. at 1294. And the other witness recanted his
    identification of the shooter and claimed he had falsely identified the
    defendant as the shooter as payback for gang related incidents. Id.
    Both witnesses testified they believed it was “wrong to ‘rat off’ a
    member of a rival gang.” Id.
    ¶65 Police officers testified that the witnesses had given physical
    descriptions of the shooter and/or had previous contacts with the
    defendant. Id. Another witness testified that as the shooter
    approached, one of the recanting witnesses exclaimed, “I know that
    guy. He’s from [a rival gang].” Id. Evidence was presented that the
    defendant was a member of the rival gang and that the defendant
    met the physical descriptions provided by the recanting witnesses.
    Id.
    ¶66 Cuevas moved for a judgment of acquittal, arguing there
    was insufficient evidence to convict him, but the trial court denied
    the motion. Id. The California Supreme Court affirmed the
    conviction and concluded “that the availability of the identifying
    witness for cross-examination, the opportunity of the defense to
    present other evidence questioning the reliability of the out-of-court
    identification and to request appropriate jury instructions, and the
    requirement that substantial evidence support the conviction” were
    adequate protections against “the unjust conviction of a defendant
    solely on the basis of an unreliable out-of-court identification.” Id. at
    1304; cf. Watkins v. State, 
    446 N.E.2d 949
    , 961 (Ind. 1983) (rejecting the
    argument that there was insufficient evidence to convict where the
    witness gave conflicting accounts of defendant’s involvement in a
    shooting and the witness was available for cross-examination);
    Brown, 52 A.3d at 1171 (holding that “criminal convictions which rest
    only on prior inconsistent statements of witnesses who testify at trial
    do not constitute a deprivation of a defendant’s right to due process
    of law, as long as the prior inconsistent statements, taken as a whole,
    establish every element of the offense charged beyond a reasonable
    doubt, and the finder-of-fact could reasonably have relied upon
    them in arriving at its decision”).
    ¶67 The common theme among these cases is that an
    out-of-court statement can be sufficient evidence to dispel reasonable
    doubt if the witness can be questioned at trial regarding the change
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    in the witness’s story, and the prior statement, if believed, establishes
    the elements of the charged crime. These courts concluded that when
    presented with a witness (or witnesses) who gives conflicting
    versions of events in question, a jury is well-positioned to decide
    which version best recounts what happened. Indeed, “it is the
    rightful role of the finder-of-fact to resolve the discrepancy between
    the out-of-court statement and the recantation.” Brown, 52 A.3d at
    1167; see also Di Carlo v. United States, 
    6 F.2d 364
    , 368 (2d Cir. 1925)
    (“The possibility that the jury may accept as the truth the earlier
    statements in preference to those made upon the stand is indeed real,
    but we find no difficulty in it. If, from all that the jury see of the
    witness, they conclude that what he says now is not the truth, but
    what he said before, they are none the less deciding from what they
    see and hear of that person and in court.”).
    ¶68 We have not been asked to overrule Webb and Ramsey and
    do not reconsider them here. But we note that this case offers a solid
    example of why we might be tempted to scrub the rule from our
    jurisprudence. The parties spent a lot of time arguing about whether
    Stricklan’s case resembled Webb and Ramsey, and that could have
    pulled our focus from the question we ultimately need to answer:
    did the State introduce sufficient evidence of Stricklan’s guilt? That
    having been said, even assuming a vibrant Webb/Ramsey rule, it
    would only come into play if E.D.’s out-of-court statement was the
    only evidence of Stricklan’s guilt. As we discuss below, it was not.
    II. We Are Not Required to Independently
    Reweigh the Reliability of Prior Inconsistent
    Statements When We Assess the
    Sufficiency of the Evidence
    ¶69 The dissent reads Webb and Ramsey to stand for the
    proposition that “in reviewing the sufficiency of the evidence, an
    appellate court should assess the reliability of hearsay, even where
    the hearsay has been admitted into evidence through a judicially or
    legislatively created exception.” 10 Infra ¶ 139. It reasons that Webb,
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    10 Utah Rule of Evidence 801(d)(1) states that a declarant’s prior
    statement is deemed to not be hearsay if “[t]he declarant testifies and
    is subject to cross-examination about a prior statement” and, among
    other things, the statement “is inconsistent with the declarant’s
    testimony.” E.D.’s prior inconsistent statement is not a hearsay
    statement within the meaning of our rules. See UTAH R. EVID.
    801(d)(1).
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    Ramsey, and Orrico say that “we may weigh the reliability and
    probative value of hearsay in assessing the sufficiency of the
    evidence supporting a guilty verdict.” Infra ¶ 150.
    ¶70 The dissent claims we “ignore” this principle and are
    “unwilling[] to second-guess what [we] deem[] was a ‘credibility’
    determination the jury made . . . .” Infra ¶ 151. The dissent claims
    that we suggest we are “unable to weigh the reliability and the
    probative value of hearsay evidence on appeal,” and therefore our
    reading is “inconsistent with the reasoning in Webb and Ramsey (and
    Orrico).” Infra ¶ 151.
    ¶71 We do not read the cases this way nor do we suggest that
    we can never assess the credibility of evidence before the jury. 11 But
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    11 We recognize that, ordinarily, we “may not reassess credibility
    or reweigh the evidence, but must resolve conflicts in the evidence in
    favor of the jury verdict.” State v. Workman, 
    852 P.2d 981
    , 984 (Utah
    1993). But we have noted that in some circumstances, when
    testimony is “inherently improbable,” the “reviewing court may
    evaluate whether the evidence is so inconclusive or inherently
    improbable that it could not support a finding of guilt beyond a
    reasonable doubt.” Id.; see also State v. Robbins, 
    2009 UT 23
    , ¶¶ 16–19,
    
    210 P.3d 288
     (discussing that courts may reconsider witness
    testimony that is “inherently improbable”).
    If we decided to carve out an exception to the general rule along
    the lines that the dissent does here—that is, an exception that would
    require us to conduct our own independent assessment of the
    reliability of properly admitted prior inconsistent statements as part
    of a sufficiency-of-the-evidence review—this would be a departure
    from our normal practice of affording deference to the trier of fact’s
    credibility determinations.
    We should also recognize that this would appear to be an
    exception that we have not previously recognized. The dissent has
    not offered anything to support a conclusion that we have actually
    ever considered and adopted a rule allowing us to replace the jury’s
    view of the reliability of a prior inconsistent statement with our own
    when evaluating the sufficiency of the evidence. The dissent cites a
    single justice’s concurrence from a 1916 Utah case for the proposition
    that “appellate courts have nevertheless considered hearsay’s
    ‘unreliable character . . . in determining the weight that should be
    given it.’” Infra ¶ 140 (alteration in original) (quoting Johnson v.
    Geddes, 
    161 P. 910
    , 917–18 (Utah 1916) (McCarty, J., concurring)). This
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    we, unlike the dissent, fall back on the unremarkable proposition
    that the trier of fact is in a superior position to assess credibility. See
    infra ¶ 113. Despite the dissent’s protests, we continue to push back
    against the suggestion that the rule Webb announced is very helpful
    to an appellate court. And, frankly, the dissent must have some of
    the same concerns with Webb because it reworks Webb’s holding.
    ¶72 The dissent reads Webb to make “clear that even where a
    hearsay      statement    is    deemed      admissible   through     a
    legally-recognized hearsay exception, we may nevertheless assess
    the reliability and evidentiary weight of the statement as part of our
    sufficiency analysis.” Infra ¶ 148. Even if that were what Webb does,
    that is not what Webb says. Webb unequivocally states that the “law is
    that a single uncorroborated hearsay statement is not substantial
    evidence and not sufficient to support a verdict.” State v. Webb, 
    779 P.2d 1108
    , 1115 (Utah 1989).
    ¶73 The dissent also disagrees with our statement that any
    “rule” Webb and Ramsey may have established only comes into play
    when there is no other evidence beyond the hearsay statement
    introduced at trial. Infra ¶¶ 152, 158. We say that because that is
    what Webb and Ramsey say. Webb, 779 P.2d at 1115 (discussing that
    Webb’s “conviction stands almost entirely on one out-of-court
    declaration” and that “a single uncorroborated hearsay statement is
    not substantial evidence and not sufficient to support a verdict”
    (emphases added)); State v. Ramsey, 
    782 P.2d 480
    , 483–84 (Utah 1989)
    (stating that Ramsey’s conviction was supported “solely by the boy’s
    unsworn out-of-court statement” and “a conviction that is based
    entirely on a single, uncorroborated hearsay out-of-court statement
    that is denied by the declarant in court under oath cannot stand”
    (emphases added)). We also say that because that is what this court
    has said Webb and Ramsey say. See, e.g., State v. Span, 
    819 P.2d 329
    ,
    333 n.2 (Utah 1991) (reasoning that Ramsey’s holding “that ‘an
    out-of-court statement which is denied at trial by the declarant is
    insufficient by itself to sustain a conviction’” was not at play because
    of additional evidence that placed the defendant near the crime
    (emphasis added)).
    ¶74 The dissent argues that the Webb/Ramsey rule must be
    broader because those cases examined more evidence than just a
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    is not controlling, and we are not persuaded that we have ever
    articulated the rule the dissent wants us to apply.
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    single out-of-court uncorroborated statement. Infra ¶ 152. It also
    contends that a better reading of Webb, Ramsey, and Orrico is that
    “where a conviction is based entirely or ‘almost entirely’ on hearsay
    evidence, we should determine whether other evidence, which
    ‘differs from’ the hearsay, ‘strengthens or confirms’ what the hearsay
    evidence shows.” Infra ¶ 164.
    ¶75 If that is what Webb and Ramsey actually said, we might
    agree with the dissent about their application to the evidence the
    jury heard. But that is not what those cases say. After reviewing the
    dissent, our problem with Webb and Ramsey remains the same: those
    cases pronounced a rule and created a dynamic where parties, like
    those here, are incentivized to focus their fight on whether the
    Webb/Ramsey rule applies. And that fight can occur to the detriment
    of reasoned analysis of all of the evidence in front of the jury.
    ¶76 To further support its determination that we should review
    the reliability of the out-of-court statement, the dissent points to two
    cases from other jurisdictions. First, it cites an opinion of the
    Massachusetts Supreme Court, Care & Protection of Rebecca, 
    643 N.E.2d 26
     (Mass. 1994). Infra ¶ 140 n.32. The dissent says this case
    “explain[s] that under ‘traditional principles governing the use of
    hearsay evidence’ courts should ‘assess the reliability of such
    evidence in connection with deciding how much weight to accord
    it.’” Infra ¶ 140 n.32. But the Massachusetts Supreme Court was
    interpreting a specific Massachusetts statute regarding the
    admissibility of hearsay statements made by young victims of sexual
    abuse. See Care & Prot. of Rebecca, 643 N.E.2d at 33 (citing MASS. GEN.
    LAWS ch. 233, § 83). 12
    ¶77 The Massachusetts court held that a person seeking to admit
    a statement under the statute “may offer the evidence, but implied in
    the statute is a requirement that a judge assess the reliability of such
    evidence in connection with deciding how much weight to accord to
    it.” Id. In other words, the Massachusetts court inferred a reliability
    requirement into the statute. And it justified this extra-textual
    exercise because the requirement would strike “a permissible
    balance between the competing interests involved in a care and
    protection case.” Id. This case does not establish the proposition, as
    the dissent suggests, that appellate courts are required to review the
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    reliability of prior inconsistent statements when reviewing the
    sufficiency of the evidence. See infra ¶ 139; cf. infra ¶ 140, n.32.
    ¶78 The dissent also cites to the Montana Supreme Court’s
    decision in State v. Giant, 
    37 P.3d 49
     (Mont. 2001), overruled in part on
    other grounds by State v. Swann, 
    160 P.3d 511
     (Mont. 2007), to support
    the assertion that “sufficiency of [the] evidence is completely
    dependent on its reliability.” Infra ¶ 145 (quoting Giant, 
    37 P.3d at 56
    ). This overstates Giant’s holding. The Giant court reasoned that
    the “issue of sufficiency of the evidence when a conviction is based
    on a prior inconsistent statement alone demonstrates that sufficiency
    is dependent on the reliability of that statement.” Giant, 
    37 P.3d at 58
    (emphasis added). The Giant court did opine, as the dissent observes,
    that it must gauge the reliability of prior inconsistent statements by
    assessing whether the prosecution had introduced evidence that
    corroborated the prior inconsistent statement. See 
    id.
     at 58–59. And it
    noted that other courts, and other courts’ rules of evidence, dealt
    with the reliability concerns in other ways. See 
    id.
     at 53–58. For
    example, New Jersey has developed a fifteen-factor test to assess
    whether a court should admit a prior inconsistent statement as
    substantive evidence. 13 See 
    id.
     at 57 (citing State v. Mancine, 
    590 A.2d 1107
    , 1115 (N.J. 1991)).
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    13 Those 15 factors are:
    (1) the declarant’s connection to and interest in the
    matter reported in the out-of-court statement, (2) the
    person or persons to whom the statement was given,
    (3) the place and occasion for giving the statement,
    (4) whether the declarant was then in custody or
    otherwise the target of investigation, (5) the physical
    and mental condition of the declarant at the time,
    (6) the presence or absence of other persons,
    (7) whether the declarant incriminated himself or
    sought to exculpate himself by his statement, (8) the
    extent to which the writing is in the declarant’s hand,
    (9) the presence or absence, and the nature of, any
    interrogation, (10) whether the offered sound recording
    or writing contains the entirety, or only a portion of the
    summary, of the communication, (11) the presence or
    absence of any motive to fabricate, (12) the presence or
    absence of any express or implicit pressures[,]
    inducement[,] or coercion for making the statement,
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    ¶79 The Giant court ultimately concluded that the only
    corroborating evidence the prosecution had presented was evidence
    that the defendant had fled the crime scene. Id. at 60. Because
    Montana considers evidence of flight insufficient to support a
    conviction by itself, the court concluded that evidence of flight was
    also insufficient evidence to corroborate the prior inconsistent
    statement. See id.
    ¶80 The Giant court reached that conclusion over a dissent that
    posited that the majority’s beef was really with the Montana Rule of
    Evidence that characterizes prior inconsistent statements as
    non-hearsay and permits them to be admitted as direct, substantive
    evidence. See id. at 60–62 (Gray, C.J., dissenting). And the two
    dissenting justices would have sustained the conviction because of
    the “extent and timing” of the victim’s prior statements. Id. at 62. The
    dissenting justices observed that “almost immediately after” the
    assault, the victim told the physician examining her that the
    defendant had assaulted her. Id. The next day, the victim told other
    doctors that the defendant assaulted her and she repeated that
    assertion to police. Id. The dissent reasoned that “statements made
    nearer in time to the incident could be considered by the jury to be
    more accurate and free from outside influences than those made
    later.” Id.
    ¶81 The Giant dissent also examined the quality of the flight
    evidence, noting that the defendant had cleaned out all of his bank
    accounts and moved his minor children into a hotel before he
    allegedly assaulted the victim. Id. at 61. The defendant also
    abandoned the truck he had used to flee. Id. The dissent concluded
    this was sufficient evidence to uphold the conviction, even after the
    victim recanted at trial her statements that the defendant had
    assaulted her. See id. at 62 (“It is my view that, because they were
    corroborated by substantial flight evidence, the jury was entitled to
    weigh [the victim’s] prior statements, together with her trial
    testimony and credibility, and find beyond a reasonable doubt that
    Giant was the assailant.”). In instances where the declarant is
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    (13) whether the anticipated use of the statement was
    apparent or made known to the declarant, (14) the
    inherent believability or lack of believability of the
    statement, and (15) the presence or absence of
    corroborating evidence.
    State v. Gross, 
    577 A.2d 806
    , 810 (N.J. 1990) (citation omitted).
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    available for cross-examination about the change in the statements,
    the Giant dissent’s approach resonates with us more than the lead
    opinion.
    ¶82 All that having been said, neither Giant nor its dissent, nor
    Care & Protection of Rebecca, bind our decision here. Nor are they
    particularly helpful in illuminating the question at hand: what do
    Webb and Ramsey require of a court performing a sufficiency of the
    evidence review? Even taking the cases the dissent here cites into
    consideration, we return to our view that Webb and Ramsey do not
    materially alter the task we perform when a party challenges the
    sufficiency of the evidence underlying a conviction. We look at all
    the evidence before the jury to determine “if, when viewed in the
    light most favorable to the State, ‘some evidence exists from which a
    reasonable jury could find that the elements of the crime had been
    proven beyond a reasonable doubt.’” State v. Gonzalez, 
    2015 UT 10
    ,
    ¶ 27, 
    345 P.3d 1168
     (citation omitted). And while we may, in this
    case, weigh the evidence differently than the dissent, we still look to
    determine if “evidence existed from which a reasonable jury could
    find beyond a reasonable doubt” that the defendant committed the
    crime. 
    Id.
    III. The State Placed Sufficient Evidence
    Before the Jury that Stricklan Touched E.D.
    ¶83 Because Webb and Ramsey purport to apply when the only
    evidence of guilt consists solely of an uncorroborated out-of-court
    statement, Stricklan argues the State did not present evidence to
    corroborate E.D.’s out-of-court statement that he inappropriately
    touched her. Stricklan’s framing of the question has the potential to
    distract from the relevant inquiry. As we have just discussed, when
    reviewing a challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence, we look at
    all of the properly admitted evidence before the jury to ensure that
    the State introduced enough evidence to permit the jury to find guilt
    beyond a reasonable doubt. E.D.’s prior inconsistent statement was
    not the only evidence of Stricklan’s guilt before the jury.
    ¶84 Stricklan argues the “totality of the evidence” against him
    consists of: “(i) the timing of Child’s reports; (ii) Child’s mother
    confronting Mr. Stricklan; (iii) an officer testifying that he heard Mr.
    Stricklan tell his parents on the phone that he needed a ride because
    he acted inappropriately; (iv) Mr. Stricklan acknowledging that
    Child had never lied and he did not think Child was making it up;
    (v) Child’s ‘vague and nonsensical testimony’ at trial; and
    (vi) Child’s testimony that she and her mother were sad and missed
    Mr. Stricklan.” He argues none of this evidence corroborates E.D.’s
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    initial story and only shows that E.D. made an out-of-court
    statement and people reacted to it. 14 We disagree with the assertion
    that this constitutes insufficient evidence to support a conviction.
    ¶85 The State introduced evidence which, if believed, could
    permit the jury to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Stricklan
    touched E.D. First, in response to questioning from the State, the jury
    heard E.D. confirm that when the police arrived on the morning
    following the incident, she told Detective Holdaway that Stricklan
    had touched her on the “boobs and the bottom.” It also heard E.D.
    testify that she went to the CJC with Mother and again told
    Holdaway that Stricklan had touched her “right at the bottom” and
    on her “back and chest area.” E.D. clarified that by “chest area” she
    meant her “boobs.” 15 It also heard Officer Dallof confirm that he
    overheard Holdaway interviewing Stricklan and that Stricklan “said
    that he was watching TV when his wife had come out and told him
    that her daughter said that he touched her.”
    ¶86 E.D. testified that Mother asked Stricklan about what he was
    doing in E.D.’s room. Officer Hulse testified that when she arrived at
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    14 The dissent echoes this, saying that “the evidence supporting
    Mr. Stricklan’s conviction amounts to nothing more than an
    out-of-court statement, . . . and witness testimony regarding how
    people reacted to this out-of-court statement before it was recanted.”
    Infra ¶ 171. Even if this were true, it is not immediately apparent
    why we would discount Stricklan’s statement to the police crediting
    the allegations E.D. made against him just because that statement
    was a “reaction” to those allegations. Indeed, an unqualified
    confession could also be characterized as a reaction to an allegation.
    15  While E.D.’s inability (or perhaps unwillingness) to recall
    whether she had reported that the touching occurred over or under
    her clothes may be something to consider when assessing the
    sufficiency of the evidence, it does not have conclusive legal
    significance. “[A]ny touching, even if accomplished through
    clothing, is sufficient to constitute the relevant element of the offense
    [for] . . . sexual abuse of a child or aggravated sexual abuse of a
    child” under Utah Code section 76-5-404.1. UTAH CODE § 76-5-
    407(3)(b); see also State v. Escamilla-Hernandez, 
    2008 UT App 419
    , ¶ 9
    n.3, 
    198 P.3d 997
     (“We note that in cases where the victim is under
    fourteen years of age, a touching over clothing satisfies the statute.”
    (citations omitted)).
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    the residence, Mother appeared to have been crying. E.D. also
    testified that Mother was crying when the police arrived at the
    house. And Dallof’s testimony indicated Mother told Stricklan that
    E.D. said he had touched her. On this evidence, a reasonable jury
    could conclude that Mother’s apparent belief that Stricklan was
    capable of, and had engaged in, what E.D. alleged lent credence to
    E.D.’s initial report.
    ¶87 Dallof testified that Stricklan originally told Holdaway that
    he had entered E.D.’s room to turn off the light and television.
    Supra ¶ 7. E.D. testified that she had awakened during the night
    because her television was off, and that when she woke up, she saw
    Stricklan on the floor and went to tell Mother. Supra ¶ 13. Thus, the
    jury heard testimony that Stricklan had entered E.D.’s bedroom
    sometime after she went to bed, but before police arrived at
    approximately 5:00 a.m.
    ¶88 Dallof also testified that he heard Stricklan tell someone on
    the phone that he acted “inappropriately.” Dallof took a note when
    he heard that statement so that he could “transfer that verbatim into
    [his] report.”
    ¶89 During Detective Timpson’s testimony, the State played a
    portion of Holdaway’s interview with Stricklan a few days after the
    incident. The jury heard Stricklan, in response to police questioning,
    indicate that he had not known E.D. to lie. The jury also heard
    Stricklan tell Holdaway that he did not think that E.D. had made up
    the story of him touching her. 16
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    16 The dissent challenges the persuasive value of this testimony
    because the jury would have been “well-aware” that by trial
    Stricklan “denied committing the crime charged” and would have
    heard his counsel “mount a vigorous defense against this charge.”
    Infra ¶ 172 n.87. But this misses the point. The jury heard the
    defendant tell the police investigating allegations that he had
    improperly touched a ten-year-old child that he did not think that
    she was making up those very allegations. Even if he later denied the
    truth of E.D.’s statements to the police, the jury could conclude that
    telling the police that he did not think the victim was fabricating her
    report of abuse is not the best way to proclaim his innocence and is,
    in fact, rather damning evidence of his guilt. And the jury, who
    watched the recorded exchange between Stricklan and Holdaway,
    was free to not credit Stricklan’s counsel’s argument that Stricklan
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    ¶90 The State also presented evidence that could suggest a
    motive for the change in E.D.’s story.17 E.D. testified what life had
    been like after Stricklan left the house. E.D. testified that she, Mother,
    and her grandparents all missed Stricklan. E.D. also testified that
    Mother cried “a whole bunch of times” when Stricklan left. E.D.
    stated she sees Stricklan “as [her] own father, [she] treats him as
    [her] own father.” Like in Seale, this was evidence from which the
    jury could infer E.D. changed her story because she missed Stricklan
    or did not want her mother to be sad because he was gone.
    ¶91 Stricklan disagrees that this is sufficient evidence to support
    a conviction and compares his case to a decision of a divided Florida
    Supreme Court. See Baugh v. State, 
    961 So. 2d 198
     (Fla. 2007). A
    Florida court convicted Baugh of capital sexual battery of his
    girlfriend’s daughter. 
    Id. at 201
    . The night of the incident, the girl
    told her mother and a detective that Baugh forced her to fellate him.
    
    Id.
     at 200–01. At trial, the girl testified that her original story to her
    mother and the detective was a “fib which she made up to get Baugh
    in a little, but not that much trouble because sometimes he made her
    mad.” 
    Id. at 201
     (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks
    omitted). The girl also explained that she maintained this story
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    was just “confused” when he told the detective that he did not think
    that E.D. had made up her allegations.
    17 We have recognized that a motive for a witness to change
    testimony can be evidence to support a conviction. State v. Seale, 
    853 P.2d 862
    , 876 (Utah 1993). In Seale, the child responded, “I don’t
    remember,” to each question about whether the defendant had
    touched her. Id. at 866. The child’s mother testified she was afraid of
    losing custody of her daughter. Id. She denied encouraging her
    daughter “to forget things in an effort to retain custody.” Id. (internal
    quotation marks omitted). However, the mother’s sister testified that
    the mother had called her the night before the trial in an attempt to
    get her “not to say anything in court.” Id. at 867. We determined it
    would have been reasonable for the jury to conclude that the mother
    also asked her daughter not to say anything, which prompted the
    daughter to respond “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” when
    asked about the abuse. Id. at 867, 876. There was evidence “from
    which the jury could have reasonably inferred” that the child’s
    memory loss was “in response to her mother’s pressure to keep the
    incidents quiet.” Id. at 876.
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    because she was “afraid of what her mother might do if she found
    out that [the girl] had lied.” Id.
    ¶92 The prosecution introduced evidence from the detective, the
    child protection team nurse, and the girl’s mother about the girl’s
    prior statements. Id. The prosecution also introduced testimony from
    an inmate imprisoned with Baugh who claimed he heard Baugh
    telling visitors they had to get the girl to recant her story. Id. Another
    family friend testified that the girl told her the abuse really
    happened, but the girl’s mother wanted her to change her story. Id.
    There was no physical or direct evidence to support the girl’s
    original claim of abuse. Id. Baugh appealed, claiming the girl’s
    “out-of-court statements were insufficient to sustain his conviction.”
    Id.
    ¶93 In a 4-3 decision, the Florida Supreme Court noted that the
    “only direct evidence” was the girl’s “out-of-court hearsay
    statements” which she “completely recanted” at trial. Id. at 203. It
    then examined the circumstantial corroborating evidence. Id. It noted
    that “recanted statements can sustain a sexual battery conviction
    ‘when other proper corroborating evidence is admitted.’” Id. at 204
    (citation omitted). The court quoted Black’s Law Dictionary that
    corroborating evidence is “[e]vidence that differs from but
    strengthens or confirms what other evidence shows,’ especially ‘that
    which needs support.’” Id.
    ¶94 The majority determined that the “other evidence”
    presented during trial “did not actually ‘corroborate’ the recanted
    out-of-court statements” and reversed the conviction. Id. at 202, 204.
    It concluded that “[w]here the evidence creates only a strong
    suspicion of guilt or simply a probability of guilt, the evidence is
    insufficient to sustain a conviction.” Id. at 205. And it also stated that
    “evidence is insufficient to support a conviction when it requires
    pyramiding of assumptions or impermissibly stacked inferences.” Id.
    ¶95 The dissent in Baugh was concerned that the majority
    opinion “nullifie[d] a jury’s guilty verdict based essentially on
    credibility choices.” Id. at 205 (Cantero, J., dissenting). Three
    members of the Florida high court would have affirmed the
    conviction because “the majority takes this close case away from the
    jury, and usurps the jury’s factfinding function in making credibility
    determinations.” Id. at 211.
    ¶96 The dissent would have found the “sum total of the
    evidence” in the case sufficient to let it go to the jury. Id. at 207. It
    reasoned corroborating evidence should be viewed cumulatively to
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    determine if it was sufficient to convict. 
    Id.
     The dissent noted this
    was “a close case” but opined that the child’s “shocking description
    of the incident established elements of the offense; and though it was
    insufficient by itself to convict the defendant, the other evidence
    introduced clearly corroborated the child’s story.” 
    Id. at 210
    . The
    dissent concluded that “[c]ombined with her statements, the
    evidence was sufficient to submit the case to the jury, whose job it
    was to sort out the conflicting stories and the credibility issues”
    regarding the conflicting statements. 
    Id.
    ¶97 The dissent was also concerned that “by deeming the
    [recanted statement] in this case insufficient, the majority will make
    it virtually impossible to convict sexual offenders whenever the
    victim recants and no physical evidence is available.” 
    Id.
     The dissent
    concluded
    [T]he very purpose of juries is to distinguish between
    the true and the false, between the sincere and the
    coerced. With no way to view the demeanor of the
    witnesses during their testimony, appellate courts are
    poorly equipped for that role. In cases such as this,
    where corroborating evidence strongly supports the
    child’s original accusations of sexual abuse and also
    points toward a forced recantation, we should leave to
    the jury the responsibility for evaluating witness
    credibility and arriving at the truth.
    
    Id.
     at 210–11.
    ¶98 Stricklan urges this court to see the world the way the Baugh
    majority does. Stricklan compares his case to Baugh and contends
    that the other evidence presented at trial was not “so powerful as to
    eliminate reasonable doubt arising from [E.D.]’s sworn,
    cross-examined, in-court testimony that Mr. Stricklan did not touch
    her.”
    ¶99 Much like we do with the divided Montana Supreme Court
    in Giant, we find ourselves more moved by the dissent in Baugh. And
    we conclude that a reasonable jury could look at all of the evidence
    presented to it—including Stricklan’s less-than-convincing denial of
    the allegations against him, Stricklan’s statement that he acted
    inappropriately, E.D.’s two initial reports of abuse, and E.D.’s less-
    than-convincing explanation for why she changed her story at trial—
    and decide beyond a reasonable doubt that Stricklan had touched
    E.D. inappropriately.
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    ¶100 Ultimately, this came down to a question about whether
    the jury believed that E.D. told the truth during her first two reports
    of abuse or when she testified at trial. It is the role of the jury to
    determine the credibility of evidence and testimony. 18 “The jury is
    the exclusive judge of credibility.” UTAH CODE § 78B-1-128(4). “Thus
    when conflicting or disputed evidence is presented at a jury trial, the
    ‘jury serves as the exclusive judge of both the credibility of the
    witnesses and the weight to be given particular evidence.’” State v.
    Prater, 
    2017 UT 13
    , ¶ 31, 
    392 P.3d 398
     (quoting State v. Workman, 
    852 P.2d 981
    , 984 (Utah 1993)). The jury was in the best position to hear
    and evaluate the evidence at trial. It could weigh the credibility of
    E.D.’s reason for recanting, Stricklan’s testimony as to the events of
    the night of the incident, and the weight of the other circumstantial
    evidence from the events of the night.
    ¶101 All of this evidence assumes importance to our analysis in
    two ways. First, it pulls this case outside the ambit of the
    Webb/Ramsey “rule,” which purports to apply when the jury is only
    given a single, out-of-court and uncorroborated statement on which
    to convict. Second, the totality of the evidence presented here is
    enough to permit the jury to believe that E.D.’s initial recitation that
    Stricklan had inappropriately touched her was correct. And that her
    recantation was motivated not by a desire to set the record straight
    but to ameliorate the negative consequences of Stricklan’s absence
    from their home.
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    18 The dissent states it is “the majority’s view that it cannot make
    its own assessment of the evidentiary weight of E.D.’s hearsay
    statement.” Infra ¶ 166. This overstates our position. We contend that
    the better practice is to recognize that, when an assessment of
    credibility turns on observing a witness and her demeanor, we
    afford deference to the trier of fact that had the opportunity to assess
    the witness’s credibility. But recognizing that we grant deference is
    not a declaration that we must always defer. In this business, we
    sometimes find that judges and juries have abused the discretion
    given them. We can foresee instances where the circumstances
    surrounding the recantation of the prior statement and the paucity of
    other evidence of the defendant’s guilt would cause us to conclude
    that no reasonable jury could credit the prior inconsistent statement
    in a way that would dispel reasonable doubt. This is just not that
    case here.
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    ¶102 We give a “healthy dose of deference” to jury verdicts.
    State v. Nielsen, 
    2014 UT 10
    , ¶ 41, 
    326 P.3d 645
    ; see also Mackin v. State,
    
    2016 UT 47
    , ¶ 20, 
    387 P.3d 986
     (“We grant substantial deference to a
    jury verdict.”); Workman, 
    2005 UT 66
    , ¶ 29 (“The standard of review
    for a sufficiency claim is highly deferential to a jury verdict.”); see
    also Baugh, 
    961 So. 2d at
    205–11 (Cantero, J., dissenting). Under our
    deferential standard, enough evidence was before the jury to allow it
    to dispel reasonable doubt that Stricklan had inappropriately
    touched E.D. See State v. Gonzalez, 
    2015 UT 10
    , ¶ 27, 
    345 P.3d 1168
    (“[Defendant] must therefore show that, when viewed in the light
    most favorable to the State, no evidence existed from which a
    reasonable jury could find beyond a reasonable doubt.” (emphasis
    added)).
    IV. The State Presented
    Sufficient Evidence of Intent
    ¶103 Stricklan also argues that the State did not forward
    evidence of “intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to
    any individual or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual
    desire of any individual.” UTAH CODE § 76-5-404.1(2). Stricklan
    argues that there was no evidence in front of the jury that could
    allow it to conclude that he touched E.D. with the intent to arouse
    sexual desire.
    ¶104 The district court rejected this argument, reasoning that
    the State had adduced enough circumstantial evidence of Stricklan’s
    intent to meet its burden. Specifically, the district court discussed
    “what law enforcement found when they went to the house with the
    emotions that were going on, overhearing the statement by the
    defendant on the phone, [and] what we learned from the interview
    today, among other things” as corroborating evidence. The district
    court concluded there was “sufficient evidence presented from
    which a jury acting reasonably could convict the defendant and the
    State has, in fact, established a prima facie case.” We agree.
    ¶105 We have stated that “intent can be proven by
    circumstantial evidence.” State v. James, 
    819 P.2d 781
    , 789 (Utah
    1991). “The factfinder, however, is entitled to draw all reasonable
    inferences from the facts and from the actions of the defendant.”
    State v. Cooley, 
    603 P.2d 800
    , 802 (Utah 1979). Additionally, “unless a
    confession is made by the defendant concerning intent, or unless the
    court is somehow able to open the mind of the defendant to examine
    his motivations, intent is of necessity proven by circumstantial
    evidence.” James, 819 P.2d at 789.
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    ¶106 “The criminal intent of a party may be inferred from
    circumstances such as presence, companionship, and conduct before
    and after the offense . . . .” State v. Briggs, 
    2008 UT 75
    , ¶ 13, 
    197 P.3d 628
    (emphasis added) (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks
    omitted). And “[w]hen intent is proven by circumstantial evidence,
    we must determine (1) whether the State presented any evidence
    that [Defendant] possessed the requisite intent, and (2) whether the
    inferences that can be drawn from that evidence have a basis in logic
    and reasonable human experience sufficient to prove that
    [Defendant] possessed the requisite intent.” State v. Holgate, 
    2000 UT 74
    , ¶ 21, 
    10 P.3d 346
     (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks
    omitted).
    ¶107 The court of appeals has had more opportunities than we
    have had to opine on what evidence suffices to demonstrate intent to
    cause pain or arouse sexual desire. See, e.g., State v. Watkins, 
    2011 UT App 96
    , 
    250 P.3d 1019
    , rev’d on other grounds, 
    2013 UT 28
    , 
    309 P.3d 209
    ; State v. Tueller, 
    2001 UT App 317
    , 
    37 P.3d 1180
    . For example, in
    Watkins, the defendant was convicted of aggravated sexual abuse of
    a child. 
    2011 UT App 96
    , ¶ 1. While staying at a relative’s house,
    Watkins drank “a significant amount of alcohol [one] night,” and a
    child in the home awoke to find Watkins in her bed and kissing her
    on the side of her head. Id. ¶ 3. After the child asked him to stop and
    leave, Watkins began “pinching or rubbing her buttocks with his
    hand.” Id. (internal quotation marks omitted). Watkins left after the
    second time the child told him to leave, but he later returned to give
    her a $100 bill and told her not to tell anyone about the money. Id.
    The court of appeals found sufficient evidence of intent because
    there appeared to be “no legitimate reason” for Watkins to be in the
    child’s room at the time of the incident and there was no alternative
    explanation for why he kissed the child “wetly on the side of her
    head for approximately three minutes” and pinched and rubbed the
    child’s buttocks for two minutes. Id. ¶ 18. And giving the child $100
    immediately following the incident could be construed to mean that
    Watkins knew he had done something wrong. Id.
    ¶108 In Tueller, the defendant was convicted of sexual abuse of
    a child. 
    2001 UT App 317
    , ¶ 1. A witness observed Tueller in a men’s
    bathroom, “laying on top of . . . a nine-year-old girl with an I.Q. of
    60, on the bathroom floor.” Id. ¶ 2. Tueller’s pants were “pulled
    down to his buttocks” and the girl’s underwear was “pulled down to
    her knees and her legs were kind of open.” Id. (internal quotation
    marks omitted). Tueller had one knee between the girl’s legs and his
    head was on her chest. Id. The court of appeals found this evidence
    sufficient to support intent to “arouse or gratify the sexual desire of
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    any person” since there was “no conceivable explanation for the
    circumstances” where the witness viewed Tueller on top of the girl.
    Id.¶ 20; see also In re D.M., 
    2013 UT App 220
    , 
    310 P.3d 741
     (finding
    circumstantial evidence of intent when the minor dared the victim to
    crawl under a futon before pulling down the victim’s pants and
    touching the victim’s testicles); State v. Bair, 
    2012 UT App 106
    , 
    275 P.3d 1050
     (finding circumstantial evidence of intent in a letter in
    which defendant admitted to being addicted to “‘touchy/feely’
    aspects of sex, and the abuse [the victim] reported coincide[d] with
    this admitted addiction”); State v. Singh, 
    2011 UT App 396
    , 
    267 P.3d 281
     (finding circumstantial evidence of intent to include expressions
    of love and kissing the victim); State v. Maness, 2010 UT App 370U,
    
    2010 WL 5452078
     (finding circumstantial evidence of intent included
    entering a massage room early, moving drapes, touching genitalia
    during a massage procedure that did not require such touching, and
    lingering after concluding the massage); State v. Hall, 
    946 P.2d 712
    ,
    724 (Utah Ct. App. 1997) (finding circumstantial evidence of intent
    included pulling down the victim’s shorts and underwear and
    stroking her genital area).
    ¶109 As the court of appeals has observed, intent can
    “reasonably be inferred with a basis in logic and human experience.”
    State v. Von Niederhausern, 
    2018 UT App 149
    , ¶ 20, 
    427 P.3d 1277
    (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks omitted) (finding the
    defendant’s conduct was “more than just a simple, familial gesture
    or a harmless or accidental physical act”). The same analysis and
    logic apply in this case. We review the sufficiency of the evidence of
    intent to determine whether a reasonable jury could have found this
    element was met beyond a reasonable doubt.
    ¶110 E.D. testified that she originally told officers that Stricklan
    touched her “boobs” and “right at the bottom.” The jury could
    reasonably conclude that Stricklan touching both E.D.’s breasts and
    buttocks negated any suggestion that he accidentally touched her.
    ¶111 Furthermore, E.D.’s first reaction after the alleged
    touching was to wake up Mother and tell her what happened. This
    also tends to indicate the touch was neither accidental nor incidental.
    And the jury could reasonably infer that when a grown man enters
    the room of a child after she goes to bed and touches her breasts and
    buttocks that the purpose of such touching was sexual gratification.
    ¶112 Mother questioned Stricklan, and Stricklan eventually
    called the police. The detective’s response was to ask Stricklan to
    leave the house that night, at which point the jury heard testimony
    that Stricklan admitted to acting “inappropriately” on a phone call to
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    his father. Again, the jury could reasonably infer from Stricklan’s
    characterization of how he had acted that Stricklan touched E.D.
    with the requisite intent.
    ¶113 We have repeatedly recognized that the jury is in the best
    position to judge the credibility of testimony and weigh the
    evidence. See Mackin v. State, 
    2016 UT 47
    , ¶ 20, 
    387 P.3d 986
     (“We
    grant substantial deference to a jury verdict.”); State v. Nielsen, 
    2014 UT 10
    , ¶ 41, 
    326 P.3d 645
     (recognizing the “healthy dose of deference
    owed to factual findings and jury verdicts”); State v. Workman, 
    2005 UT 66
    , ¶ 29, 
    122 P.3d 639
     (“The standard of review for a sufficiency
    claim is highly deferential to a jury verdict.”). We do not fault the
    district court for deferring to the jury’s determination that Stricklan
    touched E.D. with the requisite intent.
    V. The Dissent’s Alternative Narrative Does Not
    Demonstrate that the Jury Must Have Entertained
    a Reasonable Doubt About Stricklan’s Guilt
    ¶114 The dissent presents an alternative reading of each of the
    individual facts and testimony that the State presented to the jury.19
    But imagining other ways the jury might have interpreted pieces of
    evidence is not our assigned task. When reviewing the sufficiency of
    the evidence to sustain a conviction
    [t]he question presented is not whether we can
    conceive of alternative (innocent) inferences to draw
    from individual pieces of evidence, or even whether
    we would have reached the verdict embraced by the
    jury. It is simply whether the jury’s verdict is
    reasonable in light of all of the evidence taken
    cumulatively, under a standard of review that yields
    deference to all reasonable inferences supporting the
    jury’s verdict.
    State v. Ashcraft, 
    2015 UT 5
    , ¶ 24, 
    349 P.3d 664
    . In Ashcraft, we
    concluded that there was sufficient evidence before the jury that the
    defendant was “in constructive possession” of drugs. Id. ¶ 30. We
    then concluded that “[w]e cannot disturb the jury’s conclusion just
    because it could have reasonably come to a different one.” Id. And in
    response to the Ashcraft dissent’s presentation of an alternative
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    19 But, as we explain, the dissent also fails to indulge inferences in
    favor of the verdict and, in some instances, improperly dismisses the
    evidence the jury heard.
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    explanation for the evidence against the defendant, we stated, “the
    fact that we can identify an ‘equally’ plausible alternative inference
    is not nearly enough to set [a] verdict aside.” Id. ¶ 25. In the end, the
    issue is “not whether some other (innocent) inference might have
    been reasonable. It is simply whether the inference adopted by the
    jury was sustainable.” Id. ¶ 27; see also Mackin v. State, 
    2016 UT 47
    ,
    ¶ 29, 
    387 P.3d 986
     (citing Ashcraft and other cases establishing our
    duty in reviewing the sufficiency of the evidence); State v. Law, 
    2020 UT App 74
    , ¶ 12, 
    464 P.3d 1192
     (same). So, even if there is another
    interpretation of the facts, our job is to determine whether the
    version adopted by the jury was sufficiently persuasive to remove
    reasonable doubt of the defendant’s guilt.
    A. The Jury Could Reasonably Conclude
    that Stricklan Touched E.D.
    ¶115 The dissent dismisses E.D.’s testimony concerning her
    previous reports of abuse as “a reference to an out-of-court statement
    in which E.D. claimed that Mr. Stricklan” touched her and
    “testimony regarding how others reacted to this claim.” Infra ¶ 170.
    ¶116 To characterize E.D.’s testimony as a “reference” ignores
    the reality of what the State presented to the jury. The jury heard
    E.D. confirm that she had twice told the police that Stricklan had
    touched her—once the night of the incident and another at the CJC
    interview. After E.D. watched her CJC interview outside the
    presence of the jury, the prosecutor questioned E.D., in front of the
    jury, about the statements she had previously made to the detective.
    She was asked questions about what she told the detective. The State
    asked her to confirm that she had told the detective that Stricklan
    touched her “right at the bottom.” Although E.D. could not
    remember whether she had told the detective if Stricklan had
    touched her over or under her clothing, she confirmed that she had
    said that Stricklan touched her “on the back and chest area,” and she
    clarified that when she said “chest area” she meant her “boobs.” This
    is more than just a passing reference to a previous statement E.D.
    had made.
    ¶117 The dissent points out that the jury did not see E.D.’s
    demeanor when she made the out-of-court statements to the
    detective. Infra ¶ 173. But the jury did see the prosecutor question
    E.D. about her previous statements to the police that Stricklan
    touched her. And the jury heard E.D.’s trial testimony that Stricklan
    did not touch her, and it heard the testimony of other witnesses as
    described above. The jury was in the best position to weigh all the
    evidence and determine the credibility of that evidence. It may not
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    have had the advantage of seeing E.D. twice tell her original story
    that Stricklan touched her, but it was in a better position than the
    members of this court to weigh her testimony about what she had
    said against her recantation, as well as all the other evidence
    presented at trial.
    ¶118 The dissent spends a lot of time offering alternative
    interpretations of the evidence the jury heard. For instance, it claims
    that the fact that Mother “was crying when police arrived” was not
    inconsistent with E.D.’s recantation. Infra ¶ 175. And that Mother’s
    questioning Stricklan could have been the duty of a responsible
    mother and that “a mother is likely to investigate [an allegation of
    sexual abuse] even if she suspects it might not be true.” Infra ¶ 175.
    The dissent also says that when Stricklan said that he needed a ride
    because he “acted inappropriately” it is possible that the officer
    misheard Stricklan. Infra ¶ 178. Or, that even if the officer heard
    Stricklan correctly, it could be “reasonable to assume” that
    Stricklan’s reference to inappropriate acts was a reference to “his
    excessive drinking and not to any acts of sexual abuse.” Infra ¶ 180. 20
    ¶119 And although the dissent paints a portrait of how a jury
    might have interpreted this evidence, that is not the entirety of our
    job when reviewing the sufficiency of the evidence. We review the
    evidence, “viewed in the light most favorable to the State, [to
    determine if] ‘some evidence exists from which a reasonable jury
    could find that the elements of the crime had been proven beyond a
    reasonable doubt.’” State v. Gonzalez, 
    2015 UT 10
    , ¶ 27, 
    345 P.3d 1168
    (citation omitted). It is of no moment that we can offer alternative
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    20 The dissent also dismisses Stricklan’s concessions to police that
    E.D. had never lied to him and that he did not believe that she was
    making up her story. To the dissent, Stricklan’s admissions can be
    discounted because E.D. lied at least once “either in her out-of-court
    statement or under oath at trial.” Infra ¶ 176.
    This misses the mark. The importance of this testimony is not that
    the jury heard that E.D. had never lied to Stricklan, so the jury
    should think that E.D. always tells the truth. The importance is that
    the jury heard a detective, while interrogating Stricklan about the
    allegations E.D. had levelled against him, ask Stricklan, “So do you
    think she’s making this up?” And the jury heard Stricklan say, “no.”
    The jury could reasonably conclude that this not only corroborated
    E.D.’s reports of abuse but also that it was a functional admission of
    guilt.
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    explanations, or even that we would have reached a different
    conclusion had we served on the jury. The question is whether
    enough evidence existed to permit the jury to reach its verdict. For
    the reasons we have explained, the State presented sufficient
    evidence to support the conclusion that Stricklan inappropriately
    touched E.D. And that conclusion ends our ability to second-guess
    what the jury concluded.
    B. The Jury Could Reasonably Conclude that
    Stricklan Touched E.D. with the Requisite Intent
    ¶120 The dissent also agrees with Stricklan that the State failed
    to introduce sufficient evidence to permit the jury to conclude that
    he touched E.D. with the “intent to cause substantial emotional or
    bodily pain to any individual or with the intent to arouse or gratify
    the sexual desire of any individual.” UTAH CODE § 76-5-404.1(2). The
    dissent likens this case to a court of appeals decision, State v.
    Whitaker, 
    2016 UT App 104
    , 
    374 P.3d 56
    . Infra ¶ 185. In Whitaker, the
    defendant was also accused of aggravated sexual abuse of his
    stepdaughter. 
    2016 UT App 104
    , ¶¶ 1, 3. The girl testified that
    Whitaker took her hand and “slowly put it between his legs,” “on his
    private part,” while her “palm was up.” Id. ¶ 4. The court of appeals
    noted there was no evidence that Whitaker acted suggestively,
    attempted to ensure the child’s silence, or that he held the child’s
    hand in place or “otherwise manipulated it.” Id. ¶ 15. Because the
    court was unwilling to take a “speculative leap,” it concluded the
    State did not present any evidence other than the touch itself, and
    that meant there was insufficient evidence to prove Whitaker acted
    with the requisite intent. Id. ¶¶ 18–19. Namely, the State did not
    present “evidence other than the act itself, which act was not a
    typical sexual activity” to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that
    Whitaker acted with the requisite intent. Id. ¶ 18.
    ¶121 We were not afforded an opportunity to review that
    decision. And while we are not in position to review it now, we view
    with some skepticism the conclusion that it takes a “speculative
    leap” to conclude that a grown man who places a child’s hand on his
    penis does so for the purpose of sexual arousal. We would also note
    that here, unlike in Whitaker, there was other circumstantial evidence
    present that Stricklan acted with the requisite intent. See supra
    ¶¶ 110–13. Most notably, E.D.’s report that she was touched both
    “right at the bottom” and on her “boobs.” See supra ¶ 110.
    ¶122 The dissent nevertheless accuses us of similarly taking a
    “speculative leap” because E.D.’s out-of-court statements “did not
    provide any additional details from which we could infer intent.”
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    Infra ¶ 188. The dissent again presents another way the jury could
    have interpreted the evidence that Stricklan touched E.D.: that he
    inadvertently touched her while tucking her in. Infra ¶¶ 189–90.
    ¶123 In the end, the dissent may offer an alternative
    explanation, but it does not demonstrate how that other explanation
    must have created reasonable doubt in the jury’s collective mind. See
    Ashcraft, 
    2015 UT 5
    , ¶ 30 (“We cannot disturb [a] jury’s conclusion
    just because it could have reasonably come to a different one.”). As
    noted above, the jury could conclude that when a grown man enters
    the room of a child after she has gone to bed, and touches her in two
    intimate places, and shortly thereafter tells his father that he has
    acted inappropriately, that he has acted with the requisite intent.
    VI. Stricklan Did Not Preserve His Argument
    that E.D.’s Testimony Was Inherently Improbable
    ¶124 Stricklan also argues that E.D.’s testimony was inherently
    improbable. Stricklan points to our decision in State v. Robbins in
    which we tossed out a conviction because the victim’s testimony was
    inherently improbable. 
    2009 UT 23
    , 
    210 P.3d 288
    .
    ¶125 The State counters that the Robbins argument is
    unpreserved. The State argues that Stricklan’s motions to the district
    court only raised “one specific issue—that his conviction could not
    stand on the basis of E.D.’s recanted prior statements alone, relying
    on Webb and Ramsey.” Stricklan claims that the State misunderstood
    his argument and that he is arguing that even if this court overruled
    or narrowed Webb and Ramsey, “for the same reasons he argued
    below and on appeal that the evidence fails under the Webb/Ramsey
    rule, the evidence is also so inconclusive and inherently improbable
    that a reasonable jury could not have believed beyond a reasonable
    doubt that he committed the offenses.” We agree that Stricklan has
    not preserved the Robbins issue as it concerns a distinct legal theory
    from those he argued below.
    ¶126 When we talk about preservation, “our case law draws a
    distinction between new ‘issues’ (like distinct claims or legal
    theories) and new ‘arguments’ in support of preserved issues.” Hand
    v. State, 
    2020 UT 8
    , ¶ 6, 
    459 P.3d 1014
     (citing State v. Johnson, 
    2017 UT 76
    , ¶ 14 n.2, 
    416 P.3d 443
    ). In Johnson we stated that how an appellant
    argues the issue is “semantics” and what is required is for courts to
    “look at the underlying policies to determine whether new
    arguments are actually entirely new issues.” Johnson, 
    2017 UT 76
    ,
    ¶ 14 n.2 (citing Patterson v. Patterson, 
    2011 UT 68
    , ¶ 15, 
    266 P.3d 828
    ).
    Our case law “confirms that we view issues narrowly, but also
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    [makes] it clear that new arguments, when brought under a properly
    preserved issue or theory, do not require an exception to
    preservation. Such arguments include citing new authority or cases
    supporting an issue that was properly preserved.” 
    Id.
    ¶127 An issue is preserved if it was presented before the district
    court “in such a way that the court has an opportunity to rule on it.
    To provide the court with this opportunity, the issue must be
    specifically raised [by the party asserting error], in a timely manner,
    and must be supported by evidence and relevant legal authority.” Id.
    ¶ 15 (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks).
    ¶128 Here the district court did not have an opportunity to rule
    on the Robbins issue. Indeed, the district court never would have
    known that Stricklan wanted it to assess the inherent improbability
    of E.D.’s testimony. None of the arguments below articulated a
    Robbins argument nor suggested that E.D.’s testimony was
    “inherently improbable.” Stricklan’s arguments in both of his
    motions are largely, if not solely, tied to Ramsey and Webb.
    ¶129 We do not find anywhere in the record where Stricklan
    referenced Robbins, the Robbins standard, argued that E.D.’s
    testimony met this standard, or asked that E.D.’s testimony be
    entirely disregarded.
    ¶130 Stricklan’s best preservation argument focuses on his
    motion to arrest judgment. There, Stricklan quoted a chunk of our
    decision in State v. Workman, 
    852 P.2d 981
    , 984 (Utah 1993), regarding
    the standard a court should employ to decide whether to set aside a
    verdict for insufficient evidence. In Workman, we stated, “a trial court
    may arrest a jury verdict when the evidence, viewed in the light
    most favorable to the verdict, is so inconclusive or so inherently
    improbable as to an element of the crime that reasonable minds must
    have entertained a reasonable doubt as to that element.” 852 P.2d at
    984 (citing e.g., State v. Petree, 
    659 P.2d 443
    , 444 (Utah 1983)).
    Although Stricklan quoted that language to the district court, he
    never argued that E.D.’s testimony was “inherently improbable.”
    ¶131 Before us, Stricklan argues that the district court’s
    language briefly used the term “inherently improbable” when it
    ruled on his motion to arrest judgment. The district court stated, “I’ll
    assess the evidence viewed in the light most favorable to the jury’s
    verdict and determine if it is sufficiently inconclusive or so inherently
    improbable that reasonable minds must have entertained a reasonable
    doub[t] as to an element.” (Emphasis added.) But again, it appears
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    that this was simply a reference to the general standard Workman
    articulated and not a sign that the district court actually considered
    whether E.D.’s testimony was inherently improbable. Because this
    issue was not presented to the district court, it is not preserved.
    CONCLUSION
    ¶132 We give great weight to a jury verdict. A jury is in the best
    position to assess evidence and determine credibility of witness
    testimony. In this case, the evidence was sufficient to sustain
    Stricklan’s convictions. The State presented evidence to corroborate
    E.D.’s original claim that Stricklan had touched her breasts and
    buttocks. And the State introduced sufficient evidence to permit the
    jury to conclude that Stricklan had touched E.D. with the required
    intent. Any argument that E.D.’s testimony was inherently
    improbably is unpreserved. Accordingly, we affirm Stricklan’s
    convictions.
    CHIEF JUSTICE DURRANT, dissenting:
    INTRODUCTION
    ¶133 We must decide whether Mr. Stricklan can be convicted of
    aggravated sexual abuse where there is no physical evidence that
    E.D.—the alleged victim—was sexually abused (let alone physical
    evidence connecting Mr. Stricklan to the alleged crime), no witnesses
    who testified under oath that they believed sexual abuse occurred or
    that Mr. Stricklan committed the crime, and no expert testimony
    opining that the alleged victim had been abused, and where the only
    two people (E.D. and Mr. Stricklan) who would have personal
    knowledge of the facts underlying the alleged abuse now
    unequivocally maintain that no crime occurred. The majority
    concludes the evidence is sufficient because E.D. had previously
    made unsworn, out-of-court statements claiming the crime occurred.
    According to the majority, it was the jury’s role to weigh the
    “credibility” of these statements against the credibility of E.D.’s
    unequivocal recantation at trial. And the majority affirms
    Mr. Stricklan’s conviction because it is unwilling to second guess
    what it deems to be the jury’s credibility determination. I disagree.
    ¶134 In my view, the majority errs in failing to apply the
    controlling precedent we established in State v. Webb and State v.
    Ramsey regarding convictions that are based almost entirely on
    uncorroborated hearsay. And the majority errs in its ultimate
    conclusion because E.D.’s previous hearsay claim—upon which
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    Mr. Stricklan’s conviction is entirely based—is insufficient to
    establish the elements of sexual abuse, especially to establish the
    element of intent.
    ANALYSIS
    ¶135 I disagree with the majority’s determination that the
    evidence in this case is sufficient to sustain Mr. Stricklan’s guilty
    verdict. In my view, the majority errs in making this determination
    for two reasons. First, the majority errs in concluding that the
    principles established in State v. Webb 21 and State v. Ramsey 22 apply
    only in cases where the “evidence of guilt consists solely of an
    uncorroborated out-of-court statement.” 23 Because the principles
    established in Webb and Ramsey apply any time the State introduces
    hearsay statements as evidence, those principles apply to our review
    of E.D.’s out-of–court statements in this case. And in applying those
    principles to the facts of this case (where there is no physical
    evidence of a crime—or Mr. Stricklan’s connection to it—and, at trial,
    the only two people who would have personal knowledge of the
    alleged crime unequivocally maintained that no crime occurred), I
    conclude the evidence is insufficient to support a guilty verdict.
    ¶136 Second, the majority errs in concluding there is sufficient
    evidence of the “intent” element. Even were I to disregard the legal
    principles discussed in Webb and Ramsey, I would nevertheless
    conclude that E.D.’s hearsay evidence, which amounted to nothing
    more than a reference to a past claim of touching, is insufficient to
    support a finding that Mr. Stricklan had the requisite criminal intent.
    For these reasons, I dissent.
    I. The Majority Errs in Misreading and, as a Result,
    Wholly Discounting Our Holdings in
    State v. Webb and State v. Ramsey
    ¶137 The majority misreads our holdings in State v. Webb 24 and
    State v. Ramsey. 25 As the majority notes, Mr. Stricklan’s and the
    State’s briefings focused primarily on the applicability of our
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    21 
    779 P.2d 1108
     (Utah 1989).
    22   
    782 P.2d 480
     (Utah 1989).
    23   Supra ¶ 83.
    24   
    779 P.2d 1108
     (Utah 1989).
    25   
    782 P.2d 480
     (Utah 1989).
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    holdings in those cases. Mr. Stricklan argued that Webb and Ramsey
    established the bright-line rule that a single, uncorroborated hearsay
    statement is insufficient to support a verdict. Although the State
    does not contest this characterization, it argues that Webb and Ramsey
    are factually distinguishable and, therefore, do not apply.
    ¶138 The majority, on the other hand, takes “a different lesson
    from the holdings of those opinions.” 26 After a careful review of our
    opinions in Webb, Ramsey, and their progeny, the majority concludes
    that Webb and Ramsey do not establish a bright-line rule, as the
    parties have argued. Instead, the majority explains that under Webb
    and Ramsey, “we do what we always do when a defendant’s seeks to
    set aside her conviction arguing insufficient evidence: we review all
    of the evidence before the jury to see if it dispels reasonable doubt of
    the defendant‘s guilt.” 27 So far so good. I agree with the majority’s
    reading of Webb and Ramsey to this point.
    ¶139 But the majority’s reading of Webb and Ramsey comes off
    the rails when it states that the rule established in those cases does
    “very little analytical work.”28 As I’ll explain, this suggests that the
    majority misses the central point in our Webb and Ramsey decisions:
    that in reviewing the sufficiency of the evidence, an appellate court
    should assess the reliability of hearsay, even where the hearsay has
    been admitted into evidence through a judicially or legislatively
    created exception. 29 And, where a conviction is based “almost
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    26 Supra ¶ 38.
    27   Supra ¶ 60.
    28   Supra ¶ 60.
    29 It appears that the majority and I are in agreement that neither
    Webb nor Ramsey modifies the traditional inquiry we use when we
    consider a challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence. Supra ¶ 82.
    The majority is also correct in noting that although “we may, in this
    case, weigh the evidence differently,” we both agree that our inquiry
    is aimed at determining whether “evidence existed from which a
    reasonable jury could find beyond a reasonable doubt” that the
    defendant committed the crime. Supra ¶ 82. So I disagree with the
    majority only to the extent it suggests that appellate courts are
    barred from assessing the reliability of hearsay evidence in making
    their sufficiency assessment. In my view, that is the central point of
    our decisions in Webb and Ramsey. See infra ¶¶ 140-65.
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    entirely” on an unreliable hearsay statement, the evidence is
    insufficient to sustain a conviction. After discussing the legal
    principles in Webb and Ramsey, I will apply them to this case.
    A. Webb and Ramsey Make Clear that Courts May Assess
    the Reliability of Hearsay Statements and that, Where a
    Conviction is Based Almost Entirely on Unreliable Hearsay,
    the Evidence is Insufficient to Sustain the Conviction
    ¶140 Due to the inherent unreliability of hearsay, courts have
    long treated hearsay statements with caution. “A hearsay statement
    can never be subjected to the same degree of scrutiny through cross-
    examination as can live testimony. Thus, the opponent may never be
    able to expose, and the trier of fact never learn, the possible
    reliability problems of a given hearsay statement. This is true even
    when the declarant takes the witness stand and relates his or her
    own prior out-of-court statement.” 30 So, “[i]n the absence of special
    reasons, the perceived untrustworthiness of [hearsay] has led the
    Anglo-Saxon legal system to exclude it . . . despite its potentially
    probative value.”31 And, even where special reasons exist to admit
    hearsay—because the hearsay is admissible through a common-law
    or legislative exception—appellate courts have nevertheless
    considered hearsay’s “unreliable character . . . in determining the
    weight that should be given it.”32
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    30 Stanley A. Goldman, Guilt by Intuition: The Insufficiency of Prior
    Inconsistent Statements to Convict, 65 N.C. L. REV. 1, 17 (1986).
    31 Laurence H. Tribe, Triangulating Hearsay, 87 HARV. L. REV. 957,
    958 (1974).
    32  Johnson v. Geddes, 
    161 P. 910
    , 917–18 (Utah 1916) (McCarty, J.,
    concurring); see also Care & Prot. of Rebecca, 
    643 N.E.2d 26
    , 33 (Mass.
    1994) (explaining that under “traditional principles governing the
    use of hearsay evidence” courts should “assess the reliability of such
    evidence in connection with deciding how much weight to accord
    it”). The majority suggests that the Rebecca case is distinguishable
    because it dealt with “a specific Massachusetts statute regarding the
    admissibility of hearsay statements made by young victims of sexual
    abuse.” Supra ¶ 76. But in this case we are also dealing with hearsay
    statements made by a young victim of sexual abuse that were
    admitted under an enacted exception to the traditional hearsay bar.
    So the cases, and the policies underlying them, are substantially
    similar.
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    ¶141 For example, in United States v. Orrico, 33 the Sixth Circuit
    Court of Appeals reversed a criminal conviction after considering
    the evidentiary weight of hearsay evidence. In that case, a man had
    been convicted of a crime based “entirely” on hearsay evidence. 34 In
    assessing the sufficiency of this evidence, the court noted that under
    common law hearsay principles, the hearsay statements at issue
    would have been inadmissible as substantive evidence of the
    defendant’s guilt. 35 But, because the federal evidence rules had
    recently been amended to create “a very broad standard of
    admissibility with the goal of placing all relevant evidence before the
    trier of fact,” the hearsay had been admitted. 36
    ¶142 But the fact that the hearsay evidence was admissible did
    not settle the dispute over the evidence’s sufficiency. As the court
    noted, even where the admission of hearsay evidence enables the
    government “to make out a prima facie case,” it is “unlikely that a
    reasonable juror could be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt by
    such evidence alone.” 37 The court further explained that it could
    “conceive of such an ‘unusual case,’ where, for example, a purely
    technical element of a crime is established solely through” formerly
    inadmissible hearsay evidence and there exists a “strong indicia of
    reliability and an adequate foundation” for that evidence. 38 But,
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    The majority also points out that the court’s holding in Rebecca
    did not require courts to consider the reliability of hearsay statements
    after they had been admitted. Supra ¶¶ 76–77. Very well. I do not
    argue that Webb or Ramsey establishes a bright-line requirement to
    conduct a reliability analysis of hearsay in every case. Instead, my
    only point is that our decisions in Webb and Ramsey are consistent
    with the “traditional principles governing the use of hearsay
    evidence” recognized in Rebecca: that even where hearsay evidence
    has been admitted through a valid exception, courts are nevertheless
    free to “assess the reliability of such evidence in connection with
    deciding how much weight to accord it.”
    33   
    599 F.2d 113
     (6th Cir. 1979).
    34   
    Id. at 117
    .
    35   
    Id.
    36   
    Id.
    37   
    Id.
     at 118 at (emphasis added).
    38   Id.(emphasis added).
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    according to the court, “when such evidence is the only source of
    support for the central allegations of the charge,” the government
    could not meet its burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt,
    “that a substantial factual basis [existed] as to each element of the
    crime.” 39
    ¶143 In other words, even though the court in Orrico noted that
    formerly inadmissible hearsay evidence “may be used to corroborate
    evidence which otherwise would be inconclusive, [to] fill in gaps in
    the Government’s reconstruction of events, or [to] provide valuable
    detail which would otherwise have been lost through lapse of
    memory,” it held that the government fails to “to sustain its burden
    of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt” where hearsay evidence
    is “the sole evidence of a central element of the crime charged.” 40
    ¶144 As the Montana Supreme Court explained in State v. Giant,
    the “entire analysis in [Orrico] revolves around the questionable
    reliability of [hearsay] statements.” 41 After noting this, the court in
    Giant conducted a similar analysis.
    ¶145 In that case, the court considered a number of state and
    federal cases, including Orrico, in its effort to determine whether an
    out-of-court statement provided sufficient evidence to sustain a
    conviction. 42 In so doing, the court recognized that recent
    amendments to its rules of evidence, which allowed previously
    inadmissible hearsay to be admitted as substantive evidence, had
    created some tension between “the issue of admissibility and the
    issue of sufficiency.” 43 The court noted that the “[s]ufficiency of
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    39 
    Id.
    40   
    Id. at 119
    .
    
    37 P.3d 49
    , 56 (Mont. 2001), overruled on other grounds by State v.
    41
    Swann, 
    160 P.3d 511
     (Mont. 2007).
    42   Id. at 50.
    43  Id. at 55. The court in Giant explained that it was not alone in
    grappling with this issue: “[a]fter the modernization of [a hearsay
    rule regarding prior inconsistent statements], state and federal case
    law began to struggle with the issue of the sufficiency of prior
    inconsistent statements as the sole proof supporting a conviction.”
    Id. I note that the hearsay at issue in this case was admitted under
    Utah’s counterpart to the prior-inconsistent statement rule discussed
    in Giant.
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    evidence is a determination that depends on the facts specific to a
    case and addresses the question of whether the evidence supports a
    conviction such that any rational trier of fact could find guilt beyond
    a reasonable doubt.” 44 But it explained that when “a conviction is
    supported solely by a prior inconsistent statement, a review of the
    evidence for sufficiency so as to assess whether any rational trier of
    fact could find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt inevitably involves a
    review of the degree of reliability of the prior inconsistent statement.” 45 For
    this reason, according to the court, the “sufficiency of such evidence
    is completely dependent on its reliability.” 46
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    44   Id.
    45   Id. (emphasis added).
    46 Id. at 56. The majority argues that I have overstated the holding
    in Giant. 
    Supra ¶ 78
    . But the majority concedes that the court in Giant
    conducted its sufficiency of the evidence review by “gaug[ing] the
    reliability” of hearsay statements and that it gauged the reliability of
    these statements by “assessing whether the prosecution had
    introduced evidence that corroborated the [hearsay].” Supra ¶ 78.
    But that is my only point. I argue that our decisions in Webb and
    Ramsey adopted the rule that when courts are assessing the
    sufficiency of evidence, they are permitted to weigh the reliability of
    hearsay evidence as a part of that assessment. The majority, in
    contrast, states that it is bound to presume that the hearsay
    statement in this case is reliable because it has identified other
    evidence that can be interpreted consistent with a guilty verdict.
    Supra ¶ 71. This is inconsistent with what we did in Webb and Ramsey
    and with what the majority and dissent did in Giant. See Giant, 
    37 P.3d at 60
     (Gray, C.J., dissenting) (expressing agreement with
    “virtually everything” in most of the majority opinion, including the
    majority’s assertion that a sufficiency-of-the evidence review
    “inevitably involves a review of the degree of reliability of
    [hearsay]”). In fact, the majority’s approach is an approach the
    majority and dissent in Giant explicitly rejected.
    In Giant, the State of Montana argued that the hearsay statements
    at issue “should be considered reliable and sufficient as the sole basis
    for identifying Giant as the assailant because [the declarant’s] prior
    statements were consistent with the physical evidence, three of her
    statements were given right after the incident, at least one was tape-
    recorded, and [one of the statements] was notarized.” 
    Id. at 59
    . But
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    ¶146 So the decisions in Orrico and Giant establish that even
    where formerly inadmissible hearsay evidence is deemed admissible
    under a more recently created hearsay exception, appellate courts
    should nevertheless weigh the evidence’s reliability as part of its
    sufficiency assessment.
    ¶147 Our reasoning in Webb is consistent with this principle. In
    Webb, we reversed a conviction for sexual abuse that stood “almost
    entirely on one out-of-court declaration of [a] child.” 47 In so doing,
    we noted that a recent legislative enactment allowed for the
    “[a]dmission of hearsay statements by child sexual abuse victims.” 48
    And we explained that before the legislature enacted this statute, “it
    was almost certain that the testimony of a child as young as the
    victim [in the case] would not be admissible.” 49 But even though the
    hearsay statement was admissible through a legislative exception to
    the hearsay rule, this did not prevent us from weighing that
    statement’s probative value on appeal.
    ¶148 Rather, we explained, based on the circumstances in the
    case, that it was “beyond credulity that the law could allow a
    conviction to stand on such evidence.” 50 And, citing the Sixth
    Circuit’s decision in Orrico, we stated that “a single uncorroborated
    hearsay statement is not substantial evidence and not sufficient to
    support a verdict.” 51 So our decision in Webb makes clear that even
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    the court rejected this argument because it was based on a
    misunderstanding of its case law. According to the court, Montana
    case law required that “statements must be corroborated by
    independent evidence of Giant’s identity as the assailant for the
    denial of directed verdict to stand.” 
    Id.
     In other words, it was not
    enough that there was additional evidence that could reasonably be
    interpreted consistent with the crime at issue. For hearsay evidence
    to be sufficient to support a conviction, the State needed to present
    evidence that independently corroborated the hearsay statement. In
    view of the plain language of our opinions in Webb and Ramsey, it is
    clear that Utah requires the same. See infra ¶¶ 159-65.
    47   779 P.2d at 1115.
    48   Id. at 1110.
    49   Id.
    50   Id. at 1115.
    51   Id.
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    where a hearsay statement is deemed admissible through a legally-
    recognized hearsay exception, we may nevertheless assess the
    reliability and evidentiary weight of the statement as part of our
    sufficiency analysis.
    ¶149 This is also true of our Ramsey opinion. In that case, we
    again considered whether a conviction for sexual abuse, which was
    based almost entirely on hearsay evidence, was sufficient.52
    Although we acknowledged that the hearsay evidence was properly
    admitted as “substantive evidence,” we explained that “not all
    substantive evidence is of equal probative value.” 53 And we noted
    that a “conviction not based on substantial reliable evidence cannot
    stand.” 54 After considering the facts presented in the case, including
    the fact that the child who made the hearsay statement at issue had
    denied the truthfulness of that statement in court and under oath, we
    cited Orrico for the proposition that where hearsay statements are
    “the only source of support for the central allegations of the charge,”
    the government has not met its burden of offering “a substantial
    factual basis as to each element of the crime providing support for a
    conclusion of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.” 55 And we cited Webb
    for the proposition that a “single uncorroborated hearsay statement
    was not substantial evidence and not sufficient to support the
    verdict.”56
    ¶150 Based on these principles, we concluded that “a conviction
    that is based entirely on a single, uncorroborated hearsay out-of-
    court statement that is denied by the declarant in court under oath
    cannot stand.” 57 And for this reason, we deemed the evidence in the
    case insufficient to uphold the guilty verdict. 58 So our decision in
    Ramsey, like the decisions in Orrico and Webb, makes clear that, on
    appeal, we may weigh the reliability and probative value of hearsay
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    52 Ramsey, 782 P.2d at 482–83.
    53   Id. at 483.
    54   Id.
    55   Id. at 484.
    56   Id.
    57   Id.
    58   Id.
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    in assessing the sufficiency of the evidence supporting a guilty
    verdict.
    ¶151 This is an important principle. But it is one the majority
    seems to ignore in affirming Mr. Stricklan’s conviction. As noted
    above, the majority dismisses our decisions in Webb and Ramsey as
    doing “very little analytical work.” 59 And it ultimately grounds its
    decision on an unwillingness to second-guess what it deems was a
    “credibility” determination the jury made between E.D.’s trial
    testimony and her recanted out-of–court statements. But in so doing,
    the majority suggests, contrary to what we did in Webb and Ramsey,
    that we are unable to weigh the reliability and the probative value of
    hearsay evidence on appeal. So the majority’s reasoning is
    inconsistent with the reasoning in Webb and Ramsey (and Orrico).
    ¶152 In fact, the majority takes its misreading of our Webb and
    Ramsey opinions one step further when it concludes that the
    existence of other, circumstantial evidence takes this case “outside
    the ambit of the Webb/Ramsey ‘rule.’” 60 As I will discuss in part B of
    this section, when the principles discussed in Webb and Ramsey are
    applied to the facts of this case, the evidence is insufficient to sustain
    Mr. Stricklan’s conviction. But, first, I note that the majority’s
    conclusion that the reasoning we employed in Webb and Ramsey does
    not apply here (because the jury in this case was given more than “a
    single, out-of-court and uncorroborated statement on which to
    convict”) is inconsistent with both Webb and Ramsey. This is because
    in Webb and Ramsey, there was not only additional evidence
    presented, but the evidence in both cases was stronger than what has
    been presented in this case.
    ¶153 For example, the majority argues the fact that E.D.’s
    mother immediately asked Mr. Stricklan about E.D.’s accusation
    (and the fact that the mother was crying when the police showed up)
    provided the jury with evidence from which it could conclude the
    mother believed “that [Mr.] Stricklan was capable of, and had
    engaged in, what E.D. alleged he had done.” 61 And in this way, the
    evidence lent “credence to E.D.‘s initial report.” 62
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    59 Supra ¶ 60.
    60   Supra ¶ 101.
    61   Supra ¶ 86.
    62   Supra ¶ 86.
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    ¶154 But the same could be said of the evidence presented in
    Webb and Ramsey. In Webb, for example, the fact that the mother
    acted as the State’s “chief witness,” and had presumably reported
    the alleged abuse to the State in the first instance, strongly suggested
    the mother believed the defendant in that case was capable of
    committing the alleged crime. 63 And in Ramsey, there were two
    mothers assisting in the State’s prosecution of the defendant, both of
    whom clearly believed the defendant was capable of committing the
    type of sexual crime at issue. 64 Also, in Ramsey, although we
    considered the sufficiency of the evidence for only one sexual abuse
    conviction, the sufficiency of the evidence supporting another
    conviction in the case was not challenged. 65 So we reversed the first
    conviction despite the strong evidence suggesting the defendant was
    capable of committing the type of crime at issue. 66 Thus the evidence
    in Webb and Ramsey regarding what others believed the defendant to
    be capable of clearly did not take the case outside the ambit of the
    legal principles discussed in those cases.
    ¶155 The majority also points to the fact that even in E.D.’s trial
    testimony, Mr. Stricklan was placed at the scene of the alleged crime.
    But so were the defendants in Webb and Ramsey. In Webb, the alleged
    sexual abuse took place during a time in which the defendant “had
    sole custody” of the child-victim. 67 And in Ramsey, the alleged sexual
    abuse occurred during the two alleged victims’ visitation time with
    their defendant father. 68 So in both cases, the uncontested facts
    placed the defendants at the scene of the alleged crime.
    ¶156 What’s more, in Webb and Ramsey there was evidence that
    a crime had actually taken place. In Webb, the jury viewed a
    photograph of an injury to the victim’s anus, the mother testified
    that she discovered the injury soon after the defendant had been
    alone with the victim, and a physician shared the opinion, based on
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    63 779 P.2d at 1113.
    64   782 P.2d at 482.
    65   Id.
    66   Id. at 484.
    67   779 P.2d at 1109.
    68   782 P.2d at 482.
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    the nature of the injury, that the child had been sexually abused. 69 In
    Ramsey, “a licensed social worker” opined, after interviewing the
    two children-victims, that both children had been sexually abused
    and “that the perpetrator of the abuse was defendant.” 70 And “a
    psychologist who treated both children, testified that both children
    fit a profile of sexually abused children and that in her opinion
    defendant had committed the abuse.” 71 So the additional evidence in
    Webb and Ramsey was more abundant than it is in this case—which
    lacks any physical evidence or expert testimony suggesting that E.D.
    was sexually abused.
    ¶157 But despite the ample additional evidence in Webb and
    Ramsey, we nevertheless took it upon ourselves to weigh the
    reliability and probative value of the hearsay statements at issue. We
    did so because, even though the other evidence could be interpreted
    in a way that was consistent with the content of the hearsay
    statements at issue, we recognized that key elements of the alleged
    crimes could not be proven without inclusion of the hearsay
    statement.
    ¶158 So, contrary to what the majority states, this case does not
    fall outside Webb and Ramsey’s ambit just because the State provided
    some evidence in addition to the pivotal hearsay statement. Rather,
    the principles articulated in those cases apply any time hearsay
    evidence is presented. And under those principles, where the
    unreliability or inadequate probative value of a hearsay statement
    leads us to conclude that the evidence is insufficient to establish guilt
    beyond a reasonable doubt, we must reverse the conviction. 72
    ¶159 The majority’s misreading of our decisions in Webb and
    Ramsey appears to stem, at least in part, from the its
    misinterpretation of a single sentence—”[t]he law is that a single
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    69 779 P.2d at 1109.
    70   782 P.2d at 482.
    71   Id.
    72 Under my approach, which is the approach we followed in
    Webb and Ramsey, we can and should consider all evidence that was
    presented to the jury. So the only difference between my approach
    and the approach adopted by the majority in this case is that, under
    my approach, we need not blind ourselves to the inherent
    unreliability of hearsay evidence when conducting our review.
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    uncorroborated hearsay statement is not substantial evidence and
    not sufficient to support a verdict.” 73 This sentence appeared in Webb
    and was later repeated in Ramsey. As discussed above, the majority
    takes this to mean that Webb and Ramsey do not apply where there is
    other evidence that can be interpreted to corroborate the defendant’s
    guilt. And its analysis suggests that so long as other evidence can be
    interpreted consistent with the facts alleged in the hearsay statement,
    the guilt has been “corroborated,” and we should not weigh the
    reliability of the hearsay statement on appeal. But as the discussion
    above demonstrates, the majority’s reading of the opinions in Webb
    and Ramsey is inconsistent with the decisions reached in those cases.
    ¶160 The majority provides no real pushback against this. It
    cannot argue that the Webb and Ramsey rule, as it interprets it, is
    inconsistent with what the courts in Webb and Ramsey did. 74 Instead
    the majority argues only that my interpretation conflicts with what it
    believes the courts in Webb and Ramsey said. But I don’t agree with
    the majority’s interpretation of what the courts in Webb and Ramsey
    meant by the sentence in question. The majority interprets the
    sentence in isolation to mean that the Webb and Ramsey rule does not
    apply where there is any evidence beyond a recanted hearsay
    statement.
    ¶161 But one of our most firmly established rules of
    interpretation is that text must be interpreted in the context of
    surrounding text. This rule applies equally well when we are
    interpreting a line from one of our previous opinions. And when we
    consider the Webb court’s statement that ”[t]he law is that a single
    uncorroborated hearsay statement is not substantial evidence and
    not sufficient to support a verdict” in context with the rest of the
    opinion, it is clear that my interpretation is consistent with what the
    courts in Webb and Ramsey said and with what they did. The
    majority’s interpretation is not.
    ¶162 The majority interprets the term “uncorroborated,” as it
    appears in that sentence, to mean a lack of other evidence that can be
    interpreted consistent with a guilty verdict. I, on the other hand,
    interpret it to mean a lack of evidence to strengthen the reliability of
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    73 Webb, 779 P.2d at 1115.
    74  See supra ¶ 72 (acknowledging my interpretation of Webb
    without disputing that that is what Webb does, but nevertheless
    insisting that “that is not what Webb says”).
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    the hearsay statement. 75 In isolation, either of our interpretations of
    the term “uncorroborated” may be plausible. But the majority makes
    no attempt to explain why it believes this term could not mean what
    I interpret it to mean. Rather, the majority’s only response to my
    proposed interpretation of the sentence is to simply state that this is
    not what Webb says. 76 I disagree.
    ¶163 A review of the entire Webb opinion reveals that the court
    in Webb was grappling with how to deal with hearsay evidence that
    had been admitted through what was, at the time, a new exception
    to the hearsay rule (an exception for victims of child sex abuse). 77
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    75  The majority treats evidence that can be interpreted in a
    manner consistent with a guilty verdict as though it has corroborated
    the guilty verdict. But as the Montana Supreme Court recognized in
    Giant, and as we recognized in Webb and Ramsey, the existence of
    other evidence that can be interpreted consistent with a guilty
    verdict is not enough to constitute sufficient “corroboration.”
    Instead, the corroborating evidence must provide an independent
    indication of the hearsay statement’s reliability. Cf. State v. Gardner,
    
    27 P.2d 51
    , 52 (Utah 1933) (“A conviction shall not be had on the
    testimony of an accomplice, unless he is corroborated by other
    evidence which in itself, and without the aid of the testimony of the
    accomplice, tends to connect the defendant with the commission of the
    offense; and the corroboration shall not be sufficient if it merely
    shows the commission of the offense or the circumstances thereof.”
    (emphases added) (internal quotation marks omitted)).
    76 Supra ¶ 72 (“Even if that were what Webb does, that is not what
    Webb says.”). The majority also claims that my interpretation of Webb
    and Ramsey is inconsistent with an interpretation of those cases
    included in a footnote of our opinion in State v. Span. See supra ¶ 73
    (citing State v. Span, 
    819 P.2d 329
    , 333 n.2 (Utah 1991)). But the Span
    footnote does not contradict my reading of Webb and Ramsey,
    because the additional evidence identified by the Span court
    corroborated the hearsay statement at issue by strengthening the
    statement’s reliability. In other words, it bolstered the reliability of
    the hearsay statement at issue. So the Span footnote is consistent with
    my reading.
    77 See Webb, 779 P.2d at 1110 (“Admission of hearsay statements
    by child sexual abuse victims is relatively new to our law. Until the
    enactment of section 76–5–410, which effectively made it impossible
    to challenge the competency to testify of a child sexual abuse victim,
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    And it reveals that the Webb court was relying on the Sixth Circuit’s
    decision in Orrico—a case that “revolves around the questionable
    reliability of [hearsay] statements” 78—when it wrote the sentence in
    question. 79 And it reveals that the Webb court analyzed a significant
    amount of other evidence—evidence that could be construed as
    consistent with the jury’s guilty verdict but which did not strengthen
    the reliability of the pivotal hearsay statement—before ruling that
    the hearsay statement in the case was uncorroborated. So, when we
    consider the Webb court’s use of the term “uncorroborated” in
    context, it is clear that the court used it in the sense I have indicated.
    ¶164 So, with this context in mind, the correct reading of the
    statement “that a single uncorroborated hearsay statement is not
    substantial evidence and not sufficient to support a verdict” is that,
    due to the inherently unreliable nature of hearsay statements, we can
    affirm a guilty verdict based primarily on hearsay only if the
    reliability of the hearsay statement has been corroborated (or
    bolstered) through other evidence. In other words, where a
    conviction is based entirely or “almost entirely” on hearsay
    evidence, we should determine whether other evidence, which
    “differs from” the hearsay, “strengthens or confirms” what the
    hearsay evidence shows. 80
    ¶165 In sum, our decisions in Webb and Ramsey establish the
    following principles: (1) appellate courts may weigh the reliability
    and probative value of hearsay statements; (2) where a conviction is
    based almost entirely on an unreliable hearsay statement, the
    evidence is insufficient to sustain the conviction; and (3) although, as
    a general matter, hearsay is inherently unreliable, hearsay evidence
    may be sufficient to support a conviction where other, corroborating
    evidence provides adequate assurance of the hearsay’s reliability.
    After applying these principles in this case, I conclude that E.D.’s
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    it was almost certain that the testimony of a child as young as the
    victim here would not be admissible.”)
    78 Giant, 37 P.3d at 56 (Mont. 2001) (describing the analysis in
    Orrico).
    79   Webb, 779 P.2d at 1115 (citing Orrico, 559 F.2d at 118).
    80    Corroborating Evidence, BLACK’S LAW DICTIONARY (11th ed.
    2019).
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    out-of–court statement is too unreliable to serve as the basis for
    Mr. Stricklan’s conviction.
    B. Because E.D.’s Hearsay Statement is Uncorroborated,
    the Evidence is Insufficient to Support Mr. Stricklan’s Conviction
    ¶166 The majority’s misreading of our decisions in Webb and
    Ramsey leads it to incorrectly conclude that the evidence in this case
    is sufficient to establish the elements of sexual abuse of a child. To
    prove sexual abuse of a child, the State must establish that the
    defendant (1) “touche[d] the anus, buttocks, pubic area or genitalia
    of any child, [or] the breast of a female child” and that he did so with
    the “intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to any
    individual or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of
    any individual.” 81 The majority concludes the State presented
    sufficient evidence to satisfy either of these elements. But this
    conclusion appears to stem from the majority’s view that it cannot
    make its own assessment of the evidentiary weight of E.D.’s hearsay
    statement. 82
    ¶167 The majority characterizes this case as a choice between
    two versions of events. 83 In one version, Mr. Stricklan entered E.D.’s
    bedroom after she had gone to bed and began groping E.D.’s breasts
    and buttocks. 84 In the other version, nothing criminal occurred. E.D.,
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    81 UTAH CODE § 76-5-404.1(2).
    82  The majority argues that this overstates its position. Instead, the
    majority would like its position to be described as an
    acknowledgement “that, when an assessment of credibility turns on
    observing a witness and her demeanor, we afford deference to the
    trier of fact that had the opportunity to assess the witness’s
    credibility.” Supra ¶ 100 n.18. But no trial witness in this case
    testified to facts that could sustain a conviction. The majority cannot
    credibly argue otherwise. So the question in this case is whether
    E.D.’s hearsay statement, which was repeatedly recanted at trial, is
    sufficiently reliable to sustain a conviction. I say it is not, but the
    majority argues that this is an improper re-weighing of the evidence.
    With this in mind it is difficult to characterize the majority’s position
    as anything but a rejection of the principle that we are permitted to
    weigh the evidentiary weight of hearsay statements on appeal.
    83   Supra ¶ 2.
    84   Supra ¶ 111.
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    who liked to sleep with a lamp and a television on, awoke because
    the noise of the television had been turned off. Upon waking, she
    saw Mr. Stricklan passed out on her floor. E.D. ran to her mother’s
    room to tell her mother what had happened. But, either because she
    had dreamed it or thought it while “half awake,” she told her mother
    some “crazy and untrue stuff” about Mr. Stricklan touching her. And
    later, after the police had been called, E.D. stuck to her claim about
    Mr. Stricklan touching her because she was afraid that she and her
    mother would get into trouble if she admitted to lying about
    Mr. Stricklan touching her. Those are the two versions of events
    described by the majority.
    ¶168 But the jury never heard the first version. The jury never
    heard E.D. claim that Mr. Stricklan entered her bedroom in order to
    sexually abuse her. Instead, the jury heard E.D. recount the second
    version in detail—a version in which no criminal activity occurred.
    And it heard E.D. admit, after questioning from the State, that she
    had previously claimed that Mr. Stricklan had at some point touched
    her “boobs” and her “bottom.” But in the same breath in which E.D.
    admitted to having previously claimed this, the jury also heard E.D.
    vehemently deny that it was in fact true. And although E.D.
    admitted to having made this claim, she provided no additional
    details for how the previously alleged touching had taken place or
    even when it had happened. So the jury never heard a version of
    events similar to what the majority describes.
    ¶169 And, unlike the evidence presented in Webb and Ramsey,
    there is no physical evidence of sexual abuse in this case. Also unlike
    those cases, there is no expert testimony opining that the alleged
    victim has been abused. Nor are there any witnesses who testified,
    under oath, that they believed sexual abuse occurred or that
    Mr. Stricklan committed the crime. And in contrast to the facts in
    Webb, the person who made the previous out-of-court statement in
    this case unequivocally refuted the truthfulness of that statement at
    trial.
    ¶170 So the evidence in support of Mr. Stricklan’s conviction
    amounts to a reference to an out-of-court statement in which E.D.
    claimed that Mr. Stricklan touched her “boobs” and her “bottom”
    and to testimony regarding how others reacted to this claim. 85 But
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    85 The majority argues that to “characterize E.D.’s testimony as a
    ‘reference’ ignores the reality of what the State presented to the
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    none of this other evidence strengthens the likelihood that E.D.’s
    out-of-court claims were true. In other words, it does not render
    E.D.’s hearsay statement more reliable. Rather, this evidence shows
    only that other people believed E.D.’s claims. In contrast to the
    majority, I conclude this is insufficient to prove beyond a reasonable
    doubt that Mr. Stricklan committed the crime of sexual abuse of a
    child.
    ¶171 As the majority correctly notes, our task on appeal is to
    review the evidence presented to the jury and to determine whether
    reasonable jurors “must have entertained a reasonable doubt that the
    defendant committed the crime for which [the defendant] was
    convicted.” 86 Although it is unnecessary to repeat all the facts set
    forth by the majority, it is important to emphasize that the evidence
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    jury.” Supra ¶ 116. I disagree. Although the State questioned E.D. at
    length about her previous claim that Mr. Stricklan had touched her
    “boobs” and her “bottom,” this questioning did not lead to any
    additional detail about the alleged crime. So E.D.’s bare admission
    that she had previously made such a claim, without any additional
    factual detail, may aptly be described as a reference to an
    out-of-court statement.
    The majority also suggests that evidence about how others
    reacted to E.D.’s claim could render E.D.’s claim more reliable. And,
    as an example, it argues that “an unqualified confession” by a
    defendant could be characterized as having been made in reaction to
    a hearsay statement. Supra ¶ 84 n.14. But an unqualified confession,
    in which a defendant relies on his or her personal knowledge to
    confirm the facts contained in another witness’s statement, is not
    evidence regarding “how others reacted” to a hearsay statement.
    Rather, an unqualified confession would provide “independent”
    corroboration of the facts contained in the hearsay statement.
    Compare Gardner, 27 P.2d at 52 (explaining that corroborative
    evidence had to provide support for the facts needing corroboration
    “without the aid” of the facts to be corroborated) with id. (concluding
    that certain evidence was insufficient to corroborate other evidence
    because “[t]here [was] no corroborative evidence independent of the
    statements which it is claimed appellant made to others after the
    crime was committed which tends to implicate him in the
    commission of the crime.” (emphasis added)).
    86 State v. Robbins, 
    2009 UT 23
    , ¶ 14, 
    210 P.3d 288
     (internal
    quotation marks omitted).
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    supporting Mr. Stricklan’s conviction amounts to nothing more than
    an out-of-court statement, which was repeatedly and strenuously
    recanted at trial, and witness testimony regarding how people
    reacted to this out-of-court statement before it was recanted. In short,
    the State’s case rests almost entirely on the reliability of an
    out-of-court statement, the truth of which was clearly denied under
    oath. With these facts in mind, it is difficult to see how any
    reasonable juror would not have entertained a reasonable doubt
    regarding Mr. Stricklan’s guilt.
    ¶172 The majority, of course, disagrees. But in so doing, the
    majority does not attempt to weigh the reliability of E.D.’s hearsay
    statement. Instead, it argues that this case comes down to a question
    about which version of E.D.‘s story the jury believed. 87 And because
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    87 Supra ¶ 2. Because, at trial, the only witnesses who would have
    personal knowledge of the alleged incident (including the alleged
    victim) agreed that no crime was committed, the jury was never
    presented with two different versions of events. The majority’s
    contrary characterization of the case fails. Supra ¶ 100. The majority
    is correct that the jury heard evidence that Mr. Stricklan was unsure
    why E.D. said what she said and that he did not think she would just
    make something up. (The majority relies heavily on this latter bit of
    evidence, characterizing it as though Mr. Stricklan had all but
    confessed to the crime. But, in context, it appears that all
    Mr. Stricklan meant when he said he did not think E.D. was making
    it up was that he did not think she was intentionally lying.) But the
    jury would have been well-aware that Mr. Stricklan denied
    committing the crime charged. It was, after all, Mr. Stricklan’s not-
    guilty plea that made the jury’s presence at the trial necessary. And
    the jury heard Mr. Stricklan, through his attorney, mount a vigorous
    defense against this charge. So there could be no doubt that
    Mr. Stricklan denied committing the crime for which he was
    accused.
    The majority’s characterization of E.D.’s position is likewise
    flawed. Although the State managed to admit references to E.D.’s
    previous (but recanted) allegations, E.D. told the jury that her
    previous allegation was “a lie,” that Mr. Stricklan never touched her,
    and that she was one “hundred percent sure” and had “no doubt” in
    her mind that Mr. Stricklan never touched her. She also repeatedly
    answered that she understood the importance of telling the truth
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    the jury apparently found the reference to E.D.’s out-of-court
    statement to be more “credible” than her trial testimony, the
    majority declines to second-guess the conviction.
    ¶173 But E.D.’s previous claim that Mr. Stricklan sexually
    abused her was not made before the jury, so the jury was not in a
    position to judge E.D.’s credibility while E.D. made it. That is one of
    the chief problems with hearsay statements (and with the majority’s
    failure to correctly apply the principles established in Webb and
    Ramsey)—with hearsay, the fact finder has no opportunity to observe
    the witness’s demeanor and assess the witness’s credibility while the
    witness is making the out-of-court statement. 88 So the evidentiary
    sufficiency of this hearsay claim does not come down to the claim’s
    credibility, as the majority suggests. 89 Rather, as our holdings in Webb
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    under oath and that no one threatened her or urged her to say what
    she was saying at trial.
    88 State v. Clevenger, 
    289 S.W.3d 626
    , 629 (Mo. Ct. App. 2009)
    (“Courts also generally exclude hearsay evidence as inherently
    unreliable because the out-of-court statements cannot be cross-
    examined, and neither the judge nor jury is able to assess the declarant’s
    demeanor in determining witness credibility.” (emphasis added)); cf.
    Sinning v. State, 
    172 P.3d 388
    , 392 (Wyo. 2007) (“Where non-hearsay is
    presented, we defer to the district court’s opportunity to assess the
    credibility of the witnesses and make necessary inferences,
    deductions and conclusions.” (emphasis added)).
    89 The majority responds to this point by stating that because the
    jury saw “the prosecutor question E.D. about her previous
    statements“ and heard “E.D.’s trial testimony that [Mr.] Stricklan did
    not touch her” as well as “the testimony of other witnesses,” the
    “jury was in the best position to weigh all the evidence and
    determine the credibility of that evidence.” Supra ¶ 117. But this
    argument again fails to fully account for the inherently unreliable
    nature of hearsay statements. It fails to account for the fact that a
    “hearsay statement can never be subjected to the same degree of
    scrutiny through cross-examination as can live testimony.”
    Goldman, supra ¶ 140. And it fails to account for the fact that an
    “opponent may never be able to expose, and the trier of fact never
    learn, the possible reliability problems of a given hearsay statement,”
    even where “the declarant takes the witness stand and relates his or
    her own prior out-of-court statement.” Id.; see also Giant, 
    37 P.3d at 59
    (discussing reasoning similar to that employed by the majority
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    and Ramsey make clear, the outcome of this case comes down to the
    evidentiary weight we assign E.D.’s recanted, unsworn, out-of-court
    statement, based on its reliability, when that statement is considered
    together with all the evidence presented to the jury.
    ¶174 It is possible, of course, that in a future case a hearsay
    statement could possess sufficient indicia of reliability to stand on
    equal evidentiary ground as an in-court statement made under oath.
    But in this case the only evidence cited by the State or the majority
    does not bolster the reliability of the hearsay statement, because the
    evidence is equally susceptible to an interpretation wholly consistent
    with E.D.’s trial testimony. In other words, none of the other
    evidence in this case corroborates E.D.’s hearsay statement.
    ¶175 For example, the majority points out that E.D.’s mother
    asked Mr. Stricklan about E.D.’s allegations and that her mother had
    been crying when the police arrived.90 But only a very irresponsible
    mother would ignore an allegation, made by her daughter, of this
    nature. In fact, out of an abundance of caution, a mother is likely to
    investigate such an allegation even if she suspects it might not be
    true. And the fact that the mother was crying when the police
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    before explaining that “this rationale only addresses the credibility a
    jury gives to one witness. It does not address whether the out-of-
    court statement is so reliable it supports guilt beyond a reasonable
    doubt”).
    The majority’s reference to other witnesses is also misplaced in
    this case because no other witness could testify to the truth of any
    facts contained in E.D.’s hearsay statements or provide any other
    information that would support a conviction. So their testimony
    could not have provided the jury with any corroboration of the
    information in E.D.’s hearsay statements. See, e.g., Walton v. State, 
    88 Ind. 9
    , 19 (1882) (“It is wholly immaterial whether some other
    witness would or would not believe the particular witness under
    oath.”).
    90Supra ¶ 86. The majority actually describes this encounter as a
    confrontation. Supra ¶¶ 7, 84. And in so doing, it suggests the
    mother came to Mr. Stricklan fully believing what E.D. had told her.
    But a review of the trial transcript shows that although the State
    described this encounter as a confrontation in opening and closing
    arguments, the evidence actually presented to the jury describes the
    encounter in more neutral terms.
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    arrived is not inconsistent with E.D.’s in-court recantation because,
    at the time the police arrived, E.D. had not yet recanted.
    ¶176 The majority also relies on the fact that Mr. Stricklan told
    the police that E.D. did not have a reputation for lying. 91 But the fact
    remains that E.D. was not entirely truthful at least once in this case:
    either in her out-of-court statement or under oath at trial. So, based
    on this evidence regarding her reputation for honesty, it seems at
    least equally likely that her out-of-court statement, which she claims
    was the result of a false impression she received while “half awake,”
    contains the falsehood rather than her sworn statements in court.
    ¶177 The majority also points to the fact that E.D. was sad in the
    aftermath of her having made the allegations against Mr. Stricklan.92
    According to the majority, this suggests that E.D. had a motive to
    recant her allegations, even if they were true. That’s possible. But her
    sadness would also provide her with an added incentive to recant
    false allegations, even if she thought she (or her mother) could get in
    trouble for doing so. And, under oath, E.D. swore that she was never
    coerced or pressured to recant her testimony. So this evidence, like
    all the evidence the majority cites, is consistent with either version of
    events. So it does not provide us with any added assurance that
    E.D.’s hearsay statement is reliable. 93
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    91 Supra ¶ 89.
    92   Supra ¶ 90.
    93 The majority criticizes me for offering plausible alternative
    explanations for this other evidence. Supra ¶ 118-19. It states that it is
    “of no moment that we can offer alternative explanations, or even
    that we would have reached a different conclusion had we served on
    the jury” because the “question [before us] is whether enough
    evidence existed to permit the jury to reach its verdict.” Supra ¶ 119.
    But the majority misreads my opinion. I am not reviewing this other
    evidence to determine whether it could support an alternative,
    plausible conclusion. This is because none of this evidence speaks
    directly to the elements of the crime in this case. Instead, I am
    examining this evidence to determine whether it bolsters (or
    corroborates) the reliability of E.D.’s out-of-court statements (the
    only piece of evidence that speaks to any elements of the crime at
    issue). And, as Webb and Ramsey make clear, this reliability
    assessment does not require me to defer to the jury. Because I
    conclude that the hearsay statement is unreliable, and that none of
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    ¶178 The closest the majority comes to identifying evidence
    that could bolster the reliability of E.D.’s hearsay statement is when
    it points to a statement one police officer claimed to have overheard
    Mr. Stricklan make.94 The officer testified he overheard Mr. Stricklan
    tell someone on the phone that he had acted inappropriately. And
    the majority notes that this officer wrote down the statement
    “verbatim into [his] report.”95 If true, this evidence could provide an
    independent indication that E.D.’s hearsay statement was true. But
    Mr. Stricklan’s father, who was the person on the other end of the
    phone call, testified that Mr. Stricklan told him only that he had been
    “accused” of doing something inappropriate, not that he had done
    something inappropriate. 96 In addition, the officer’s testimony—that
    he wrote the statement down “verbatim”—merely suggests that the
    officer did not misremember what he thought he heard. It does not
    tell us whether he misheard Mr. Stricklan’s statement in the first
    instance.
    ¶179 But even were we to disregard this conflicting evidence
    and accept the officer’s testimony as true, this statement does not
    necessarily corroborate E.D.’s hearsay statement. The phrase “I did
    something inappropriate” is ambiguous. And, under the
    circumstances, it is quite possible that this phrase referred to
    Mr. Stricklan’s excessive drinking the night before. The jury heard
    that the night of the alleged incident Mr. Stricklan drank “a 6-pack of
    Bud Light Tall Boys,” “some vodka,” a “Pabst beer,” and “a whole
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    the other evidence bolsters its reliability, I answer the ultimate
    question in this case in the negative. I conclude that the evidence
    presented by the State is insufficient to support a guilty verdict.
    I also note that under our case law “[c]orroborative evidence
    must be inconsistent with innocence and is not sufficient if it merely
    casts a grave suspicion on the accused.” Gardner, 27 P.2d at 52. So the
    majority’s treatment of the other evidence in this case as though it
    corroborates E.D.’s hearsay statement is inconsistent with our case
    law.
    94   Supra ¶ 88.
    95   Supra ¶ 88.
    96 The father was asked, “on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being absolutely
    positive” how certain he was that Mr. Stricklan had said he was
    “accused” of doing something inappropriate, not that he had done
    something inappropriate. The father replied “Eleven.”
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    bottle of wine.” In fact, the jury heard that Mr. Stricklan drank so
    much alcohol that he passed out and did not remember anything
    else until morning. The jury also heard Mr. Stricklan’s father testify
    that “drinking” had “been an issue” for Mr. Stricklan “ever since he
    got back from the wars.” And the jury heard his father testify that he
    could discern over the phone, based on the sound of Mr. Stricklan’s
    voice, that Mr. Stricklan had been drinking too much. And, finally,
    the jury heard that Mr. Stricklan had been attending AA meetings
    since the day of the alleged incident.
    ¶180 Based on this contextual evidence, it is reasonable to
    assume that, when Mr. Stricklan called his father to ask for a ride
    because he was too drunk to drive himself, Mr. Stricklan’s reference
    to inappropriate acts was a reference to his excessive drinking and
    not to any acts of sexual abuse. Accordingly, this evidence is
    consistent with either version of events and does not bolster the
    reliability of E.D.’s hearsay statement.
    ¶181 In sum, when all the evidence in this case is considered,
    it’s clear that, like the convictions we reversed in Webb and Ramsey,
    Mr. Stricklan’s conviction is based “almost entirely on one out-of-
    court declaration” of a child. 97 And, as in Webb and Ramsey, there is
    no evidence in this case to sufficiently corroborate this hearsay
    statement. In fact, the truth of the hearsay statement in this case is
    even less reliable than in Webb or Ramsey because E.D., the child who
    made the initial out-of-court statement, unequivocally refuted the
    truth of her initial statement. 98 Accordingly, Mr. Stricklan’s
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    97 Webb, 779 P.2d at 1115.
    98  In this case, E.D. repeatedly denied the truth of her out-of-court
    statement. In fact, she testified she was one “hundred percent sure”
    and had “no doubt” in her mind that Mr. Stricklan did not touch her.
    In contrast, in Webb, the child-declarant was only eighteen-months
    old and, as a result, was not required to testify in court about her
    hearsay statement. Webb, 779 P.2d at 1108. And in Ramsey, although
    the child-declarant did deny “the factual assertion contained in the
    statement,” there was no indication in the opinion that he denied it
    in such unequivocal terms. Ramsey, 782 P.2d at 483. And the child’s
    denial was undercut slightly by the fact that, at one point, the child
    testified that his defendant-father had “threatened” to “hurt” the
    child if the child “told on him.” Id. at 487 (Hall, C.J., concurring and
    dissenting).
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    conviction is “not based on substantial reliable evidence” and,
    therefore, under the principles we discussed in Webb and Ramsey, it
    “cannot stand.” 99 For this reason, the majority errs in affirming the
    conviction.
    II. Even Were We to Deem E.D.’S Hearsay Statement
    Sufficiently Reliable to Support a Finding That
    Mr. Stricklan Touched E.D.’S Breasts or Buttocks,
    It Would Nevertheless Be Insufficient to Show That
    Mr. Stricklan Touched E.D. With the Requisite Intent
    ¶182 Even were we to deem E.D.’s hearsay statement
    sufficiently reliable to support a finding that Mr. Stricklan touched
    E.D.’s breasts or buttocks, I would nevertheless conclude that the
    evidence is insufficient to show that Mr. Stricklan touched E.D. with
    the requisite intent. The majority acknowledges that there is no
    direct evidence of Mr. Stricklan’s intent when he allegedly touched
    E.D. But it notes, correctly, that “criminal intent” may “be inferred
    from circumstances such as presence, companionship, and conduct
    before and after the offense.” 100 But this case does not present
    sufficient circumstantial evidence of intent.
    ¶183 As discussed above, the jury did not hear evidence that
    Mr. Stricklan touched E.D.’s breasts and buttocks within the context
    of a recounted version of events. It heard E.D. convey a story in
    which no criminal activity occurred, but where she awoke to find
    Mr. Stricklan passed out on her bedroom floor. And then they heard
    E.D. admit, in response to State questioning, that she had previously
    claimed that Mr. Stricklan touched her “boobs” and “bottom.” This
    reference to a hearsay allegation, presented in the abstract, is
    insufficient to sustain a finding of intent. And the majority’s
    conclusion to the contrary will render the intent element superfluous
    in most cases.
    ¶184 In support of its reasoning, the majority cites a number of
    court of appeals cases in which that court found there to be sufficient
    evidence of intent despite any direct evidence. 101 But in all the cases
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    99 Id., 782 P.2d at 483.
    100 Supra ¶ 106 (citing State v. Briggs, 
    2008 UT 75
    , ¶ 13, 
    197 P.3d 628
    ) (internal quotations omitted).
    101   Supra ¶¶ 107-09.
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    cited by the majority, the circumstantial evidence was so
    overwhelming that no other conclusion could possibly be drawn. 102
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    102 See State in Interest of D.M., 
    2013 UT App 220
    , ¶ 11, 
    310 P.3d 741
     (finding circumstantial evidence of intent where the defendant
    pulled down the victim’s pants and touched his testicles while the
    two of them were underneath a futon during a sleepover and where
    the victim testified to feeling “scared” as a result); State v. Bair, 
    2012 UT App 106
    , ¶ 6, 
    275 P.3d 1050
     (finding circumstantial evidence of
    intent where the defendant admitted to having an “addiction to the
    ‘touchy/feely’ aspects of sex that he admittedly was having
    difficulty controlling not long before [the victim-daughter] was
    abused” and where the daughter’s testimony regarding the acts of
    abuse were “consistent” with the nature of the defendant’s
    addiction); State v. Bhag Singh, 
    2011 UT App 396
    , ¶ 9, 
    267 P.3d 281
    (finding circumstantial evidence of intent where the defendant
    moved closer to the eleven-year-old victim as he told her that “he
    liked her and loved her,” “rubbed her breasts approximately three
    times in an up and down motion,” and “leaned in and kissed” her);
    State v. Watkins, 
    2011 UT App 96
    , ¶ 18, 
    250 P.3d 1019
     (finding
    circumstantial evidence of intent where the defendant had “no
    legitimate reason” to be in the “Child’s room at the time of the
    incident,” the defendant “kissed [the] Child wetly on the side of her
    head for approximately three minutes” and “pinched and rubbed
    her buttocks for approximately two minutes”), rev’d on other grounds
    by State v. Watkins, 
    2013 UT 28
    , ¶ 18, 
    309 P.3d 209
    ; State v. Maness,
    
    2010 UT App 370
     U, 
    2010 WL 5452078
     (finding evidence of
    circumstantial intent where, on multiple occasions, the defendant-
    masseuse entered a massage room early, moved a concealing drape
    to expose the victims’ naked bodies, touched the victims’ genitalia
    and breasts “during a massage procedure that should be performed
    without touching the genitalia,” and lingering after administering a
    massage); State v. Tueller, 
    2001 UT App 317
    , ¶ 19, 
    37 P.3d 1180
    (finding circumstantial evidence of intent where the defendant was
    discovered lying on top of the child-victim in a darkened room and,
    at the time of discovery, the defendant had his pants pulled down to
    the “the bottom margin of his buttocks,” the child’s “panties were
    down near her knees,” and her “legs were spread apart” with the
    defendant’s knee in between them); State v. Hall, 
    946 P.2d 712
    , 724
    (Utah Ct. App. 1997) (finding circumstantial evidence of intent
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    ¶185 In fact, in one case the majority cites, the court of appeals
    reversed a conviction based on insufficient evidence of intent. In that
    case, a defendant was convicted of sexual abuse of a child based on
    the physical act of moving the child’s “hand—palm up—to
    Defendant's penis.” 103 The defendant, who claimed to have been
    asleep at the time of the alleged incident, had no memory of the
    incident. 104 Although there was evidence that the child’s hand
    remained over the defendant’s penis for “up to a minute,” the State
    did not present any evidence that the defendant “had held [the
    alleged victim’s] hand in place or otherwise manipulated it.” 105 In
    considering the sufficiency of the defendant’s conviction, the court of
    appeals explained that “the State produced no evidence beyond the
    physical act [constituting the alleged touching] to satisfy the State’s
    burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt Defendant’s intent to
    arouse or gratify the sexual desire of himself or any other person.” 106
    ¶186 In responding to the State’s arguments in defense of the
    evidence, the court explained that the State, which argued (similarly
    to the majority in this case) that intent could be inferred based on the
    defendant’s act, had essentially asserted “an evidentiary
    presumption that the physical act of touching amounts to prima facie
    evidence of an intent to do so for the purpose of arousing or
    gratifying sexual desire.” 107 But, because such a presumption would
    “effectively and impermissibly shift the burden of proof regarding
    intent onto the defendant so long as the physical act element is
    proven,” the court of appeals rejected the State’s argument. 108
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    where the “defendant pulled down [the victim’s] shorts and panties
    and stroked her on the genital area”).
    103   State v. Whitaker, 
    2016 UT App 104
    , ¶ 15, 
    374 P.3d 56
    .
    104   Id. ¶ 16.
    105   Id. ¶ 15.
    106   Id.
    107   Id. ¶ 17.
    108Id. See also Francis v. Franklin, 
    471 U.S. 307
    , 313 (1985) (“The
    Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment protects the
    accused against conviction except upon proof beyond a reasonable
    doubt of every fact necessary to constitute the crime with which he is
    charged. This bedrock, axiomatic and elementary constitutional
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    ¶187 Instead, the court considered whether the facts presented
    led to a reasonable inference of intent. In so doing, the court noted
    that an alternative explanation could be given for the defendant’s act
    of moving the child’s hand—that the defendant acted “involuntarily
    while asleep.” 109 And, because no other circumstantial evidence of
    intent existed (beyond the physical act of touching), the court
    explained that it was not reasonable to infer that the act had been
    done with the requisite criminal intent. 110 According to the court,
    this would require the court to “take a speculative leap across a
    remaining gap.” 111
    ¶188 In my view, the majority has taken this speculative leap in
    finding the existence of intent. The only evidence presented of the
    crime was E.D.’s admission that she had previously claimed that
    Mr. Stricklan touched her “boobs” and “bottom.” This admission did
    not provide any additional details from which we could infer intent.
    For example, it did not indicate for how long Mr. Stricklan had
    allegedly touched E.D. And it did not indicate the nature of the
    touch—whether Mr. Stricklan’s hand merely brushed up against her
    or whether it lingered or stroked her.
    ¶189 The majority explains that, because Mr. Stricklan allegedly
    touched E.D. in two places, the touch could not be accidental. But
    this is not the only interpretation of events consistent with evidence.
    For example, evidence was presented that Mr. Stricklan thought
    (although his recollection of events was murky because he was
    inebriated at the time) that he had gone into E.D.’s bedroom to turn
    off her lamp and television. So it is possible that in engaging in the
    paternal act of turning off E.D.’s television or lamp, Mr. Stricklan
    also decided to tuck E.D. into her bed covers, at which point he
    inadvertently touched her. Of course, this is highly speculative.112
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    principle prohibits the State from using evidentiary presumptions
    . . . that have the effect of relieving the State of its burden of
    persuasion beyond a reasonable doubt of every essential element of
    a crime.” (internal quotation marks omitted)).
    109   Whitaker, 
    2016 UT App 104
    , ¶ 16.
    110   Id. ¶ 18.
    111   Id. (internal quotation marks omitted).
    112 Had E.D. been half asleep while this was happening, she could
    easily have misinterpreted it as something more offensive. It is also
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    But this is no more speculative than the alternative reason offered by
    the court of appeals in Whitaker. 113 And, because there is no
    contextual evidence surrounding E.D.’s recanted allegation that
    Mr. Stricklan touched her, the majority’s adopted inference is just as
    speculative.
    ¶190 Finally, the majority explains that the fact that E.D. ran to
    tell her mother what had happened also suggests the touch was not
    accidental. But the evidence presented to the jury actually indicates
    that E.D. ran to tell her mother that Mr. Stricklan was passed out on
    her bedroom floor, not that Mr. Stricklan had touched her. So even
    though the record makes it clear that, at some point, E.D. claimed to
    have been touched by Mr. Stricklan, this hearsay claim was never
    presented within the factual context necessary to make the type of
    “reasonable” inferences the majority purports to make. And by
    ruling as the majority does based on the evidence in the case, the
    majority creates an evidentiary presumption that the “intent”
    element is satisfied whenever the “touching” element has also been
    met. This impermissibly flips the burden of proof of an essential
    element onto the defendant. Accordingly, the evidence is insufficient
    to support a finding of guilt on the “intent” element.
    ¶191 In sum, when the evidence presented to the jury is
    considered (and only that evidence), it is clear that Mr. Stricklan’s
    conviction is based almost entirely on E.D.’s hearsay statement.
    Because there is no evidence to bolster the inherent unreliability of
    this statement (in fact, the sworn in-court statement expressly refutes
    it), the evidence in the case is insufficient to support Mr. Stricklan’s
    conviction.
    ¶192 Additionally, even were I to conclude that E.D.’s hearsay
    statement was sufficiently reliable, I would nevertheless conclude
    that there is insufficient evidence to prove the “intent” element.
    Because all the jury heard was a reference to an abstract allegation
    that Mr. Stricklan had touched E.D.’s breasts and buttocks, any
    inference about intent in this case is necessarily speculative. And,
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    possible, while moving about her room in his drunken state, that
    Mr. Stricklan tripped onto E.D.’s bed and touched her inadvertently
    while attempting to push himself back onto his feet.
    113Id. ¶ 16 (explaining that the defendant could have placed the
    victim’s hand over the defendant’s penis “involuntarily while
    asleep”).
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    were we to conclude that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the
    intent element beyond a reasonable doubt, we would render the
    intent element superfluous in most cases.
    CONCLUSION
    ¶193 Mr. Stricklan’s conviction was based “almost entirely” on
    E.D.’s out-of-court statement. Because that statement is unreliable,
    and no evidence presented in the case sufficiently bolsters the
    statement’s reliability, I conclude the evidence is insufficient to
    sustain Mr. Stricklan’s conviction. Additionally, even were I to
    conclude that E.D.’s hearsay statement was sufficiently reliable, I
    would nevertheless conclude there is insufficient evidence regarding
    Mr. Stricklan’s intent.
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