in the Interest of A. L. M. and S. M. M., Minor Children ( 2009 )


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  •                     In The
    Court of Appeals
    Sixth Appellate District of Texas at Texarkana
    ______________________________
    No. 06-08-00133-CV
    ______________________________
    IN THE INTEREST OF A.L.M. AND
    S.M.M., MINOR CHILDREN
    On Appeal from the 307th Judicial District Court
    Gregg County, Texas
    Trial Court Nos. 2007-2232-DR & 2008-721-DR
    Before Morriss, C.J., Carter and Moseley, JJ.
    Opinion by Justice Carter
    OPINION
    K.M. and J.M. appeal the trial court's order terminating their parental rights to A.L.M. and
    S.M.M. K.M. is the biological mother of B.L.S.,1 A.L.M., and S.M.M. J.M. is the biological father
    of sons A.L.M., age seven, and S.M.M., age one.
    The sole basis for termination in this case is based on the trial court's findings of the elements
    of the rarely-utilized Section 161.003 of the Texas Family Code2 which, generally, provides as a
    ground for termination a parent's mental illness or deficiency and the resulting inability to meet the
    child's mental, physical, and emotional needs. See TEX . FAM . CODE ANN . § 161.003 (Vernon 2008).
    The parents contend the evidence is legally and factually insufficient to satisfy the elements of
    Section 161.003 of the Texas Family Code because the Texas Department of Family and Protective
    Services (Department) did not prove by clear and convincing evidence that both K.M. and J.M. have
    a mental or emotional illness or mental deficiency that in all reasonable probability will render both
    of them unable to provide for both A.L.M.'s and S.M.M.'s physical, emotional, and mental needs
    until the eighteenth birthday of each child. We agree.
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    K.M. signed an affidavit of relinquishment of her parental rights to B.L.S. to facilitate the
    adoption of B.L.S. by one of K.M.'s sisters, not the one living with the accused abuser. The parents
    concede that the termination of parental rights to B.L.S. is not at issue. She will be discussed only
    as she relates to the initial removal of and termination of rights to the other children.
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    Section 161.003 of the Texas Family Code has some distinct elements, including timing
    elements, not found in the more commonly-used grounds of Section 161.001 of the Texas Family
    Code. See TEX . FAM . CODE ANN . § 161.001 (Vernon Supp. 2009).
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    I.     FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    A.      Leading up to Removal of Two Older Children
    In 2000, the oldest daughter, B.L.S., began making outcries of sexual abuse by Berry
    Robertson. Robertson is the common-law husband of K.M.'s sister Sonna and is also second cousin
    to K.M. and Sonna. The Department ultimately ruled out these allegations. She again made outcries
    in 2001 which the Department gave a "reason to believe" designation, but eventually dismissed. In
    2007, B.L.S. again made outcries of sexual abuse by Robertson. At some later date, the family lived
    with or near J.M.'s father, Reuben de la Rosa, a convicted sex offender. As a result, in October 2007,
    the Department removed B.L.S. and A.L.M. and filed a petition for termination of parental rights on
    four grounds under Section 161.001 of the Texas Family Code.3
    B.      A New Child and New Allegations
    During the pendency of that suit, K.M. gave birth to another son, S.M.M., in January 2008.
    Three months after his birth, the Department removed S.M.M. and filed a petition for termination
    of parental rights in a new and separate cause number (2008-721-DR), seeking termination on the
    same four grounds as were sought in the case involving B.L.S. and A.L.M. On September 18, 2008,
    the Department amended its petition as to all three children and referencing one cause number (2007-
    2232-DR), to add the ground for termination under Section 161.003 of the Texas Family Code. The
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    The Department sought termination as to the children based on Sections 161.001(1)(D), (E),
    (N), and (O). Those grounds, generally, involve dangerous conditions, dangerous conduct,
    constructive abandonments, and failure to comply with a court order, respectively.
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    hearing was held, at the end of which the Department affirmatively abandoned its allegations of
    constructive abandonment.
    C.      The Trial Court's Ruling
    A trial to the bench on September 29–30, 2008, resulted in termination of parental rights as
    to B.L.S. based on an affidavit of relinquishment and termination and as to A.L.M. and S.M.M.
    based only on the mental illness/deficiency ground under Section 161.003 of the Texas Family Code.
    The trial court explained it did not find that K.M. and J.M. knowingly put the children in dangerous
    conditions. The trial court did not orally find that J.M. failed to pay ordered child support, but the
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    final order included that finding.4        The trial court signed its consolidated5 final order
    November 20, 2008.
    The parents filed a statement of points on appeal November 3. See TEX . FAM . CODE ANN .
    § 263.405(b) (Vernon 2008). At the Section 263.405 hearing, the trial court found that appellant
    parents' appeal would not be frivolous and that they were indigent and, thus, entitled to a free record
    and an appointed attorney for appeal. K.M. and J.M. filed their notice of appeal November 10, 2008,
    and their amended notice of appeal November 24, 2008. TEX . FAM . CODE ANN . § 263.405(d), (e)
    (Vernon 2008). The parents appeal the order as to A.L.M. and S.M.M., but not as to B.L.S.
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    Before a final order was signed, the attorneys and trial court realized that trial in regard to
    S.M.M. started before the Department had been his managing conservator for six months, although
    it did begin 181 (trial court says 182) days after the Department had filed its original petition as to
    S.M.M. (on April 1, 2008). TEX . FAM . CODE ANN . § 161.003(a)(3), (c). In an attempt to cure the
    error, on October 21, 2008, the trial court granted a new trial as to S.M.M., took judicial notice of
    the testimony from the September 29–30 trial, then entered an order only as to S.M.M. and another
    order as to the two older children. All parties appeared at that hearing and re-urged the evidence
    presented three weeks earlier at the hearing. On the record, the trial judge stated she had found
    earlier that J.M. had not paid child support as ordered. The trial court's ruling does not confirm that
    statement.
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    Pursuant to the parents' motion to reform the order of termination and to combine the
    separate orders as to S.M.M. and as to B.L.S. and A.L.M. for purposes of appeal, the trial court
    reformed those two final orders into one final order November 20, 2008.
    The trial court had earlier signed an order of consolidation November 7, 2008, to make clear
    the two causes were combined. No written order consolidating the causes before trial appears in the
    clerk's record, but the trial court makes reference in its written order to its June 11 oral declaration
    that the two causes were to be consolidated. The docket sheet for the S.M.M. cause states it was
    consolidated with the B.L.S. and A.L.M. cause, but no consolidation order was signed before trial.
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    II.    APPLICABLE LAW
    A.      The Family Code
    Section 161.003 provides as follows.
    (a)    The court may order termination of the parent-child relationship in a suit filed
    by the Department of Protective and Regulatory Services if the court finds that:
    (1) the parent has a mental or emotional illness or a mental deficiency that
    renders the parent unable to provide for the physical, emotional, and mental
    needs of the child;
    (2) the illness or deficiency, in all reasonable probability, proved by clear and
    convincing evidence, will continue to render the parent unable to provide for
    the child's needs until the 18th birthday of the child;
    (3) the department has been the temporary or sole managing conservator of
    the child of the parent for at least six months preceding the date of the
    hearing on the termination held in accordance with Subsection (c);
    (4) the department has made reasonable efforts to return the child to the
    parent; and
    (5) the termination is in the best interest of the child.
    (b)     Immediately after the filing of a suit under this section, the court shall appoint
    an attorney ad litem to represent the interests of the parent against whom the suit is
    brought.
    (c)    A hearing on the termination may not be held earlier than 180 days after the
    date on which the suit was filed.
    (d)    An attorney appointed under Subsection (b) shall represent the parent for the
    duration of the suit unless the parent, with the permission of the court, retains another
    attorney.
    TEX . FAM . CODE ANN . § 161.003.
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    B.       Standard of Review
    In a termination of parental rights appeal, legal and factual insufficiency points require a
    heightened standard of review. In re J.F.C., 
    96 S.W.3d 256
    , 266 (Tex. 2002); In re C.H., 
    89 S.W.3d 17
    , 25 (Tex. 2002). In reviewing the legal sufficiency, we view all the evidence in a light most
    favorable to the finding to determine whether a trier of fact could reasonably have formed a firm
    belief or conviction about the truth of the State's allegations. 
    J.F.C., 96 S.W.3d at 266
    ; In re T.H.,
    
    131 S.W.3d 598
    , 602 (Tex. App.—Texarkana 2004, pet. denied). In reviewing the factual
    sufficiency of the evidence, we must ask whether the evidence is such that a finder of fact could
    reasonably form a firm belief or conviction about the truth of the State's allegations. 
    C.H., 89 S.W.3d at 25
    .
    C.       Cases Addressing and Affirming Termination Under Section 161.003
    If not all, then the vast majority of cases addressing Section 161.003 have affirmed the trial
    court's judgment terminating parental rights.6 To illustrate the evidence necessary to affirm, we will
    discuss some of those cases.
    In Liu v. Department of Family and Protective Services, 
    273 S.W.3d 785
    (Tex.
    App—Houston [1st Dist.] 2008, no pet.), the mother suffered from schizophrenia and repeatedly
    refused to take medicine.      She was hospitalized several times and repeatedly engaged in
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    The Fort Worth court suggested that the evidence in In re J.P., No. 02-07-00026-CV, 2008
    Tex. App. LEXIS 773 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth Feb. 4, 2008, no pet.) (mem. op.), would have been
    insufficient. However, as the court noted, the Department did not allege Section 161.003 as grounds
    for termination in that case.
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    inappropriate and even violent behavior, from dancing nude through the house to attacking a grocery
    clerk. 
    Id. at 787,
    792–93. She was reported as not changing her child's diaper properly; provision
    of food was unknown. 
    Id. at 787.
    She threatened to shoot Department employees and reported
    hearing female voices telling her negative things. 
    Id. at 793.
    The court concluded that the evidence
    showed she could not properly care for her child without taking medication, which she refused to
    do and, as a result, had a history of hospitalization and demonstrated inappropriate, dangerous
    behavior. 
    Id. at 794.
    In Rodriguez v. Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, No. 03-05-00321-CV,
    2006 Tex. App. LEXIS 4338 (Tex. App.—Austin May 19, 2006, no pet.) (mem. op.), the mother
    challenged the factual sufficiency of the evidence that established that the mother had mild mental
    retardation and dependent personality disorder. She suffered from seizures as well. 
    Id. at *8.
    The
    dependent personality disorder prevented her from functioning as an independent adult. 
    Id. at *9–10.
    Her child suffered from seizure disorder, brain encephalopathy, developmental delays, reflux
    disorder, and reactive airway disease. 
    Id. at *3.
    As a result, the child had to regularly visit a
    neurologist, pediatrician, gastroenterologist, and ENT doctor. 
    Id. Care for
    the "medically fragile"
    child called for "strict seizure precautions," extensive and careful supervision, and medication
    administration. 
    Id. at *4,
    *19. The evidence showed the mother's low IQ and dependent personality
    disorder prevented her from responding to the child's significant medical needs. 
    Id. at *11,
    *13–14.
    The mother's repeated failures to take her own medication reflected negatively on her ability to meet
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    the child's medical needs. 
    Id. at *12.
    She had limited ability to understand the child's medical needs
    and limited ability to make independent decisions as to those needs. 
    Id. at *10.
    In Morales v. Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, No. 03-04-00003-CV,
    2004 Tex. App. LEXIS 8752 (Tex. App.—Austin Sept. 30, 2004, no pet.) (mem. op.), a mildly
    mentally retarded father challenged the factual sufficiency of the evidence. He suffered from short-
    term memory loss, seizures, and impaired vision resulting from a brain injury sustained in a car
    accident. 
    Id. at *4.
    He also suffered from high blood pressure, diabetes, and dormant hepatitis C,
    and he could not work or drive, and had extreme difficulty reading. 
    Id. No personality
    disorder was
    diagnosed, but the psychologist testified that he had antisocial and narcissistic tendencies. 
    Id. at *5.
    The child's prenatal drug addiction resulted in grand mal seizures, insomnia, and chronic reflux. The
    child also had cerebral palsy, asthma, and delayed speech development. 
    Id. at *2.
    Medical care
    included one doctor's appointment per week, therapy twice a week, breathing treatments and multiple
    medications twice a day, and "around the clock" care. 
    Id. at *2–3.
    The father's low intellectual
    functioning and personality traits prevented him from understanding or dealing with the child's
    extensive medical needs; his deficiencies impaired his judgment and decision making. 
    Id. at *13.
    The court reviewed the legal and factual sufficiency that showed the mother was mentally
    retarded and had a major depressive disorder with psychotic features. In re C.L., No. 04-03-00638-
    CV, 2004 Tex. App. LEXIS 488, at *5 (Tex. App.—San Antonio Jan. 21, 2004, no pet.) (mem. op.).
    She functioned as a pre-teen in her daily life and would do so for the rest of her life; she was not
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    capable of meeting her childrenId. at *5–6. 
    For her to do so would require more help than
    was available. 
    Id. at *6.
    A chronically depressed and mentally retarded mother challenged the factual sufficiency of
    the evidence that showed that she harbored feelings of inadequacy and had a limited capacity to
    engage in higher level processing and decision making. In re C.M., No. 01-98-00493-CV, 1999 Tex.
    App. LEXIS 4006 (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] May 27, 1999, no pet.) (published in part).7 Her
    reading level caused concerns regarding her ability to administer medicine and maintain a safe home.
    
    Id. at *10.
    The evidence also showed the mother had a history of alcohol and drug abuse, neglectful
    supervision, and abusive relationships; the children were abused by the mother's partner in these
    abusive relationships. 
    Id. at *8–9,
    *11, *13–14. The evidence also showed her noncompliance with
    most aspects of the service plan. She could not remember the grades of the children, the names of
    their schools, or the names of the people who cared for one of the children. 
    Id. at *13.
    The children
    had special intellectual and emotional needs and had mild mental retardation. 
    Id. The psychologist
    testified that the mother could not provide appropriate parenting for the children to overcome their
    intellectual and emotional deficits. 
    Id. In Salas
    v. Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, 
    71 S.W.3d 783
    (Tex.
    App.—El Paso 2002, no pet.), a mentally retarded mother challenged the sufficiency of the evidence
    that showed that she was currently in long-term state care and diagnosed with impulse control
    7
    Published portion found at In re C.M., 
    996 S.W.2d 269
    (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.]
    1999, no pet.).
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    disorder which manifested itself in inappropriate and indiscriminate sexual activity (hypersexuality).8
    She was in structured supervision and had to be accompanied by a staff member at all times. 
    Id. at 786.
    She was doing poorly in state care, having run away several times, engaging in aggressive acts
    toward other patients, and making very little progress. 
    Id. In fact,
    there was testimony that she had
    actually regressed. 
    Id. at 787.
    The caseworker testified that the mother was unable to care for
    herself, hold a job, or provide a safe home for the children. 
    Id. at 786.
    A trend does seem to appear. When the evidence is less convincing of the parent's complete
    inability to parent, appellate courts are still willing to affirm termination on this ground when the
    evidence establishes special, extensive medical or emotional needs of the children. See Rodriguez,
    2006 Tex. App. LEXIS 4338, at *3–5. Other cases make little or no mention of the specific needs
    of the child when evidence of the mental illness or deficiency make it clear that the parent is unable
    to meet the needs of a child without severe problems. See 
    Liu, 273 S.W.3d at 787
    ; 
    Salas, 71 S.W.3d at 785
    –87. The needier the child, the more able the parent must be.
    III.   SUFFICIENCY OF EVIDENCE OF MENTAL DEFICIENCY, INABILITY TO
    MEET NEEDS OF CHILD
    Again, to support termination under Section 161.003, the Department must prove by clear
    and convincing evidence, inter alia, that the parent suffers from a mental illness or deficiency and
    that such mental illness or deficiency will, in all reasonable probability, render the parent unable to
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    At the beginning of the Department's investigation, a worker visited the family home to find
    no food and inadequate sleeping arrangements. The children were hungry, thirsty, and unkempt, and
    one child had very bad tooth decay. 
    Id. at 785.
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    provide for the child's needs until the child is eighteen years old. See TEX . FAM . CODE
    ANN . § 161.003(a)(1), (2). A sister court has characterized the elements of Section 161.003 as "more
    stringent" than the elements of Section 161.001. See In re J.P., No. 02-07-00026-CV, 2008 Tex.
    App. LEXIS 773 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth Feb. 4, 2008, no pet.) (mem. op.).
    A.    A Word on the Conjunctive
    "Ordinarily the words 'and' and 'or,' are in no sense interchangeable terms, but, on the
    contrary, are used in the structure of language for purposes entirely variant, the former being strictly
    of a conjunctive, the latter, of a disjunctive, nature." See Bd. of Ins. Comm'rs v. Guardian Life Ins.
    Co. of Tex., 
    142 Tex. 630
    , 
    180 S.W.2d 906
    , 908 (1944); see also In re Brookshire Grocery Co., 
    250 S.W.3d 66
    , 69–70 (Tex. 2008); Bayou Pipeline Corp. v. R.R. Comm'n, 
    568 S.W.2d 122
    , 125 (Tex.
    1978). With that, the State must prove that the parents are unable to meet the physical, mental, and
    emotional needs of the children. Realizing that often a child's needs are complex and may really
    touch on one or more of those needs, we do not propose that the State must set out examples of a
    parent's inability to meet each distinct need. What is clear is that the statute contemplates a global
    failure of the parent to meet the needs of the children.
    We want to point out again that this case is not a case specifically involving endangerment
    under Section 161.001(1)(D) or (E). The Department did not prevail on an endangerment ground.
    Therefore, we are not looking to determine whether an act or omission of the parents endangered the
    physical or emotional well-being of the children. We are looking at the evidence that would show
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    the parents' inability to meet the mental, physical, and emotional needs of the children. With that
    distinction in mind, we turn now to the State's evidence to examine the legal and factual sufficiency
    of that evidence to so show.
    B.        K.M.'s and J.M.'s Testimony
    K.M. and J.M. married in 2001. K.M. testified that she graduated from high school and is
    currently living in a housing authority apartment. She detailed the family expenses. She testified
    that she plans to live in that apartment for the rest of her life and does not want to move any more.
    She testified that in addition to J.M.'s income, she has her own job mowing one large yard every two
    weeks and does some housecleaning jobs. She admits to having trouble remembering some things.
    However, in an attempt to remedy those difficulties, she maintains a folder with her important papers
    relating to programs and assistance she has received and sought. She brought the folder to show the
    trial court and explained that the folder is one way she stays organized and remembers things.
    She testified that she and J.M. get helpful relationship counseling from their pastor. She also
    testified that the director of the housing authority has spoken to them about moving the family into
    a two-bedroom apartment should the boys return. She read the director's letter of recommendation
    into evidence.
    She described the care she gave the children before their removal. She would take them to
    the playground and would always watch A.L.M. so that he would not fall and get hurt. She always
    kept them clean and well-clothed. She admitted to giving A.L.M. some sweets, especially when he
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    would ask for them in a store. She testified that they took A.L.M. to church. The family liked to go
    to the lake; she recalled that A.L.M. even caught some fish and wanted to keep them as pets, but the
    parents said no. She recounted memories relating to A.L.M.'s last birthday, and said they had
    surprised him with cake, family members attending, and lots of presents.
    When A.L.M. would get a sore throat, she would take him to a doctor, get him medicine, and
    make sure he took the medicine. He only got sick a few times the year before going into foster care.
    She took A.L.M. to a dentist in Longview when he was about four. She felt bad because A.L.M.'s
    teeth were in bad condition, and there was really little to be done at that point. The dentist
    recommended waiting to start the extensive work needed on his teeth until after school was out for
    the summer so that he would not have to miss a great deal of school. She acknowledged that A.L.M.
    has had caps put on while in foster care and is not supposed to have sweets and admitted bringing
    him a package of gummy bears to a visit once, thinking that it would not hurt to have one package.
    She took S.M.M. for a checkup with his pediatrician shortly after he got out of the hospital.
    The doctor measured his head and his length and said that he was growing well and doing fine. She
    took S.M.M. back to the doctor another time and does not know why the Department would be
    unable to find a record of that second visit. She testified that she will get WIC and get the boys back
    on Medicaid if they are returned.
    She spoke of her routine with A.L.M. at night. He would get a bath after dinner and was able
    to dress himself. She would then read books to him and sit beside him until he fell asleep. He would
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    brush his teeth and liked to use deodorant, so she let him use hers. She would limit the amount of
    sweet drinks he could have, but kept apple juice and orange juice in the refrigerator thinking that it
    was natural and would not harm his teeth more.
    K.M. testified that she was very sad that B.L.S. had to testify, and had asked her lawyer to
    get friends and family out of the courtroom for B.L.S.'s sake, to make it a little easier on her to testify
    about the sexual abuse issues. K.M. testified to the circumstances surrounding the time in which
    Sonna and Robertson stayed with them. She finally told them to leave because of the abuse
    accusations. Later, the family would live with them again under difficult financial circumstances
    and due to her once close bond with her sister Sonna, Robertson's common-law wife.
    K.M. testified that she does not keep pornography around the house. When pressed to
    speculate as to how A.L.M. might have been exposed to pornography (which is speculative itself),
    K.M. guessed that Robertson might have such materials. She testified that she was relinquishing her
    rights to B.L.S. to make B.L.S. happy and believed that her sister (not the sister living with accused
    abuser Robertson) would be a good parent for B.L.S. She expressed her desire to get back her sons.
    She testified that she has a support system in her friends, some family, and her church. She
    gets counseling and now has a stable home. Her health has gotten better; she has been exercising
    and has lost sixty-five pounds. She described her plans for taking care of the family and utilizing
    church as a resource and would agree to any Department monitoring of their home. She testified that
    they have stayed away from Robertson and de la Rosa and that she would never take her children
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    around them again. When pressed about the decision to live with Sonna and Robertson, she
    explained that their financial situation left them no choice. She has cut ties with much of her family
    due to the sexual and physical abuse issues going on and reiterated that she was not going to take her
    children back around those people. She repeated how helpful her pastor's counseling has been to the
    family.
    J.M. testified that he does handyman and yard work. After the rent and bills are paid, they
    have "a little" money left over and that goes mostly to groceries. He testified to the several
    residences they have had over the years. He was raised by an aunt and uncle and did not meet his
    father, de la Rosa, until he was out of high school. His father told him that he went to jail for DWI.
    He admitted that after learning things connected to this case, the story was probably not right. At
    the time the family lived with de la Rosa, J.M. did not know of de la Rosa's sex offense conviction.
    After he learned the nature of the conviction, the family did not live with him again. He confirmed
    that there were no allegations that de la Rosa ever acted inappropriately with any of the children.
    J.M. does have a few health problems and was scheduled to see a doctor. He admits they
    should have gotten a government-subsidized apartment sooner, rather than rely on certain family
    members with questionable moral compositions. He testified that he and A.L.M. would go fishing
    together and that A.L.M. liked to ride his bike and go to the park. He or someone from the church
    will have to be available to help K.M. since she does not drive. He, like K.M., agreed to any
    monitoring of the home if the boys were returned. He was optimistic about the family's future.
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    On cross-examination, the Department pointed out that he paid all of his court costs
    associated with an assault case, but was not able to pay child support. He clarified that they lived
    for short periods of time with Sonna and Robertson when the family needed a place to stay for a bit.
    He testified that he and K.M. always watched the children closely.
    C.      Testimony from Department Workers and Foster Mother
    1.      Summary
    Wendy McMillan became the Department caseworker for this case in March 2008, after the
    original caseworker left the agency. She conceded that the parents completed their psychological
    evaluations and took parenting classes, maintained regular visits with the children, and obtained a
    safe, appropriate home. The parents failed to provide a copy of the children's immunization records,
    but did provide the required health, social, education, and genetic history packets. They went to
    counseling sessions with Donna Mason,9 as required by the family service plan in place from
    approximately November 2007 to March 2008 when the family was assigned to Dr. Donald E.
    Winsted, III. K.M. and J.M. attended their evaluations and only about two more sessions with
    Winsted. She testified that drug abuse has never been an issue with this family.
    She described the family's weekly supervised visitation. Though they attended regularly,
    according to McMillan, K.M. and J.M. demonstrated a "complete lack of parenting skills." As an
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    Mason discontinued counseling services because she became concerned about S.M.M. still
    being in the home at that time and requested that the family be directed to another counselor. Mason
    wrote a letter about the safety of S.M.M. and her concerns about that. Her position was yet another
    reason the Department sought removal of S.M.M.
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    example of this complete lack of parenting skills, McMillan reports an instance in which K.M. asked
    one of McMillan's co-workers if five-month-old S.M.M. could have a sip of pineapple juice, what
    McMillan characterized as "a big red flag." She went on to explain that a mother of three would
    usually know that children are usually given only formula until about six months of age, not five
    months of age. Further, any juice should have been a baby food brand with reduced sugar. K.M.
    also did not hold S.M.M.'s bottle properly and had to be "redirected" on that issue. The parents also
    brought A.L.M. candy even though they were asked not to due to the state of his teeth at the time.
    McMillan noted that J.M. took more of an observation role during the visitations, but would
    get on the floor to play or color with A.L.M. when A.L.M. asked him to do so. She also noted that
    television was a "big part" of the visit; the family just sat and watched television without much
    interaction. A.L.M., who McMillan described as pretty needy, would constantly seek attention and
    jump around a good deal and was ignored in large part.
    McMillan testified that she believed that the parents did not understand the needs of the
    children or how to meet those needs. For instance, she noticed that when the parents would come
    to visit, they would always have cigarettes, but refused to buy A.L.M. a kid's meal at a fast food
    restaurant. She also described an incident in which K.M. wanted to continue to watch a video of a
    child's show starring a purple dinosaur when A.L.M. asked to change the video; since K.M. wanted
    to continue to watch the purple dinosaur show when A.L.M. did not, McMillan saw this as an
    example of K.M. putting her own needs before those of A.L.M.
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    McMillan confirms that as far as she is aware, no family member is living with Robertson.
    The children are doing well in their foster placements. She testified to S.M.M.'s physical condition
    when he came into Department care. He had cradle cap and a low head circumference which she
    attributed to lying in a flat position. He had a nonresponsive affect; he did not cry a lot like most
    babies. In foster care, his head condition has improved, he has gained weight, and is more
    responsive, appearing happy and playful. He still has some developmental delays, but, according
    to McMillan, he is moving toward his goals at a much faster pace. A.L.M. continues to have some
    sexually inappropriate behaviors. She testified about the relinquishment of rights to B.L.S.,
    maintaining that the parents are unable to provide B.L.S. with a safe environment. Finally,
    McMillan did agree that there was never an issue noted regarding any concern with housekeeping;
    houses were always sufficiently clean and well-stocked.
    Christa Leeman, S.M.M.'s foster mother, testified that S.M.M. smelled bad and needed clean
    clothes when he came into her care. She described his cradle cap and head circumference issues.
    She also went into his developmental delays. She described the steps she is taking to improve his
    head circumference problem and developmental delays, including taking S.M.M. to an early
    childhood coordinator once a month and an occupational therapist once a month and following their
    advice: exercising and playing with him every day and continuing his medical care. The exercises
    help him practice his gross and fine motor skills.
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    Timika Wesley is the case manager for East Texas Child Advocates and acted as guardian
    ad litem. She has never gone to the parents' house, but is familiar with all the information generated
    in the case. She provided her impressions of their parenting ability: "I've observed the mental
    instability of the parents. It was – I feel as though they needed a little more understanding, a little,
    you know, help in talking to them about the case and my role in the case, things of that sort." She
    commented on what she thought were inappropriate gifts. For instance, she pointed out that K.M.
    once brought A.L.M. a potholder. K.M. would later explain that it was probably given to A.L.M.
    to give to his foster mother. She did not believe the parents could meet the needs of the children,
    but did not detail those needs or the inability to meet those needs. She observed the parents playing
    and interacting with A.L.M. during visitation and agreed A.L.M. was bonded with his parents.
    Beverly Tullar is the CPS supervisor in the conservatorship unit. She did not agree with the
    decision to allow K.M.'s parents to be caretakers for S.M.M. She noted that the Department's
    homemaker has provided one-on-one services with the parents and commented on the several
    residences they have had over the course of the years and the investigation. She maintained that
    although the parents had made living arrangements with other family members or through a shelter
    at church, only within the last month have the parents gotten a suitable place of their own, the
    apartment. (This runs contrary to the recommendations made by the Department after S.M.M.'s
    birth, directing the parents to obtain larger housing and allowing K.M.'s parents to act as caregivers.)
    Tullar characterized the parents as "resistant to participate in services," although the record suggests
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    that K.M. and J.M. complied with the majority of the instructions provided in the family service
    plans. She testified to the first counselor's refusal to continue counseling upon the discovery that
    S.M.M. remained in their care and the parents' failure to follow through with more counseling
    sessions with Winsted.
    Speaking generally, Tullar explained that the Department has specified A.L.M.'s needs and
    that the parents have not demonstrated that they can meet those needs. She did not provide those
    "specified" needs. She testified that the facts that S.M.M. already had developmental delays and had
    cradle cap demonstrate that the parents were not providing sufficient medical care. The parents did
    not take advantage of the support group they had through church. She expressed some sympathy for
    them and just thinks they cannot serve as adequate parents.
    2.      Evaluating this Evidence
    There have been no allegations of drug use. There is no evidence that the children have had
    insufficient food available. According to all reports, food and formula have always been adequate.
    K.M. testified that she kept A.L.M. clean and well-dressed. There is evidence from the foster mother
    that S.M.M. smelled bad and needed clean clothing upon his arrival.
    A.L.M.'s dental problems may go to specific medical needs. However, there is evidence from
    K.M. that she took A.L.M. to the dentist. According to K.M., the dentist directed that A.L.M. return
    for care after school was out for summer so that he would not miss a great deal of school for the
    extensive work that would need to be done. K.M. testified that she limited his access to sweet drinks
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    but did admit that she kept juices available in the refrigerator. She did bring him gummy bears to
    a visitation; she thought one package would not be that bad.
    Regarding S.M.M., there is evidence that he had cradle cap, a condition the foster mother was
    able to remedy by washing and scrubbing his head. There is no evidence as to how common or
    dangerous this condition is or whether the parents could have taken some action to avoid it or took
    some action to cause it—just evidence that he had it and that the foster mother remedied it with
    relative ease. S.M.M.'s foster mother testified that he was diagnosed with developmental delays.
    K.M. testified that she took him for his first checkup and that everything checked out okay. So there
    is some conflicting evidence on the existence of those delays. Also missing from the record is any
    evidence that the parents would be unable to meet S.M.M.'s need with respect to working on the
    developmental delays.     According to the foster mother, she has to go to monthly doctor's
    appointments and perform daily play and exercises with him. By most accounts, perhaps all except
    McMillan's, K.M. was an attentive and playful mother. McMillan's testimony even shows that J.M.
    has played some with A.L.M., suggesting he could do the same with S.M.M. So, no evidence shows
    that the foster mother is required to play with or exercise S.M.M. in a manner of which K.M. and
    J.M. are incapable. There is also no evidence that the parents would not be able to take S.M.M. for
    medical care. In the few months that he was in their care, K.M. took him to at least one doctor's
    appointment and, perhaps, two appointments, according to K.M.
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    The testimony from those associated with the Department fails to establish by clear and
    convincing evidence that K.M. and J.M. were, as a result of their mental deficiencies, unable to meet
    the mental, physical, and emotional needs of their sons. Many of the examples of the "complete lack
    of parenting skills" are, in fact, hypercritical observations of the parents and fail to meet the
    heightened standard of proof necessary for termination.
    D.      Dr. Winsted's Testimony Concerning Parenting
    Dr. Winsted is the psychologist who performed psychological evaluations of A.L.M.,10 K.M.,
    and J.M. He explained his purpose in conducting these evaluations: "to determine if parents have
    issues that could impede their parenting and then what kind of services they need to work on those
    issues."
    1.      Evaluation of K.M.
    According to Winsted, K.M. was "functioning on what we call the mentally deficient range
    of intelligence."   He characterized this as "potentially an issue."      In the evaluation, K.M.
    acknowledged neuropsychological dysfunction. That is, she explained that she had difficulty
    concentrating, difficulty in forming thoughts, and had chronic headaches.
    "At that time," K.M. was having "emotional stress and problems." She displayed "anxiety,
    depression, and post-traumatic symptoms" and "some thought confusion." Winsted also testified that
    10
    Winsted first detailed his observations following his evaluation of A.L.M., explaining that
    A.L.M. may have emotional or behavioral problems as suggested by some gender identity confusion
    and sexual acting out. He later conceded that A.L.M.'s elevated behavioral and emotional issues
    could have been caused or exacerbated by removal from his parents.
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    "at that time," K.M. suffered from "low ego strength" or "low self-esteem" and had "a lot of
    unhappiness and personal distress." Later, he would acknowledge on cross-examination that certain
    emotional features or "distress" could have been caused by the fact that A.L.M. had fairly recently
    been removed from the home. Winsted went on to testify that "at that time," K.M. also showed some
    antisocial, avoidant, dependent, obsessive-compulsive, paranoid, schizoid, and schizotypal
    personality traits. She also displayed self-defeating, depression, and passive aggressive features.
    When asked to explain the significance of the above-listed personality findings, Winsted
    testified, "If they're clinically significant, then that would suggest that this person probably has
    difficulty relating to others in a lot of different areas and with a lot of different people." Her "ability
    to relate effectively to others consistently is likely to be impaired with these types of personality
    issues." He does explain, however, that personality issues can be modified or improved. But they
    are difficult to change. Mental deficiency, on the other hand, is generally set at K.M.'s age and
    would not likely change. He testified that her mentally deficient functioning level would remain so
    until each child reached the age of eighteen.
    Winsted testified that K.M. would be able to meet some of A.L.M.'s needs, "but there are
    some important needs that [A.L.M.] has that [K.M.] may have difficulty meeting." (Emphasis
    added.) For instance, K.M. can meet some of A.L.M.'s basic physical needs such as adequate food,
    clothing, etc., and could encourage him to do well in school. He went on to explain, though, that it
    would be hard for K.M. to help her son with homework and such. According to Winsted, K.M.
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    would "struggle" most with A.L.M.'s emotional and behavioral issues, such as any issues arising
    from any sexual abuse. He goes on to explain that there could be issues K.M. needs to work on
    herself in order to be able to provide A.L.M. "a healing environment" for his emotional and
    behavioral issues. K.M.'s own healing/coping would require "long-term intervention."
    "At that time" K.M. displayed characteristics like parents who physically abuse their children.
    Winsted is careful to interject that his observations do not mean that she has abused her children,
    only that she shares some characteristics with that type of parent.           He testified that those
    characteristics could suggest a "a greater risk" of that behavioral pattern. Some of her parenting
    attitudes were "good," some were "okay," and still others would need to be modified.
    K.M.'s issues surrounding her physical abuse would need to be addressed. "At that time,"
    K.M. said she was having difficulty controlling "angry impulses" and had trust issues.11 He also
    testified that she had "pretty significant mood swings" "at that time." All of these characteristics,
    he testified, would make it difficult for K.M. to deal with or relate to other people. Her problems
    lie not only in her deficient cognitive function, but also in her emotional and personality functioning;
    the combination leads to her problems.
    2.      Evaluation of J.M.
    Winsted described J.M. as friendly and cooperative, although he did come across as
    "defensive" in response to some questions. When patients take a defensive posture, explained
    11
    Winsted interjected that it was understandable, under the circumstances, for K.M. to have
    trust issues.
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    Winsted, that makes it "hard to know for sure what their issues are." He testified that J.M. was also
    mentally deficient. His nonverbal IQ was borderline, though, leading him to agree that J.M. would
    likely be better able to negotiate his environment than K.M.
    When asked if he found any personality disorders, Winsted cited that J.M. found it hard to
    make friends, hard to trust others, maintained that he could not count on many people, and did not
    have many close friends. J.M. "manifested what we call sadistic features" on one of the evaluation
    tools. He explained that people with such features often enjoy watching movies in which others
    suffer and may enjoy such in real life. Later, he would explain that the Department took this
    observation out of context when it used that finding as a basis to remove S.M.M. J.M. described
    himself to Winsted as apathetic. Further, Winsted observed that from J.M.'s perspective, he has a
    lot of problems with his children or raising children with lots of problems. As a result, he is likely
    to see his children in a "negative light."
    Winsted testified that it was difficult to conclude whether J.M. would be able to meet
    A.L.M.'s emotional needs. He could not determine whether J.M. was defensive at the evaluation
    because "the stakes were very high" or whether that was his general nature. If it is his general nature
    to be defensive, then it would be difficult for J.M. to meet A.L.M.'s emotional needs. J.M. "could
    probably provide for [the] physical [needs]" of the children. Winsted testified he "would question
    the emotional and mental [needs], though, explaining that those needs would be "a challenge for him
    as well."
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    3.      Dr. Winsted's Conclusions Regarding Parenting
    On cross-examination, Winsted testified that these psychological evaluations provide a
    snapshot of the patient in terms of "emotional" observations, pointing out that cognitive and
    personality observations are more fixed. He testified that with six to nine months of service, a
    patient's intellect would not vary. There can "certainly be some improvements" in personality
    functioning, however. It would take most patients, including K.M. and J.M., a couple of years for
    significant change to occur. Winsted testified that it is in the area of emotional function where the
    most improvement may be seen in the shortest period of time; depression and anxiety can improve
    significantly in a matter of months with cognitive behavior therapy.
    Importantly, following his evaluations, Winsted concluded that K.M. and J.M. could parent
    S.M.M. as long as S.M.M. did not have any "significant medical problems."
    [P]eople that have that [cognitive] function and that level do tend to have some
    struggles or difficulties with raising children and generally do need some kind of
    extra help.
    ....
    The other thing I'd like to say though is the issues, especially with [K.M.], that she's
    struggling with [are] probably going to require in addition to [help from church
    members], which is very important to have a good support community, [are] going
    to require some professional therapeutic intervention as well.
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    4.      Evaluating this Evidence
    Winsted's testimony is sufficient to show that K.M. and J.M. do suffer from a mental
    deficiency. However, it fails to establish by clear and convincing evidence that the parents are
    unable to meet the needs of the children. In fact, with respect to S.M.M., the doctor's testimony
    indicates that in his opinion, K.M. and J.M. can adequately parent him. With respect to A.L.M., the
    doctor's testimony suggests that certain aspects of parenting will be a challenge for the parents.
    Evidence that parenting may be difficult, though, falls short of forming a firm belief or conviction
    that K.M. and J.M. are unable to meet the needs of the children.
    E.      Evidence of Exposure of Children to Alleged Sex Offender and Convicted Sex
    Offender
    Testimony from K.M. and J.M. fails to meet the elevated standard of proof to support
    termination. Likewise, testimony from those associated with the Department and S.M.M.'s foster
    mother fails to establish by clear and convincing evidence that K.M. and J.M. are unable to meet the
    needs of the children. Finally, as we have just seen, Winsted explained that he believed that K.M.
    and J.M. are capable of parenting S.M.M., but may face some challenges meeting the needs of
    A.L.M. Again, recognizing that parenting in general is fraught with challenges, we conclude that
    testimony that certain aspects of parenting may be difficult for a parent is legally insufficient to
    support termination. We are left, then, with the task of evaluating the evidence that K.M. and J.M.
    exposed the children to the accused abuser of B.L.S. and to J.M.'s father, a convicted sex offender.
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    We note that the State relies a great deal on the parents' repeated reliance on family members,
    one who had been accused of sexually abusing the boy's older sister, B.L.S., and another being J.M.'s
    father, a registered sex offender.12 We begin by noting that there is not the slightest evidence of
    abuse of any of the three children at the hands of J.M.'s father, de la Rosa. There is no evidence or
    allegation of Robertson's abuse of A.L.M., and there is no evidence that S.M.M. has ever had any
    contact whatsoever with Robertson. S.M.M. only lived with his mother and father for three months,
    and during that time, they were living with the maternal grandparents and later in their own
    apartment.
    With that, we are left to evaluate evidence of the parents' exposure, several times over a
    number of years, of the oldest child (again, whose relationship is not at issue) to her accused abuser.
    We neither minimize the impact such exposure may have had on the oldest child, nor do we suggest
    that such exposure would not have an impact on a younger sibling. Again, we point out that this is
    not a case in which we focus on endangerment under Section 161.001 in which exposure of B.L.S.
    to abuse may serve as evidence that the parents endangered the younger children. See In re A.S., 
    261 S.W.3d 76
    , 88 (Tex. App.—Houston [14th Dist.] 2008, pet. denied); In re K.A.S., 
    131 S.W.3d 215
    ,
    12
    The Department seems to emphasize the parents' decision to live with Robertson and with
    de la Rosa, characterizing them both as sexual predators. It is important to note that J.M. did not
    grow up around his father and was told that he went to jail for DWI when, in fact, it appears that he
    was incarcerated after being convicted of sexual abuse of a daughter. J.M. found this out during the
    Department's investigation, and, after he learned of the sex offense conviction, the family did not live
    with de la Rosa again. So, it appears the family did not know of de la Rosa's sexual abuse history.
    Moreover, there is no evidence that de la Rosa abused or attempted any abuse as to any of the
    children at issue here. S.M.M. never lived with de la Rosa.
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    222 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 2004, pet. denied). In the endangerment cases, the decision to
    terminate the parent-child relationship does not require that the endangering conduct be directed
    toward the child, but it does require that it be committed in the presence of the child. 
    A.S., 261 S.W.3d at 88
    .
    Here, we must look at the parents' overall failure to provide for the needs of the children at
    issue.
    In affirming termination under Section 161.003, the Salas court mentioned that along with
    a wealth of other supporting evidence, the mother was unable to prevent the sexual and physical
    abuse of her children. See 
    Salas, 71 S.W.3d at 790
    . So, while we recognize that prevention of abuse
    may be a consideration here, with respect to A.L.M. and S.M.M., we have no evidence that the
    parents failed to prevent abuse. S.M.M. was born January 11, 2008, and the Department removed
    him from the home less than three months later. So the record shows S.M.M. was not born when
    the family lived with or near any abuser or offender. Nothing in the record suggests that A.L.M. or
    S.M.M. experienced sexual or physical abuse. There was no evidence in the instant case, or even
    any allegation, that A.L.M. or S.M.M. experienced any abuse.
    Section 161.003 of the Texas Family Code requires more than a finding of mental deficiency.
    That is, we are called on to decide by clear and convincing evidence that because the parents were
    mentally deficient, they were unable to prevent exposing their oldest child to the family member she
    accused of sexually abusing her and that such evidence supports a finding that the parents are now
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    rendered unable to provide for the physical, emotional, and mental needs of the children. This is a
    difficult matter to prove since it first requires proof that the exposure to sexual abuse of the older
    child was not mere negligence, inattention, or poor parenting, but that it happened because the
    parents were mentally deficient. Upon making that linkage, there must also be evidence to support
    a determination that the parents' mental deficiencies exclude them from now and in the future
    providing for their children. It is theoretically possible that a parent's mental deficiency might
    indirectly cause abuse of a child—generally expert testimony is presented to make that connection.
    M.F.G. v. Dep't of Children & Families, 
    723 So. 2d 290
    , 292 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 3d Dist. 1998)
    (based on expert testimony and D.H.G.'s own incoherent responses, trial court found by clear and
    convincing evidence D.H.G. suffered from severe and chronic mental disorder and that she was
    unable to provide reasonable care for her children); In re N.F., 
    533 N.E.2d 952
    (Ill. App. Ct. 2d Dist.
    1989) (court relied on psychiatrist's testimony that mother could not independently parent her child).
    A primary reason for allowing an expert to give opinion testimony is to make a causal connection
    between the act or event and the resulting damage or injury. Causal connection must rest in
    reasonable probabilities; otherwise, the inference that such actually did occur can be no more than
    speculation and conjecture. Ins. Co. of N. Am. v. Myers, 
    411 S.W.2d 710
    , 713 (Tex. 1966). Here,
    Winsted's testimony, previously summarized, does not opine that the parents' mental deficiencies
    render the parents unable to provide for the physical, emotional, and mental needs of the children.
    In fact, in February 2008, after his psychological evaluation was completed, Winsted expressed the
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    opinion at a staff meeting that K.M. and J.M. could parent S.M.M.13 While we are not holding that
    expert testimony is always essential in a termination case of this sort, the other evidence in this case
    consists primarily of conclusory statements by lay witnesses.14
    Here, there is some evidence that the parents were unsure whether the abuse ever happened,
    especially initially when the Department's investigation suggested that it did not. Further, even after
    they began to believe the allegations, financial situations "[l]eft them no choice but to rely on family
    for shelter." Certainly, we cannot say that financial difficulties are the equivalent of mental
    13
    Winsted testified that his opinion was contingent on the parents' continued participation in
    services. As described in a later footnote, the parents participated in the services offered.
    14
    The other primary testimony was offered by McMillan, a caseworker whose testimony has
    been previously summarized. McMillan testified about the service plan established with K.M. and
    J.M. Generally, her testimony was that K.M. and J.M. complied with the plan. The testimony
    showed that the parents attended required parenting classes and had a safe and appropriate home.
    However, McMillan volunteered that a suitable house was not relevant because "if they can't protect
    their children, then there is no need to look at the house . . . in my opinion." Other parts of the plan
    completed were furnishing a health and social history of the children, and attending counseling. In
    May 2008, the Department transferred the counseling to Winsted, and K.M. and J.M. attended
    sessions in June and August (this hearing was September 29, 2008). McMillan was critical because
    they had not attended more counseling sessions. Counseling was changed to Winsted because the
    previous counselor "did not want the liability" of leaving the infant S.M.M. with his parents. This
    concern was one of the reasons S.M.M. was then removed. Drug usage was never a problem, as
    verified by drug testing. After S.M.M. was removed in March 2008, the goal of the Department was
    to see if the parents could demonstrate the ability to parent so the "children could be returned to
    them." But McMillan said instead they showed a "complete lack of parenting skills." Examples of
    this were the pineapple juice incident and having to redirect K.M. to hold a baby bottle correctly.
    Finally, she concluded they put themselves ahead of the children because they had cigarettes, but did
    not buy the children kiddy meals and because of the dispute about watching Barney on television.
    Needless to say, none of this evidence approaches the high standard of proof required to terminate
    the parental rights of the parents.
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    deficiency or that the record shows the parents' mental deficiencies were the direct cause of their
    financial difficulties.
    There is no evidence that the parents continued to expose the oldest child to an environment
    in which her accused abuser was living because of their mental deficiencies. That is, nothing in the
    record would prove their mental deficiencies were the reason for their decision to bring B.L.S. into
    the household where Robertson was living. K.M. and J.M. admit that it was a mistake. It was an
    instance in which the parents did not meet the needs of their children, especially as to B.L.S. But
    there is no evidence that due to their mental deficiencies, they were unable to meet the needs of the
    children, only that with respect to this situation they failed to do so. Regarding A.L.M. and S.M.M.,
    the evidence does not suggest that contact with Robertson, the alleged abuser, in any way
    compromised their need for safety and protection. No allegations were made that either son was
    abused. Further, there is no evidence the family had contact with Robertson after S.M.M. was born.
    We find there is not sufficient evidence to allow a trier of fact to reasonably form a firm
    belief or conviction about the truth of the allegations concerning the termination of parental rights.
    IV.     CONSERVATORSHIP
    The trial court also appointed the Department as the managing conservator of A.L.M. and
    S.M.M. The remaining question is whether that order continues to control independent of the
    termination decision or if the reversal of the termination order necessarily requires reversal of the
    conservatorship decree.
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    The Texas Supreme Court has spoken on this matter very recently. The first case addressed
    was In re J.A.J., 
    243 S.W.3d 611
    (Tex. 2007). In that case, an order terminating the parents' rights
    was reversed, and even though the parent did not raise an issue regarding the conservatorship
    appointment, the Texas court of appeals reversed the order appointing the Department as managing
    conservator. The Texas Supreme Court held that the Department had pled and the trial court had
    found a ground for the conservatorship order that was independent from the termination order and
    reversed the court of appeals.15
    The next year, the Texas Supreme Court addressed another termination case, but in this
    instance, there was no independent ground for the appointment of a managing conservator. The
    appointment was made pursuant to Section 161.207 of the Texas Family Code, which requires the
    appointment of a managing conservator when a termination of parental rights is granted. Since there
    was no other ground for the conservatorship order, it was subsumed in the appeal of the parental
    rights termination order and reversal of the termination necessarily required reversal of the
    conservatorship award. In re D.N.C., 
    252 S.W.3d 317
    , 319 (Tex. 2008).
    In this case, the Department pled that it be named as the managing conservator "pursuant to
    Sections 153.005 and 263.404, Texas Family Code . . . ." Section 153.005 defines the parties
    authorized to be appointed as managing conservators ("a parent, a competent adult, an authorized
    15
    The Texas Supreme Court held that the Department requested conservatorship based on
    Section 153.131(a) of the Texas Family Code. The trial court specifically found that the
    appointment of the parents would significantly impair the child's physical health or emotional
    development as required by this section.
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    agency, or a licensed child-placing agency"). Section 263.404 has been held to apply only when the
    trial court does not order termination of the parent-child relationship, and has no application when
    the parental rights have been terminated. 
    J.A.J., 243 S.W.3d at 615
    . Furthermore, the trial court,
    in appointing the Department as managing conservator, did not find any grounds for the
    conservatorship independent of the termination. Since the court terminated the parental rights,
    Section 263.404 did not apply and the court was required to appoint the managing conservator in
    accordance with Section 161.007, due to the termination. Here, like D.N.C., the conservatorship
    issue was subsumed with the termination issue and there was no independent ground for
    conservatorship.16 Consequently, the appointment of the Department as managing conservator is
    reversed.
    The effect of our judgment will reverse the order of termination and therefore invokes
    another section of the Texas Family Code. When an order of termination is denied, the trial court
    is to "render any order in the best interest of the child." TEX . FAM . CODE ANN . § 161.205 (Vernon
    16
    In re A.S., 
    261 S.W.3d 76
    , 92 (Tex. App.—Houston [14th Dist.] 2008, pet. ref'd). In a case
    where the Department used precisely the same language as found here for the grounds for
    conservatorship ("pursuant to Sections 153.005 and 263.404") and also alleged Section 153.131
    grounds (appointment of parent would significantly impair child's physical health or emotional
    development), but the trial court failed to make such findings, the Houston Fourteenth Court found
    the conservatorship order was based solely on the termination order and with its demise, the
    conservatorship order necessarily was reversed. Here, the Department did not allege Section
    153.131 as grounds for conservatorship, and the trial court found none.
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    2008). An appellate court reviewing a matter months later is not equipped to know if circumstances
    of the parents or the children have changed since the trial court entered its order. Such a
    determination requires a fact-finder. Therefore, we remand the case to the trial court for the limited
    purpose of rendering an order, consistent with Section 161.205 of the Texas Family Code. 
    A.S., 261 S.W.3d at 93
    .
    V.     CONCLUSION
    The record reveals that K.M. and J.M. may have made certain parental missteps, especially
    with respect to B.L.S. Assuming without deciding that those missteps could serve as a failure to
    meet the needs of the two younger children, we nonetheless conclude that none of those missteps is
    directly linked to the parents' mental deficiencies. That is, the evidence is not clear and convincing
    that as a result of their mental deficiencies, K.M. and J.M. are unable to meet the needs of the two
    younger children. We are mindful that the evidence must be clear and convincing to terminate
    parental rights, rights characterized as "far more precious than any property right." Santosky v.
    Kramer, 
    455 U.S. 745
    , 758–59 (1982); see Holick v. Smith, 
    685 S.W.2d 18
    , 20 (Tex. 1985).
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    Having concluded that the evidence is legally insufficient to support termination based on
    Section 161.003,17 we reverse the trial court's judgment and render judgment denying the
    Department's petition seeking termination of K.M.'s and J.M.'s parental rights to A.L.M. and S.M.M.
    Further, for the reasons expressed, the appointment of the Department as managing conservator is
    reversed, and the case is remanded to the trial court to proceed pursuant to Section 161.205 of the
    Texas Family Code.
    Jack Carter
    Justice
    Date Submitted:        August 5, 2009
    Date Decided:          November 20, 2009
    17
    The Department has requested that if the evidence is found to be legally insufficient, this
    Court modify the judgment to find termination on either Section 161.001(1)(D) or (E), relating to
    endangering conditions and endangering conduct, respectively. We may not grant such relief. See
    In re J.R.S., 
    232 S.W.3d 278
    , 285 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 2007, no pet.); Vasquez v. Tex. Dep't of
    Protective & Regulatory Servs., 
    190 S.W.3d 189
    , 194 (Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 2005, pet.
    denied).
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