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    Re: STATE vs. JOHNSON, TERENCE
    CCA No. PD-0228-14                                                               COANo. 12-12-00425-CR
    Trial Court Case No. 12-06-00189-CR
    Judge Yeary's dissenting opinion has been corrected. Page 16, Continuation of Footnote 8 from
    page 15, on line 11 of the footnote on page 16 should read: "would never have been enforced in a
    manner inconsistent with the First Amendment and would".
    Sincerely
    Abel Acosta, Clerk
    Supreme Court Building, 201 West 14th Street, Room 106, Austin, Texas 78701
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    IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS
    OF TEXAS
    NO. PD-0228-14
    THE STATE OF TEXAS
    v.
    TERENCE JOHNSON, Appellee
    ON STATE'S PETITION FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW
    FROM THE TWELFTH COURT OF APPEALS
    HOUSTON COUNTY
    YEARY, J., filed a dissenting opinion.
    DISSENTING OPINION
    Today, the Court declares Texas' destruction of a flag statute facially unconstitutional.
    Six members of this Court undo the considered work of our State's House of
    Representatives, our Senate, and our Governor.1 Having determined that the law is drawn in
    1The former version of Penal Code Section 42.11, entitled "Desecration of a Venerated
    Object," was repealed after the United States Supreme Court found it had been applied
    unconstitutionally against aprotester in Texas v. Johnson. 
    491 U.S. 397
    (1989). Inanattempt tocure
    potential constitutional problems with that law, the Legislature enacted the statute at issue in this
    case.
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    violation of the First Amendment, the Court's opinion means that this penal law may no
    longer be enforced against anyone, no matter what the circumstances—ever. This is a
    powerful rebuke to the people's representatives! I do not join it.
    To be clear, I do not today contest the opinions of the United States Supreme Court,
    which have determined that laws similar to the one at issue here are capable of being applied
    in a manner that is inconsistent with the guarantees of the First Amendment. See, e.g., Texas
    -
    v. Johnson, 
    491 U.S. 397
    (1989) (finding that the former version of Texas' destruction of a
    flag statute was applied unconstitutionally); United States v. Eichman, 
    496 U.S. 310
    (1990)
    (finding that the Flag Protection Act of 1989 had been applied unconstitutionally). But this
    Court's opinion does not limit itself to a conclusion that the statute has been applied
    unconstitutionally against Appellee. It can't! The statute most certainly was applied
    constitutionally under the circumstances presented here.2
    Instead of assessing whether the statute was applied unconstitutionally in this case,
    the Court avoids that question and finds that the statute facially conflicts with the First
    Amendment due to its substantial overbreadth. In reaching that conclusion, the Court goes
    where no United States Supreme Court opinion has gone before it. Twice before, in Texas
    2 The majority suggests that whether the statute was applied constitutionally in this case is
    not self-evident. Majority Opinion at 4 n.5. Butthecourt of appeals resolved thisquestion. State v.
    Johnson, 425 S.W.3d 542,549 (Tex. App.—Tyler 2014) (explaining, "weconclude thatAppellee's
    conduct was not 'sufficiently imbued with elements of communication' to implicate the First and
    Fourteenth Amendments," and "[t]he record before us shows that Appellee engaged in an act of
    criminal mischiefwith no intent to conveyany particularized message."). As the majoritycorrectly
    notes, Appellee did not challenge that determination. Consequently, this Court should regard the
    court of appeals resolution of that issue as conclusive.
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    v. Johnson and again in United States v. Eichman, the United States Supreme Court has
    found statutes regulating the destruction or desecration of flags to have been
    unconstitutionally applied. 
    Johnson, 491 U.S. at 404
    n.3 (explaining that the Court
    intentionally chose to resolve this case only "on the basis of his claim that the statute as
    applied to him violates the First Amendment"); 
    Eichman, 496 U.S. at 312
    (concluding that
    the federal Flag Protection Act "cannot constitutionally be applied to appellees"). But the
    Supreme Court has never, to my knowledge, found such a statute to be facially
    unconstitutional. Instead, it has declined to make that kind of an expansive ruling, even
    explaining at one point, "[w]e have not automatically concluded . . . that any action taken
    with respect to our flag is expressive." 
    Johnson, 491 U.S. at 405
    .
    I am persuaded that, in reaching the conclusion that the Texas destruction of a flag
    statute is facially unconstitutional, the Court has made two important mistakes. First, I am
    persuaded that the Court has made a mistake in concluding that it (the Texas Court of
    Criminal Appeals) has both the power and the constitutional obligation, mandated by no less
    than the First Amendment itself, to decide that the destruction of a flag statute is facially
    unconstitutional in this case, even though the defendant cannot show the statute was
    unconstitutionally applied to him and to his own conduct. Second, I am persuaded that the
    Court has mistakenly concluded that the statute at issue here is substantially overbroad in
    relation to its otherwise plainly legitimate sweep, when it is not. For these two reasons, as
    more fully explained in this opinion, I respectfully dissent.
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    AUTHORITY TO DECIDE THE CASE
    The majority concludes in this case that Texas courts are bound—by no less than the
    First Amendment itself—to review Appellee's claim that the statute is unconstitutional
    because it violates the First Amendment, regardless of whether he can show that his own
    First Amendment rights have been violated. I disagree. I believe Appellee's complaint that
    the statute under which he was charged violates the First Amendment should have been
    rejected because he cannot show that his own First Amendment rights have been violated.
    For reasons grounded in the Texas Constitution and in Texas law, I believe we should find
    that we and the other courts in our state are not authorized to address challenges to the
    constitutionality ofstatutes—even in cases alleging First Amendment overbreadth—brought
    by claimants who cannot show that the statute operated unconstitutionally in their own cases.
    1must address my thoughts on this matter in two parts. First, I will explain why I
    believe Texas does indeed have the discretion to apply a stricter standard than the standard
    employed by the federal courts when assessing which litigants have standing to bring an
    overbreadth claim in our state courts. Second, I will explain why I believe our authority to
    address overbreadth claims is more limited than the authority of the federal courts.
    A.     State Discretion to Restrict Standing for Overbreadth Claims
    The United States Supreme Court observed, in Virginia v. Hicks, that "[w]hether
    Virgina's courts should have entertained [an] overbreadth challenge is entirely a matter of
    state law." 
    539 U.S. 113
    , 120 (2003) (emphasis in original). At the same time, the Court also
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    observed a distinction between: (1) questions about whether the state courts "should have
    entertained" the challenge brought by Hicks, and (2) questions about "whether the claimed
    overbreadth [of the] policy [at issue] [was] sufficiently 'substantial' to produce facial
    invalidity." 
    Id. Speaking of
    the latter (whether the claimed overbreadth was sufficiently
    substantial), the Court explained, "These questions involve not standing, but 'the
    determination of [a] First Amendment challenge on the merits.'" 
    Id. (quoting from
    Secretary
    ofState ofMd. v. Joseph H. Munson Co., 
    467 U.S. 947
    , 958-959 (1984)) (emphasis added).
    Thus, the Supreme Court acknowledged a distinction between the issue of standing in an
    overbreadth challenge and the merits ofa First Amendment overbreadth issue, which requires
    a determination about whether the overbreadth of a statute is sufficiently substantial to justify
    declaring the statute facially unconstitutional.
    The Supreme Court of Utah appears to agree with the proposition that standing, as
    opposed to the merits of an overbreadth claim, is a state law matter. In Provo City
    Corporation v. Willden, that Court observed, "the federal rules on standing ... are not
    binding on state courts, and the article III constitutional restrictions and federalistic
    prudential considerations that have guided the evolution of federal court standing law are not
    necessarily relevant to the development of the standing rules that apply in Utah's state
    courts." 
    768 P.2d 455
    , 456 (Utah 1989). The authors of Corpus Juris Secundum also seem
    to agree. Relying on Virginia v. Hicks, that authority has explained, "[s]tate courts are not
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    bound by federal rules of justiciability, even when they address issues of federal law." 21
    Corpus Juris Secundum Courts § 217, at p. 215 (2006).3
    The majority seems to believe that the relaxed standing requirement applied by the
    federal courts in First Amendment overbreadth cases is a part of the substantive guarantee
    of the First Amendment, which the states are not free to avoid. Majority Opinion at 7-12.4
    I disagree. Limiting consideration of First Amendment overbreadth claims to those litigants
    who can demonstrate that their own constitutional rights have been violated would not mean
    thatthis Court would ignore theapplication of thesubstantive rule enforced through the First
    Amendment overbreadth doctrine. The substantive aspect of that doctrine requires
    invalidation of a law when it is shown that the overbreadth of the law is substantial in
    relation to its otherwise legitimate sweep. See 
    Hicks, 539 U.S. at 120
    (explaining, "whether
    the claimed overbreadth [of a] policy [at issue] is sufficiently 'substantial' to produce facial
    invalidity," is the question that guides "the determination of [a] First Amendment challenge
    on the merits."). That substantive "merits" element of a First Amendment overbreadth
    challenge establishes a diminished burden from the burden that is applicable in ordinary
    3See also Adam M. Samaha, Litigant Sensitivity in First Amendment Law, 98 Nw. U.L. Rev.
    1291,1292 (Summer 2004) ("State and federal courts must abide bythe same First Amendment law,
    but they need not use the same rules for standing. Different judiciaries might now provide
    overbreadth challenges to different categories of litigants.").
    4The majority argues: "Judge Yeary's dissent suggests that, as a matter of state law, we
    might be free to refuse to entertain overbreadth claims." Majority Opinion at 7. Butthe majority is
    mistaken. I do not believe we are free to refuse to entertain overbreadth claims generally. 1 do
    believeweoughtto refuse to address themwhentheyarepresented by individuals whohavesuffered
    no constitutional deprivation.
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    constitutionality challenges, which commands that a statue will not be declared
    unconstitutional unless it is shown that it is unconstitutional in all of its applications. See
    Broadrick v. Oklahoma, 413 U.S. 601,615(1973) (explaining, "the plain import of ourcases
    is, at the very least, that facial overbreadth adjudication is an exception to our traditional
    rules of practice," and "the overbreadth of a statute must not only be real, but substantial as
    well, judged in relation to the statute's plainly legitimate sweep."). Compare Washington
    State Grange v. Washington State Republican Party, 
    552 U.S. 442
    , 449 (2008) (explaining
    that, in most cases in which a defendant seeks a declaration that a statute is facially
    unconstitutional, the Supreme Court requires a demonstration that the statute operates
    unconstitutionally in all of its applications), with United States v. Salerno, 
    481 U.S. 739
    , 745
    (1987) (explaining that a "challenger must establish that no set of circumstances exists under
    which the Act would be valid").
    The majority correctly observes that the Virginia Supreme Court has addressed and
    rejected my conclusion that Virginia v. Hick stands for the proposition that who may bring
    a facial challenge alleging overbreadth is a matter of state law. Majority Opinion at 10-11;
    see also Jaynes v. Commonwealth, 
    666 S.E.2d 303
    , 308 (2008). In Jaynes, the Virginia
    Supreme Court concluded, "the opinion of the United States Supreme Court in [Virginia v.
    Hicks] addressed the issue of First Amendment standing only in the context by which that
    issue was placed before the Court: whether astate's expansion ofFirst Amendment standing
    was subject to review by federal courts." 
    Jaynes, 666 S.E.2d at 310
    . Thus, that court
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    concluded, "the seemingly broad language about standing in the [Virginia v. Hicks] opinion
    cannot have the meaning now espoused by the Commonwealth." 
    Id. Ah, but
    can it? I believe that it can. I believe it does, and I believe the Supreme Court
    of Virginia probably reached the wrong conclusion because it made the same mistake this
    Court makes in failing to perceive a difference between the two aspects of the overbreadth
    doctrine applied by the United States Supreme Court; both courts (this Court and the Virginia
    Supreme Court) fail to distinguish between the standing aspect of the Supreme Court's
    overbreadth doctrine and the aspect of its doctrine that addresses the merits of the
    constitutionality question: whether a statute's overbreadth is sufficiently substantial to find
    that it violates the First Amendment.
    .   The majority points to some United States Supreme Court cases that recite, invarious
    ways, a rule that I do not contest. Those cases stand merely for the indisputable proposition
    thatthe overbreadth doctrine itselfis a function of substantive FirstAmendmentlaw.5 Unlike
    the majority, however, I recognize a difference between the "standing" element employed
    by the United States Supreme Court, to decide which litigants are permitted to bring a First
    Amendment overbreadth claim in federal court, and the substantive element of such a claim
    that requires measuring the substantiality of the statute's overbreadth to determine whether
    5The majority cites and relies on cases that support this general proposition, suchas: Sabri
    v. United States, 
    541 U.S. 600
    , 610 (2004), Secretary ofMaryland v. Joseph H. Munson Co., 
    461 U.S. 947
    , 958-959 (1984), and New York v. Ferber, 
    458 U.S. 747
    , 767 (1982). Majority Opinion at
    8&n.27.
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    the statute is facially unconstitutional. It is the measurement of the statute's overbreadth that
    addresses the merits-based element of an overbreadth claim.
    The majority also sets up a false comparison between claims brought by litigants
    asserting First Amendment overbreadth and claims brought by litigants asserting Fourth
    Amendment expectation-of-privacy issues. The majority observes that the latter issues
    (involving the FourthAmendment) can also be characterized as involving "standing," butare
    more accurately viewed as part of substantive Fourth Amendment law. To support that
    proposition, the majority quotes from Rakas v. Illinois, 
    439 U.S. 128
    , 139-140 (1978), in
    which the United States Supreme Court explained that "Fourth Amendment rights are
    personal in nature" and that the "definition of those rights is more properly placed within the
    purview of substantive Fourth Amendment law than within that of standing." But the issue
    of standing in First Amendment overbreadth cases is distinct from the conclusion that Fourth
    Amendment rights themselves are only personal rights.
    The majority observes that "[n]o one would claim . . . that a state court can decline to
    entertain the Fourth Amendment claim of an overnight guest on the ground that overnight
    guests simply do not have standing in state court under state law." Majority Opinion at 12.
    I agree. But that is because standing in that sense, under the Fourth Amendment, addresses
    not whether the claimant has a sufficientpersonalinterest to bring the claim at all, but rather,
    whether the claimant has a sufficientprivacy interest in the place searched to invoke Fourth
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    Amendment protection. The issue of standing in a Fourth Amendment case goes directly to
    whether the claimant's own personal Fourth Amendment right has been violated.
    It is also important to recognize that the Supreme Court has not invoked prudential
    considerations to expand the concept of Fourth Amendment standing as it has in First
    Amendment overbreadth cases. If it everdid, I might disagree with themajority about Fourth
    Amendment standing. I believe we might indeed then—properly—question our right to
    entertain a Fourth Amendment claim broughtby one claimant based only on the invasion of
    another person's rights, even if the United States Supreme Court sanctioned it.
    Rakas is also inapposite to the issue I have addressed. In Rakas, the Supreme Court
    was faced with a request to expand its traditional rules of standing in Fourth Amendment
    cases to allow criminal defendants to assert the Fourth Amendment rights of others when
    seeking to exclude evidence from their 
    trials. 439 U.S. at 129-130
    . The Supreme Court
    declined that request. 
    Id. at 150.
    Here, in contrast, the Supreme Court has already expanded
    its traditional rules of standing. I question only whether the sources of law that animate or
    restrain our authority permit us to follow their lead. The Court in Rakas described,
    "misgivings as to the benefit of enlarging the class of persons who may invoke the
    [exclusionary rule]" as aprudential consideration. 
    Rakas, 439 U.S. at 138
    . To the degree that
    expansion of traditional standing rules involves merely "prudential" considerations, even
    when the expansion is sanctioned by the United States Supreme Court, the standing rules at
    issue are no longer rooted in the substantive guarantees of the First Amendment.
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    I believe that the question of whether the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals must
    entertain a First Amendment overbreadth claim by a person who cannot demonstrate first that
    his own constitutional rights have been violated is a matter of state law. I do not believe that
    the relaxed standing requirement employed by the United States Supreme Court for
    overbreadth claims is a substantive guarantee of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court
    of the United States may no more compel this Court to hear such a claim by such a person
    than it may compel this Court to entertain discretionary review in civil cases. Prior to this
    time, I would have thought that the latter issue (that Supreme Court could never compel us
    to hear civil cases because our state constitution forbids it) to be beyond dispute. Compare
    TEX. CONST. ART. V, § 3 (jurisdiction of the Texas Supreme Court) with TEX. CONST. ART.
    V, § 5(a) (jurisdiction of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals).
    B.     Texas law limits this Court's authority to address overbreadth claims
    Having concluded that the standing element of an overbreadth claim is a matter of
    state law, I next address whether there are reasons why this Court should refuse to adopt the
    Supreme Court's relaxed standing requirements for overbreadth cases. I conclude we should
    not relax the standing requirements in Texas.
    The Supreme Court of the United States derives its authority from Article III of the
    United States Constitution, which limits its jurisdiction to "cases" and "controversies."6 That
    Court explains that the doctrine of "standing" is a landmark that serves to identify which
    cases will satisfy the Constitution's case and controversy requirement. See Lujan v.
    U.S. Const. Art. Ill § 2 (extending "judicial power" to "cases" and "controversies").
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    Defenders of Wildlife, 
    504 U.S. 555
    , 559-562 (1992). But "standing," the Court has
    explained, has two strands: (1) Article III standing and (2) prudential standing. See Elk Grove
    Unified Sch. Dist. V. Newdow, 542 U.S. 1,11 (2004). Both are founded on concerns "about
    the proper—and properly limited—role of the courts in a democratic society." Warth v.
    Seldi'n, All U.S. 490, 498 (1975).
    To establish Article III standing, a claimant in federal court must show an "injury-in-
    fact" which "helps to ensure that the plaintiff has a personal stake in the outcome of the
    controversy." Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus, 
    134 S. Ct. 2334
    , 2341 (2014) (internal
    quotation marks omitted). However, the Supreme Court has also "adverted to a prudential
    branch of standing, a doctrine not derived from Article III and not exhaustively defined but
    encompassing ... at least three broad principles: the general prohibition on a litigant's
    raising another person's legal rights, the rule barring adjudication of generalized grievances
    more appropriately addressed in the representative branches, and the requirement that a
    plaintiff's complaint fall within the zone of interests protected bythelaw invoked." Lexmark
    Int'l, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc., 
    134 S. Ct. 1377
    , 1386 (2014) (internal
    quotation marks omitted). These "broad principles," which animate the federal court's
    "prudential branch of standing," appear to meto be related more to the doctrine of separation
    of powers than to the Article III constitutional limitation of the federal courts' authority to
    the determination of cases and controversies. Cf. 
    id. (explaining, "From
    Article Ill's
    limitation of the judicial power to resolving Cases and Controversies, and the separation-of-
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    powers principles underlying that limitation, we have deduced a set of requirements that
    together make up the irreducible constitutional minimum of standing.") (internal quotation
    marks omitted).
    The United States Constitution does not expressly require that the powers of the three
    branches of the federal government be separated. It is the United States Supreme Court that
    has judicially enforced the federal doctrine of the separation of powers. SeeMiller v. French,
    
    530 U.S. 327
    , 341 (2000) (explaining, "[t]he Constitution enumerates and separates the
    powers of the three branches of Government in Articles I, II, and III, and it is this very
    structure of the Constitution that exemplifies the concept of separation of powers.") (internal
    quotation marks omitted). The Texas Constitution, in clear contrast, mandates in plain
    language—appearing in the Constitution itself—that the "powers of the Government... shall
    be divided."7 The fact that separation of powers in Texas is not just a judicially observed
    phenomenon, but a distinct, overt, and clearly stated constitutional mandate indicates to me
    that our courts might have less discretion in defining the parameters of that doctrine for our
    State than does the United States Supreme Court when it comes to its federal judicially made
    separation of powers doctrine.
    7TEX. CONST. ART. II, § 1(providing the following: "The powers ofthe Government ofthe
    State of Texas shall be divided into three distinct departments, each of which shall be confided to
    a separate bodyof magistracy, to wit: Thosewhichare Legislative to one; thosewhichare Executive
    to another, and those which are Judicial to another; and no person, or collection of persons, being
    ofone ofthese departments, shall exercise any power properly attached to either ofthe others, except
    in the instances herein expressly permitted.")
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    In fact, the author of today's majority opinion once wrote, "this Court has enforced
    the doctrine ofseparation ofpowers more aggressively than the United States Supreme Court
    has." State v. Rhine, 
    297 S.W.3d 301
    , 317 (Tex. Crim. App. 2009) (Keller, P.J., concurring,
    m which Meyers, Hervey, and Holcomb, JJ., joined). Perhaps that is because our Texas
    constitutional mandate that the powers of government remain separated is less subject to our
    own independent interpretation than is the federal—court made—doctrine of separation of
    powers. We should consider more seriously, then, whether the Texas Constitution's
    prohibition on actions by the Judiciary that invade the province of the Legislature might
    impede our authority to execute the United States Supreme Court's overbreadth doctrine in
    the exact samemanner as it is executedby thatCourt. And, consequently, I believe we should
    consider whether we may permit Appellee in this case to claim—in state court—that the
    statute under which he was convicted is unconstitutional in the absence of a showing that his
    own constitutional rights have been violated.
    Up to this point in time, this Court has simply assumed that it has the same authority
    as the United States Supreme Court to disregard traditional notions of standing (or to alter
    them) to address facial-overbreadth constitutional challenges in the area of the First
    Amendment, regardless of a showing by the complaining party that his own constitutional
    rights have been violated. But we might not have the authority to do that, and we ought not
    simply to presume that we do without at leastconsidering the matter with some skepticism.
    It is simply not enough to conclude that, because United States Supreme Court has that
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    power, we must have it as well. It would also be a mistake to conclude that the United States
    Supreme Court has the power to confer or even mandate jurisdiction or power to act upon
    this Court where the Texas Constitution and the Texas Legislature have not done so first. The
    Court of Criminal Appeals is not merely a subsidiary of the United States Supreme Court,
    or just a lesser federal court, even when it comes to questions of federal constitutional law.
    For a court to judge a law to be substantially overbroad in violation of the First
    Amendment, prohibiting its future enforcementcertainly frees the public from concern that
    it might be enforced against them should they choose to communicate in a manner appearing
    to conflict with the terms of the law. It is also beyond dispute that the First Amendment needs
    "breathing space," and a statute that is unconstitutionally overbroad in violation of the First
    Amendment may have the effect of chilling some protected expression until it is declared
    unconstitutional. But when a court judges a statute's potential unconstitutional breadth
    without thebenefit of a case inwhich itsunconstitutional breadth hasactually become known
    by application, the court risks entering into the realm of speculation and conjecture; its
    speculations and conjectures about the manners in which the law might beenforced may fail
    to accord appropriate latitude to the other two branches of government charged with
    upholding the constitution. To do so may also improperly invade the provinces that are
    proper only to the other branches of government.8
    8To be sure, there have been times in history when the courts have been more quick than
    other branches ofgovernment to address unconstitutional laws that were popular, such aswhen the
    courts addressed the Jim Crow laws. But in a rush to declare statutes facially unconstitutional to
    protect the public from what wejudges consider to be overbroad laws, we might also on occasion
    forget that we live in a somewhat cloistered world. We basically talk toourselves, and ourstaff, and
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    The majority's decision in this case, to me, bears a striking resemblance to legislative
    action. Here, an individual who was not unconstitutionally affected by the destruction of a
    flag law at issue has, in effect, asked this Court to repeal the statute under which he was
    properly and constitutionally charged and convicted, not because his own constitutional
    rights were violated, but because the statute might be unconstitutionally applied against
    others, in the future, who are not before the Court today. This Court has obliged his request.9
    In doing so, we have arguably engaged in afunction that should be reserved to the legislative
    branch of our State's government. Certainly, we would not have obliged his request, and
    neither would the United States Supreme Court, if he had challenged the statute under any
    theory other than that it violated the First Amendment.
    perhaps we read a book from time to time. The other two branches ofgovernment have far greater
    input on matters that directly affect the public than we do. The executive and legislative branches
    ofgovernment naturally have opportunities to access and interact both with those officials who apply
    our laws and with the citizens who are most directly affected by them. We in the judiciary have
    nowhere near the same level of contact with the thoughts and opinions of real people. This
    cloistering that affects the judiciary unlike the other branches of government puts us at a
    disadvantage when measuring the true breadth ofany law passed by the Legislature and approved
    by the Governor. Italso raises the specter that the court might, being called upon to speculate about
    the possible applications of a law, declare a statute unconstitutionally overbroad—a statute that
    would never have been enforced in a manner inconsistent with the First Amendment and would
    never have beenunderstood byordinary citizens toreach constitutionally protected expression—by
    imagining a perfectly fine law into a dangerous monster that threatens the very fabric ofour nation.
    We should guard ourselves against that.
    9Allowing a litigant tobring a claim inour state courts that a statute is unconstitutional when
    he cannot show that it was unconstitutionally applied to him in his own case also invites us to
    assume the power to issue advisory opinions. But we are without power to do that. See Pfeiffer v.
    State, 363 S.W.3d 594,600 (Tex. Crim. App. 2012) (observing thatthisCourtis "withoutauthority"
    to render advisory opinions). Infact, as this Court has held before, "[i]t iswell-established that this
    Court is without constitutional or statutory authority to . . . render advisory opinions, except" for
    whenwe are answering questions certified to us by a federal court. Ex parte Ruiz, 
    750 S.W.2d 217
    ,
    218 (Tex. Crim. App. 1988).
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    Consistent with the requirement that a claimant demonstrate standing before being
    allowed to advance a claim, the Supreme Court ordinarily requires adherence to the rule that,
    "a person to whom a statute may constitutionally be applied will not be heard to challenge
    [the] statute on the ground that it may conceivably be applied unconstitutionally to others,
    in other situations not before the Court." Broadrick v. Oklahoma, 413 U .S. at 610. That Court
    has apparently relied on "prudential" considerations to relax this ordinary rule of standing
    in cases alleging First Amendment overbreadth. However, I do not believe that we in Texas
    are free to interpret our constitutionally mandated separation of powers provision as liberally
    as the United States Supreme Court has interpreted its own court-made federal doctrine of
    separation of powers, pursuant to merely "prudential" considerations. Consequently, in this
    case, because Appellee cannot show that his own First Amendment rights have been violated,
    I would conclude Appellee's claim—that the Texas destruction-of-a-flag statute is facially
    unconstitutional—is barred. Cf. Hollingsworth v. Perry, 
    133 S.C. 2652
    , 2659 (2013)
    (explaining that when a claimant in federal court cannot establish standing to bring a claim,
    the federal courts "have no authority to decide [a] case").
    THE COURT MISAPPLIES OVERBREADTH
    Even assuming that we are authorized to address the facial constitutionality of the
    destruction of a flag statute in spite of Appellee's failure to demonstrate that the statute is
    unconstitutional as applied to his own conduct, I still have serious concerns that Appellee has
    failed to meet the bare requirements of the overbreadth doctrine, even as that doctrine has
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    been applied by the United States Supreme Court. In Broadrick, the United States Supreme
    Court explained,"where conduct and not merely speech is involved, . . . the overbreadth of
    a statute must not only be real, but substantial as well, judged in relation to the statute's
    plainly legitimate sweep." Broadrick, at 615. There is no question that the destruction of a
    flag statute addresses conduct. The majority even acknowledges that "the conduct of
    intentionally or knowingly damaging a United States flag is not inherently expressive."
    Majority Opinion at 20 & n.74; see also 
    Johnson, 491 U.S. at 403
    n.3. As a matter of fact,
    the only way that the destruction of a flag statute can ever be applied to expressive conduct
    is if an actor violates the statute with the additional self-initiated intent (not described in the
    statute) to express some message. But the statute itself makes no reference to this additional
    self-initiated intent.
    In isolation, then, the destruction of a flag statute is a pure conduct regulation. In that
    regard, it is really no different than our laws prohibiting disorderly conduct. See TEX. PEN.
    CODE § 42.01 (providing that a person commits an offense if, among other things, the person
    intentionally or knowingly "(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor
    in a public place;" or "(5) makes an unreasonable noise in a public place ... or in or near a
    private residence that he has no right to occupy"). Like the destruction of a flag statute, the
    disorderly conduct statute prohibits pure conduct. It is only when a discrete individual
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    violatestheselaws with the additionalself-initiated intent to communicate a messagethatany
    potential violation of the First Amendment—even arguably—might occur.10
    In many respects, the law at issue here is also comparable to the law at issue in
    Virginia v. Hicks. The Supreme Court explained that Hicks "was not arrested for leafleting
    or demonstrating without permission," but rather, "[h]e violated [a] written rule that persons
    who receive a barmentnotice must not return to the [Richmond Redevelopment and Housing
    Authority] property." 
    Hicks, 539 U.S. at 121
    . The Court explained, "there comes a point at
    which the chilling effect of an overbroad law, significant though it may be, cannot justify
    prohibiting all enforcement of that law—particularly a law that reflects 'legitimate state
    interests in maintaining comprehensive controls over harmful, constitutionally unprotected
    conduct.' [citation omitted]. For there are substantial social costs created by the overbreadth
    doctrine when it blocks application of a law to constitutionally unprotected speech, or
    especiallyto constitutionally unprotected conduct." 
    Id. at 119
    (first emphasis in the original;
    second emphasis added).
    It seems to me that a determination that a statute is unconstitutional on its face should
    not be entirely dependent on the motivations of individual violators who attack it. At that
    point, we are no longer truly addressing the facial constitutionality of the law itself, but the
    mere constitutionality of the application of the law against the individuals who violate it with
    10 The Texas Penal Code contains a defense to prosecution for cases in which a defendant
    engages inconduct thatwould violate Section 42.01 (a)(5) whenever thatconduct "consists ofspeech
    orother communication," unless the defendant hasdisobeyed areasonable order "tomove, disperse,
    or otherwise remedy the violation prior to his arrest[.]" Tex. Penal Code § 42.04(a), (c).
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    an additional self-initiated intent to communicate a message.
    The outer boundaries and reach of the overbreadth doctrine have not yet been defined
    by the United States Supreme Court. We know that before a court may strike down a law
    "where conduct and not merely speech is involved, ... the overbreadth of a statute must not
    only be real, but substantial as well, judged in relation to the statute's plainly legitimate
    sweep." Broadrick, at 615. But what constitutes "substantial... in relation to ... [its] plainly
    legitimate sweep"? An easy argument can be made that itmeans the statute prohibits a lot of
    protected speech! But the majority observes in this case only that itis "clear that the Texas
    flag destruction statute violates the First Amendment when applied to some circumstances"
    Majority Opinion at 20 (emphasis added). The majority also concedes that there are at least
    two types of situations that might involve permissible applications of the law. Majority
    Opinion at 24-25. The majority then concludes that "[m]ost conduct that falls within the
    provisions of the statute and that would come to the attention of the authorities would
    constitute protected expression." Majority Opinion at 25. But that conclusion can only be
    drawn with reference to choices made outside of the parameters of the language of the statute
    itself—and with a reference to choices made by actors who use the violation of this pure
    conduct-regulating statute to accomplish their own purposes.
    What is certain is that the overbreadth doctrine, as it is currently enforced by the
    Supreme Court, requires an examination of thestatute itself, andnot merely the potential or
    hypothetical First Amendment uses that violators of the statute might intend for it by their
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    acts taken in violation of its provisions. United States v. Stevens, 
    559 U.S. 460
    , 485 (2010)
    (explaining, "we have repeatedly emphasized that an overbreadth claimant bears the burden
    of demonstrating from the text of [the law] and from actual fact, that substantial overbreadth
    exists.") (internal quotation marks omitted). The Supreme Court explains the doctrine this
    way: "the overbreadth of a statute must not only be real, but substantial^]" Broadrick, at 615
    (emphasis added). Even the Supreme Court acknowledges that "there comes a point at which
    the chilling effect of an overbroad law, significant though it may be, cannot justify
    prohibiting all enforcement of that law." 
    Hicks, 539 U.S. at 119
    . That point might be where
    the language of the statute on its face fails to implicate any kind of communicative efforts,
    and where the only way the statute might prohibit First Amendment protected messages is
    if the conduct is intended for that purpose solely by the actor. See 
    Broadrick, 413 U.S. at 615
    (explaining, "facial overbreadth adjudication . . . attenuates as the otherwise unprotected
    behavior that it forbids the State to sanction moves from 'pure speech' toward conduct").
    This Court has not been asked to consider here, and it does not address, whether the
    flag destruction statute might be unconstitutionally vague or whether it might operate
    unconstitutionally foranyotherreason, such asin violation of a rightto liberty generally. The
    Court's limitation of itsopinion to theissue actually presented is,I believe, appropriate. Such
    questions should be reserved for cases in which those issues are clearly before us.
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    CONCLUSION
    Appellee in this case has failed to demonstrate that his own conduct—that violated
    the provisions of the destruction of a flag statute—was protected by the First Amendment.
    In cases where the destruction of a flag statute operates unconstitutionally in violation of an
    individual's First Amendment rights as applied, 1would agree that such an individual would
    deserve relief." Under the circumstances presented here, I cannot agree.
    FILED:        October 7, 2015
    PUBLISH
    11 It seems to me that the chances that law enforcement officials would attempt to apply this
    statute against an individual in violation of the First Amendment as construed by the United States
    Supreme Court have been substantially diminished as a result of thatCourt's opinions in Texas v.
    Johnson and UnitedStates v. Eichman. The constitutional right to burn and/or otherwise destroy the
    flag of the United States is now well and broadly known to the people of this country and beyond.
    Iwould besurprised ifeven people commonly interviewed byJesse Watters (host of Waiters' World
    on the television show The O'Reilly Factor) would not know that the Supreme Court has protected
    their right to express dissatisfaction by destroying the flag. In fact—perhaps because of those
    opinions—flag burning and flag destruction appear to have become somewhat of a rite of passage
    and evena badge of honor for domestic protesters of federal legislative and executive actions. It is
    incredibly common today to hear stories of people dishonoring this revered symbol of our nation.
    What has become much less common and almost non-existent since the United States Supreme
    Court opinions in Johnson and Eichman is stories of people being arrested and prosecuted for
    destroying a flag in the exercise of theirFirst Amendment right of free speech. Consequently, the
    urgency of striking down this law, even if its language does allow for the potential to reach some
    constitutionally protected speech, is diminished as well.