State v. Trey M. ( 2016 )


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    IN CLERKS OFFICE
    SUSAN L. CARLSON
    SUPREME COURT CLERK
    IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON
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    MADSEN,      C.J.~Juvenile      defendant Trey M. seeks reversal of his three
    convictions for felony harassment under RCW 9A.46.020 (discussed below). The
    primary issue, as certified from Court of Appeals, Division Three, to this court, is
    whether the Supreme Court's decision in Elonis v. United States,_ U.S._, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    , 
    192 L. Ed. 2d 1
     (2015), has any impact on this court's objective test (i.e.,
    reasonable person standard) for what constitutes a "true threat" under the First
    Amendment to the United States Constitution. We hold that because Elonis expressly
    avoids any First Amendment analysis, it provides no basis for this court to abandon its
    established First Amendment precedent. 1 We affirm.
    1
    Other issues include whether Trey's statements to his therapist and police amount to a true
    threat and whether sufficient evidence supports his convictions.
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    FACTS
    Trey was a high school student at Naches Valley High School at the time of the
    incident that led to his arrest. At that time, Trey was in counseling with Mark Heeringa,
    addressing issues stemming from Trey's early childhood history of abuse and neglect.
    Trey had been in counseling since he was five years old, and had received regularly
    scheduled counseling from Heeringa for the past two years. During a counseling session
    on October 7, 2014, Trey was upset because three boys had teased him at school. Trey
    told Heeringa that he thought about taking a gun to school and shooting the boys. He
    also said he wanted to kill them and for them to know the pain that he felt. He described
    a specific plan to shoot the three boys and then himself. First, he would get a gun from
    his grandfather's gun safe and shoot one boy at the boy's house before school. He would
    then go to the school and shoot the other two boys and end by shooting himself. He told
    his counselor that if he couldn't get access to firearms, he would use bombs against the
    boys.
    Heeringa noticed a change in Trey's mood and demeanor as he made these
    statements. Specifically, Heeringa testified that Trey was angry, gesturing, short in his
    speech, and raising his voice at the time. Heeringa asked Trey, "'[D]oesn't this seem
    wrong?"' 1 Report of Proceedings (RP) (Dec. 8, 2014) at 20. Trey replied, '"Who can
    say?"' !d. Heeringa took the threats seriously and contacted law enforcement.
    At trial, Heeringa testified that this was not the first time Trey had threatened to
    kill someone, explaining that Trey had previously talked about killing others, including
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    Trey's grandfather. Trey had also previously talked about committing suicide and had
    described various ways he would kill himself.
    Deputy William Boyer of the Yakima County Sheriff's Office met with Trey and
    asked him to explain what he said and what he would do. Deputy Boyer described his
    conversation with Trey as follows:
    He told me that he had talked to his counselor and told his counselor that he
    had thought about and was thinking about killing other students at the
    Naches [high] school. And so I asked him how he would go about doing
    that. He indicated to me that he would either find the key to the gun
    cabinet or he would use an ax and break the door open to the gun cabinet.
    It's not a gun cabinet, but it's a closet where the guns are kept locked up.
    He would then take the 9 millimeter pistol of his grandpa's, and he
    would go to his friend's house who lives in the near area and kill him first.
    He would then ride the bus into ... Naches [high school]like normal. He
    would then wait at school until the other students were at lunch or everyone
    was in the cafeteria because that's when the-- there would be the gathering
    of the individuals he wanted to shoot, at which point he said that he would
    shoot them and then he would shoot himself.
    I d. at 54. Deputy Boyer testified that Trey said all of this methodically and without
    emotion. Trey explained to the deputy that he would use a 9 mm pistol because he could
    conceal it. Trey also confessed to making 15 or 16 small bombs.
    Another sheriff's officer, Detective Sergeant Mike Russell, contacted the principal
    of Naches Valley High School, Richard Rouleau. Principal Rouleau confirmed a report
    that Trey was being harassed or bullied at school. Trey had also recently been suspended
    from school and was upset over the suspension.
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    The State charged Trey with three counts of felony harassment2 in violation of
    RCW 9A.46.020(1)(a)(i), (b), (2)(b). Victim E.D. testified at trial, stating that when he
    learned of Trey's "hit list," he was really scared at first. RP at 87, 91. He testified that he
    was scared that his life could have been taken. He felt relieved after he learned that Trey
    was in custody. At the time of trial, he testified that he was still a little scared but
    "relieved that [Trey]'s in custody." Id. at 90.
    Another victim, W.B., testified that after learning he was on Trey's "hit list," he
    was scared and really shaking. !d. at 97, 105-07. He told his dad he "was threatened"
    and that he was scared. Id. at 106. At trial, he testified that he was still a little scared.
    He also testified that he knew Trey had talked about harming himself before and had
    even made a noose at one point.
    The third victim, G.C., testified that he got a text from his friend, W.B., telling
    him about the "hit list." Id. at 118, 120. G.C. said that he was "scared" and "freaked
    out" at first. !d. at 120. G.C. was at home sick at the time. G.C. thought that if he had
    been at school, the plan might have been carried through. He testified that made him
    scared and frightened.
    Trey was convicted of three counts of felony harassment and appealed these
    convictions.
    Trey filed an opening brief in Division Three, seeking reversal of his convictions
    and dismissal of all charges and arguing that ( 1) the State presented insufficient evidence
    2
    Trey was also charged with one count of threats to bomb property, for which he was found not
    guilty.
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    to prove felony harassment under RCW 9A.46.020 and (2) his convictions violated the
    First Amendment because they were not true threats under either the reasonable speaker
    standard articulated in State v. Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d 36
    , 
    84 P.3d 1215
     (2004), or the
    subjective intent standard addressed in Virginia v. Black, 
    538 U.S. 343
    , 
    123 S. Ct. 1536
    ,
    
    155 L. Ed. 2d 535
     (2003). The State responded, contending that the evidence was
    sufficient, that Washington's objective true threat test was met, and that Black is
    distinguishable.
    In the meantime, the Supreme Court issued its decision in Elonis, interpreting the
    federal crime of transmitting in interstate commerce "'any communication containing any
    threat ... to injure the person of another."' 
    135 S. Ct. at 2008
     (quoting 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c)). The Court reversed defendant's convictions, holding that conviction under the
    federal statute would require a showing that defendant intended to issue threats or knew
    that his communications would be viewed as threats. 
    Id. at 2012
    .
    Trey filed a reply brief adding citation to Elonis, contending that case is
    "persuasive authority" for the proposition that Trey's convictions are invalid. Reply Br.
    of Appellant at 20. Amicus American Civil Liberties Union of Washington (ACLU) also
    filed a brief, asserting that Washington's objective reasonable speaker test is inconsistent
    with Elonis.
    The Division Three chief judge issued an order of certification transferring the
    case to this court to determine the issue of "whether ... Elonis v. United States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    , 
    192 L. Ed. 2d 1
     (2015), requires Washington to change its construction of the
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    harassment statute from an objective person standard to a subjective intent standard."
    Order of Certification, State v. Trey M., No. 32981-0-III (Wash. Ct. App. Dec. 7, 2015).
    This court's commissioner issued a ruling that accepted certification, transferred the case
    to this court for determination on the merits, and directed the parties to file "a
    supplemental brief addressing the issue identified in the order of certification regarding
    the impact, if any, of Elonis v. United States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    , 
    192 L. Ed. 2d 1
     (2015), on
    this court's precedent adopting an objective test for what constitutes a 'true threat' that is
    not protected speech." Ruling Accepting Certification, State v. Trey M., No. 92593-3
    (Wash. Dec. 16, 2015). The parties and amicus ACLU filed supplemental briefs. We
    now address the certified question and Trey's challenges to his convictions.
    ANALYSIS
    (1) We decline to abandon this court's precedent applying an objective test for
    what constitutes a tme threat under the First Amendment3
    Appellant was convicted on three counts of felony harassment (threat to kill) under
    RCW 9A.46.020(1)(a)(i) and (b). 4 Because the certified question-which concerns
    3
    The parties were directed to submit supplemental briefing on the impact of Elonis on this
    court's First Amendment true threat precedent. While appellant's and amicus's supplemental
    briefs do address Elonis, they primarily argue that this court should adopt a subjective test based
    on Black.
    4 The harassment statute provides in relevant part:
    A person is guilty of harassment if ... [w]ithout lawful authority, the person
    lmowingly threatens ... [t]o cause bodily injury immediately or in the future to
    the person threatened or to any other person; ... [and] [t]he person by words or
    conduct places the person threatened in reasonable fear that the threat will be
    carried out.
    RCW 9A.46.020(1)(a)(i), (b). Conviction for harassment "under subsection (l)(a)(i) of this
    section by threatening to kill the person threatened or any other person" is a class C felony.
    RCW 9A.46.020(2)(b)(ii).
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    appropriate standards for true threats under the First Amendment-will affect how the
    harassment statute is applied, we address that issue first.
    Appellant and amicus ACLU ask this court to overrule State v. Williams, 
    144 Wn.2d 197
    , 207-08, 
    26 P.3d 890
     (2001), which adopted our state's objective (reasonable
    person) test for what constitutes a true threat, and hold instead that Washington's true
    threat test requires subjective intent to threaten. Amicus contends that by doing so, this
    court would make our state law "consistent with" Black and Elonis. Br. of Amicus
    Curiae ACLU at 1. Appellant echoes these contentions, asserting that Black is "binding
    authority" that "compels a subjective-intent standard" concerning any First Amendment
    true threat inquiry. Appellants's Suppl. Br. on Certified Issue at 13. For the reasons
    discussed below, we find that neither case so requires and decline to abandon our settled
    precedent. This court "will not abandon precedent unless it is determined to be incorrect
    and harmful." Rose v. Anderson Hay & Grain Co., 
    184 Wn.2d 268
    , 282, 
    358 P.3d 1139
    (2015); see also In re Rights of Waters of Stranger Creek, 
    77 Wn.2d 649
    ,653, 
    466 P.2d 508
     (1970) ("The doctrine [of stare decisis] requires a clear showing that an established
    rule is incorrect and harmful before it is abandoned.").
    Williams and Its Progeny
    In Williams, this court also addressed a challenge to a conviction under
    Washington's harassment statute. We aclmowledged that RCW 9A.46.020 "criminalizes
    a form of pure speech: threats," and that "'a statute[,] ... which makes criminal a form of
    pure speech, must be interpreted with the commands of the First Amendment clearly in
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    mind.'" Williams, 
    144 Wn.2d at 206-07
     (alterations in original) (quoting Watts v. United
    States, 
    394 U.S. 705
    , 707, 
    89 S. Ct. 1399
    , 
    22 L. Ed. 2d 664
     (1969)). Noting that the
    Supreme Court had permitted restrictions on the content of speech in a few limited areas,
    such as '"fighting words'" and "true threats," and observing that "true threats must be
    distinguished from threats that constitute protected speech," this court adopted the
    following definition:
    "A 'true threat' is a statement made 'in a context or under such
    circumstances wherein a reasonable person would foresee that the statement
    would be interpreted ... as a serious expression of intention to inflict
    bodily harm upon or to take the life of [another individual]. "' State v.
    Knowles, 
    91 Wn. App. 367
    , 373, 
    957 P.2d 797
     (1998) (alteration[s] in
    original) (quoting United States v. Khorrami, 895 F .2d 1186, 1192 (7th
    Cir.1990)).
    Id. at 207-08 (quoting Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 
    315 U.S. 568
    , 572, 
    62 S. Ct. 766
    ,
    
    86 L. Ed. 1041
     (1942)). This court has consistently relied on the objective (reasonable
    person) test since its adoption in Williams. See, e.g., State v. J.M, 
    144 Wn.2d 472
    ,477-
    78,
    28 P.3d 720
     (2001) (quoting the Williams test); Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d at 43
     (same);
    State v. Johnston, 
    156 Wn.2d 355
    , 361, 
    127 P.3d 707
     (2006) (same); State v. Schafer, 
    169 Wn.2d 274
    , 283, 
    236 P.3d 858
     (2010) (same); State v. Allen, 
    176 Wn.2d 611
    , 626, 
    294 P.3d 679
     (2013) (plurality opinion) (same); State v. France, 
    180 Wn.2d 809
    , 818, 
    329 P.3d 864
     (2014) (same).
    Notably, in Kilburn this court rejected the same request that appellant and amicus
    make here-to abandon Williams in favor of a subjective intent test. The Kilburn
    decision reiterated the Williams test and further explained that"[ a] true threat is a serious
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    threat, not one said in jest, idle talk, or political argument" and "whether a true threat has
    been made is determined under an objective standard that focuses on the speaker."
    Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d at 43-44
    . Further, "[w]heth'er a statement is a true threat or a joke is
    determined in light of the entire context, and the relevant question is whether a
    reasonable person in the defendant's place would foresee that in context the listener
    would interpret the statement as a serious threat or a joke." !d. at 46. The Kilburn court
    held that "the First Amendment does not require that the speaker actually intend to carry
    out the threat in order for a communication to constitute a true threat, and that the State
    need not prove such intent." !d. at 48. Kilburn further explained,
    [T]he harassment statute itself does require a mental element. The statute
    requires that the defendant "knowingly threatens .... " RCW
    9A.46.020(1 )(a)(i). This means that "the defendant must subjectively know
    that he or she is communicating a threat, and must know that the
    communication he or she imparts directly or indirectly is a threat to cause
    bodily injury to the person threatened or to another person." JM., 144
    Wn.2d at 481. Thus, one who writes a threat in a personal diary or mutters
    a threat unaware that it might be heard does not knowingly threaten. I d.
    The statute does not require that the State prove that the speaker intended to
    actually carry out the threat.
    Id. (alteration in original).
    United States v. Elonis
    Appellant argues that in compliance with the Supreme Court's recent decision in
    Elonis, this court should set aside his harassment conviction under RCW 9A.46.020. We
    disagree. In Elonis, the Court addressed the mens rea required for violating 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) (interstate communication containing threat to injure). We find the Supreme
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    Court's decision in Elonis is inapplicable to appellant's conviction under the Washington
    harassment statute.
    In Elonis, the defendant created and posted on Facebook his own purported rap
    lyrics addressing killing his ex-wife and harming others, while asserting that such
    comments were '"therapeutic."' Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2004-07
     (quoting United States v.
    Elonis, 
    730 F.3d 321
    , 329 (3d Cir. 2013), rev'd, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    ). The Court articulated
    the issue as "whether [
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c)] requires that the defendant be aware of the
    threatening nature of the communication, and-if not-whether the First Amendment
    requires such a showing." !d. at 2004. The federal statute at issue contained no mens rea
    element. !d. at 2008. Relying on the construction that "'wrongdoing must be conscious
    to be criminal,"' 
    id. at 2009
     (quoting Morissette v. United States, 
    342 U.S. 246
    , 252, 
    72 S. Ct. 240
    , 
    96 L. Ed. 288
     (1942)), the Court held that defendant's conviction was
    improperly premised (as instructed) "solely on how his posts would be understood by a
    reasonable person." !d. at 2011. The Court reversed defendant's convictions, holding
    that conviction tmder the federal statute would require a showing that defendant intended
    to issue threats or knew that his cormnunications would be viewed as threats. !d. at 2012.
    The Court expressly did not reach any First Amendment issues. !d.
    As an initial matter, Elonis is a case of statutory construction, and, as such, it is
    limited to the federal statute that it addressed, 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c); see, e.g., United States
    v. Kirsch, 
    151 F. Supp. 3d 311
    , 317 (2015) ("No case reported thus far extends Elonis's
    holding beyond [18 U.S.C.] § 875(c)."). As the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has
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    explained, "[I]mportantly, the Court's holding in Elonis was purely statutory; and, having
    resolved the [case] on statutory grounds, the Court declined to address whether a similar
    subjective intent to threaten is a necessary component of a 'true threat' for purposes of
    the First Amendment." United States v. White, 
    810 F.3d 212
    , 220 (4th Cir. 2016), cert.
    denied, 
    136 S. Ct. 1833
     (2016); 5 see also Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2012
     ("Given our
    disposition, it is not necessary to consider any First Amendment issues.").
    Further, in Elonis, the federal criminal statute that the Supreme Court was faced
    with, 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c), criminalized communicating a threat through interstate
    commerce but was silent on the mens rea required to commit the offense. 6 The Court
    stated that when a federal statute is silent on the scienter needed to commit the offense,
    5
    The Fourth Circuit held that "Elonis does not affect our constitutional rule that a 'true threat' is
    one that a reasonable recipient familiar with the context would interpret as a serious expression
    of an intent to do harm." White, 810 F.3d at 220. The Fourth Circuit explained the effect of
    Elonis on application of 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    ( c) noting that after Elonis a conviction pursuant to 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) now requires both a subjectively intended threat and an objectively real threat:
    That is [conviction under 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) requires]: (1) that the defendant
    knowingly transmitted a communication in interstate or foreign commerce; (2)
    that the defendant subjectively intended the communication as a threat; and (3)
    that the content of the communication contained a "true threat" to kidnap or
    injure. To prove the second element, the Government, consistent with Elonis,
    must establish that the defendant transmitted the communication "for the purpose
    of issuing a threat, or with knowledge that the communication will be viewed as a
    threat[.]" ... See Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2012-13
    . And to establish the third
    element ... the prosecution must show that an ordinary, reasonable recipient who
    is familiar with the context in which the statement is made would interpret it as a
    serious expression of an intent to do harm.
    !d. at 220-21 (emphasis added). Similarly, the Washington harassment statute (without any
    additions) requires both subjective and objective mental elements: the speaker must "knowingly
    threaten[]," and the fear of the person threatened must be objectively "reasonable." RCW
    9A.46.020(1)(a)(i), (b).
    6
    
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) provides, "Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any
    communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of
    another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."
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    and a scienter requirement is needed to separate wrongful from innocent conduct, the
    mens rea required to commit the offense must be greater than simple negligence. Elonis,
    
    135 S. Ct. at 2010
    . "When interpreting federal criminal statutes that are silent on the
    required mental state, we read into the statute 'only that mens rea which is necessary to
    separate wrongful conduct from otherwise innocent conduct."' 
    Id.
     (internal quotation
    marks omitted) (quoting Carter v. United States, 
    530 U.S. 255
    , 269, 
    120 S. Ct. 2159
    , 
    147 L. Ed. 2d 203
     (2000)).
    Importantly, Elonis did not mandate a scienter requirement for all offenses.
    Rather, Elonis creates a gap-filling mle that stands for the '"presumption'" of a scienter
    requirement when the federal offense is otherwise silent. !d. at 2010-11 (quoting Carter
    v. United States, 
    530 U.S. 255
    ,269, 
    120 S. Ct. 2159
    , 
    147 L. Ed. 2d 203
     (2000)). Here,
    the Washington harassment statute is not silent as to mental states; it requires a specific
    mens rea, providing in relevant part:
    A person is guilty of harassment if ... [w]ithoutlawful authority, the
    person knowingly threatens . .. [t]o cause bodily injury immediately or in
    the future to the person threatened or to any other person; ... [and] [t]he
    person by words or conduct places the person threatened in reasonable fear
    that the threat will be carried out.
    RCW 9A.46.020(l)(a)(i), (b) (emphasis added). As can be seen, the above quoted
    language requires both subjective and objective mental elements: the speaker must
    "knowingly threaten" and the fear of the person threatened must be objectively
    "reasonable." Because this is not a circumstance where the offense is silent on the mens
    rea, there is no gap for Elonis to fill. See United States v. Rapert, 
    75 M.J. 164
    , 168
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    (C.A.A.F. 2016) (because "the infirmities found in 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) [i.e., absence of
    mens rea] are not replicated" in the provision in question, this "places the case at bar
    beyond the reach of Elonis"); United States v. Ulibarri, 
    115 F. Supp. 3d 1308
    , 1333
    (D.N.M. 2015) ("Unlike [18 U.S.C.] § 875(c), [the provision in question] already
    contains a mens rea requirement. ... [Accordingly, b]ecause [the provision in question]
    already 'separate[s] wrongful conduct from otherwise innocent conduct,' Elonis v. United
    States, 
    135 S.Ct. at 2011
    , an additional mens rea requirement is unnecessary." (sixth
    alteration in original)); see also People v. Murillo, 
    238 Cal. App. 4th 1122
    , 1129, 
    190 Cal. Rptr. 3d 119
     (2015) (noting Elonis does not affect the California appellate court's
    interpretation of the California statute punishing threats to witnesses, crime victims, or
    other persons), review denied, No. S228704 (Cal. Oct. 14, 2015); State v. Gore, 
    101 Wn.2d 481
    , 486-87, 
    681 P.2d 227
     (1984) ("While the Supreme Court's interpretation of a
    similar federal statute is persuasive authority, it is not controlling in our interpretation of
    a state statute."). 7
    Finally, in Elonis the "jury was instructed that the Government need prove only
    that a reasonable person would regard Elonis's connnunications as threats." Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2012
    . The Court found such instruction to be error because "[flederal criminal
    7
    Elonis's limitations are noted in the following law review articles. SeeP. Brooks Fuller, The
    Angry Pamphleteer: True Threats, Political Speech, and Applying Watts v. United States in the
    Age of Twitter, 21 COMM. L. & POL'Y 87, 90-91 (2016) (''The Court in Elonis did not reach [any]
    First Amendment issue, and instead focused on [interpreting] the federal [threat] statute" at issue;
    thus, "the Court failed to clarify the practical boundary between protected speech and
    unprotected true threats."); see also Federal Threats Statute-Mens Rea and the First
    Amendment-Elonis v. United States, 129 HARV. L. REV. 331,336 (2015) ("BecauseElonis was
    decided on stah1tory grounds, 'true threats' remain a doctrinal puzzle for lower courts.").
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    liability generally does not tmn solely on the results of an act without considering the
    defendant's mental state." 
    Id.
     The Court acknowledged that such consideration of
    required mental state "is satisfied if the defendant transmits a connnunication for the
    purpose of issuing a threat, or with knowledge that the communication will be viewed as a
    threat." I d. (emphasis added). Here, as noted, the Washington harassment statute
    requires the State to prove that the defendant "knowingly threaten[ ed]." RCW
    9A.46.020(1)(a). Because the required mental element in the Washington harassment
    statute is the same mental state acknowledged in Elonis as sufficient, appellant and
    amicus do not convince that Elonis impacts the present case.
    Virginia v. Black
    Appellant maintains that his convictions are invalid under Black. He argues that
    "[b]ecause there was no evidence that Trey made the statements to his therapist with the
    intent to intimidate the boys, the convictions violate the First Amendment under Black."
    Reply Br. of Appellant at 18 (emphasis added); see also Br. of Appellant at 28 (same);
    Appellant's Suppl. Br. on Certified Issue at 4. For the reasons noted here, appellant's
    reliance on Black is misplaced. While the state statute at issue in Black prohibited "cross
    bmning with 'an intent to intimidate a person or group of persons,"' Black, 
    538 U.S. at 347
     (quoting VA. CODE ANN. § 18.2-423), the "intent to intimidate" element was a state
    statutory requirement. It was a part of the given context of the Supreme Court's First
    Amendment inquiry in Black, but nothing in Black imposes in all cases an "intent to
    intimidate" requirement in order to avoid a First Amendment violation. See Schafer, 169
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    Wn.2d at 287 n.4 (distinguishing Black); see also Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2027
     (Thomas, J.,
    dissenting) (explaining the parameters and limitations of the Black decision).
    Notably, this court has already distinguished Black in Schaler, acknowledging that
    the Supreme Court in Black "upheld a cross burning law without discussing any
    negligence requirement," but this was because "the law at issue in Black required an even
    greater mens rea as to the listener's fear[:] 'Intimidation ... is a type of true threat ...
    where a speaker directs a threat to a person or group of persons with the intent ofplacing
    the victim in fear of bodily harm or death."' Schaler, 
    169 Wn.2d at
    287 n.4 (second and
    third alterations in original) (citation omitted) (quoting Black, 
    538 U.S. at 360
    ). Thus, the
    Schaler majority did not find Black to be germane to its interpretation or application of
    RCW 9A.46.020.
    Justice Thomas's dissent in Elonis also described the parameters of the Black
    decision, further demonstrating how Black is too factually different to offer any guidance
    in the present case. 8 Justice Thomas explained:
    The Court's fractured opinion in Black . .. says little about whether
    an intent-to-threaten requirement is constitutionally mandated .... Black
    concerned a Virginia cross-burning law that expressly required "'an intent
    to intimidate a person or group of persons,"' 
    538 U.S., at 347
    , 
    123 S.Ct. 1536
     (quoting Va.Code Ann.§ 18.2-423 (1996)), and the Court thus had no
    occasion to decide whether such an element was necessary in threat
    8
    While the majority in Elonis did not reach any First Amendment issues and did not mention
    Black, Justice Thomas's dissent did address the First Amendment and discussed the parameters
    and limitations of the Court's decisions in both Black and Watts. Relevant here, Justice Thomas
    explained that "[n]either of those decisions ... addresses whether the First Amendment requires
    a particular mental state for threat prosecutions." Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2026
     (Thomas, J.,
    dissenting). He noted that "Watts expressly declined to address the mental state required under
    the First Amendment for a 'true threat."' 
    Id.
     And he further explained the limitations ofthe
    Black decision as described above. 
    Id.
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    No. 92593-3
    provisions silent on the matter. Moreover, the focus of the Black decision
    was on the statutory presumption that "any cross burning [w ]as prima facie
    evidence of intent to intimidate." 
    538 U.S., at 347-348
    , 
    123 S.Ct. 1536
    . A
    majority of the Court concluded that this presumption failed to distinguish
    unprotected threats from protected speech because it might allow
    convictions "based solely on the fact of cross burning itself," including
    cross burnings in a play or at a political rally. !d., at 365-366, 
    123 S.Ct. 1536
     (plurality opinion); 
    id., at 386
    , 
    123 S.Ct. 1536
     (Souter, J., concurring
    in judgment in part and dissenting in part) ("The provision will thus tend to
    draw nonthreatening ideological expression within the ambit ofthe
    prohibition of intimidating expression[.]").
    Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2027
     (Thomas, J., dissenting) (third alteration in original). Here, the
    Washington harassment statute contains no similar "presumption," the rejection of which
    a majority of the Court in Black agreed on. Otherwise, under federal precedent, the
    fractured plurality decision in Black provides no clear directive that would compel this
    9
    court to abandon its precedent.
    The lead opinion in Black, addressing the intent to intimidate provision of the
    Virginia statute at issue, opined that "[i]ntimidation in the constitutionally proscribable
    sense of the word is a type of true threat, where a speaker directs a threat to a person or
    group of persons with the intent of placing the victim in fear of bodily harm or death."
    
    538 U.S. at 360
    . In this context, the lead opinion observed that'" [t]rue threats'
    9
    See Hertz v. Woodman, 
    218 U.S. 205
    ,213-14,
    30 S. Ct. 621
    , 
    54 L. Ed. 1001
     (1910) ("[T]he
    principles of Jaw involved not having been agreed upon by a majority of the court sitting
    prevents the case from becoming an authority for the determination of other cases, either in [the
    Supreme Court] or in inferior courts."); see also Texas v. Brown, 
    460 U.S. 730
    , 737, 
    103 S. Ct. 1535
    , 
    75 L. Ed.2d 502
     (1983) (stating that plurality view that does not command majority is not
    binding precedent); United States v. Pink, 
    315 U.S. 203
    ,216,
    62 S. Ct. 552
    , 
    86 L. Ed. 796
     (1942)
    ("While it was conclusive and binding upon the parties as respects that controversy, the lack of
    an agreement by a majority of the Court on the principles of law involved prevents it from being
    an authoritative determination for other cases." (citations omitted)). But see In re Det. of Reyes,
    
    184 Wn.2d 340
    , 346, 
    358 P.3d 394
     (2015) ("A principle oflaw reached by a majority of the
    court, even in a fractured opinion, is not considered a plurality but rather binding precedent.").
    16
    No. 92593-3
    encompass those statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious
    expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or
    group of individuals,"and that "[t]he speaker need not actually intend to carry out the
    threat." !d. at 359-60 (emphasis added). Even if this articulation of"true threat" in Black
    were applied in the present case, it would not substantively alter the relevant inquiry here.
    The Washington harassment statute requires the State to prove that defendant "knowingly
    threaten[ed]" to cause bodily injury. RCW 9A.46.020(l)(a)(i). A "threat" is an
    10
    expression of an intention to inflict injury, damage, loss, or harm on another.
    Accordingly, there is no practical difference between showing that the speaker "means to
    communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of violence" and showing
    that the speaker "knowingly threatened." Black does not alter the inquiry here.
    Finally, after Black, there continued to be disagreement among the federal circuit
    courts regarding the appropriate test for determining whether speech rises to the level of a
    true threat. This disagreement stems from the various readings of the Supreme Court's
    opinion in Black. As noted, the Supreme Court declined the opportunity in Elonis to
    address the constitutional question raised by Black. See Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2012
    .
    10
    "Threat," as statutorily defined, "means to communicate, directly or indirectly the intent" to
    "cause bodily injury in the future to the person threatened or to any other person"; or to "cause
    physical damage to the property of a person other than the actor"; or to "do any other act which
    is intended to harm substantially the person threatened or another with respect to his or her
    health, safety, business, financial condition, or personal relationships." RCW 9A.04.110(28)(a),
    (b), G).
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    No. 92593-3
    Given the continuing disagreement and lack of definitive guidance from the Supreme
    11
    Court, it cannot be said that the test this court employs is incorrect and harmful.
    Policy Contentions
    Appellant contends that the facts of Trey's case urge adoption of a subjective
    intent standard. Appellant argues, "A child was convicted of felonies for statements
    made in therapy, even though talking through one's feelings in counseling should be
    encouraged .... [Trey] did exactly what a person should do when having frightening
    thoughts: he was open about his feelings in therapy." Appellant's Suppl. Br. on Certified
    Issue at 16-17. But talking through his feelings with his therapist is not what triggered
    the involvement oflaw enforcement. That resulted from the totality of the circumstances.
    See State v. C. G., 
    150 Wn.2d 604
    , 611, 
    80 P.3d 594
     (2003)(the nature of a threat
    depends on all the facts and circumstances). Trey's statement, combined with his change
    11
    Both appellant and amicus rely on the fact that "several courts" after Black have applied a
    subjective intent standard. See Appellants's Suppl. Br. on Certified Issue at 4 (citing United
    States v. Heineman, 
    767 F.3d 970
     (I Oth Cir. 2014); United States v. Bagdasarian, 
    652 F.3d 1113
    (9th Cir. 2011); Brewington v. State, 
    7 N.E.3d 946
     (Ind. 2014), cert. denied, 
    135 S. Ct. 970
    , 
    190 L. Ed. 2d 834
    , reh 'g denied, 
    135 S. Ct. 1524
    , 
    191 L. Ed. 2d 454
     (2015)); see also Br. of Amicus
    ACLU at 5, 7. But this is the minority view. See, e.g., Heineman, 767 F.3d at 979
    (aclmowledging that "[o]ther circuits have declined to read Black as imposing a subjective-intent
    requirement").
    Appellant further notes that this court followed the Seventh Circuit when it initially
    adopted the objective (reasonable person) standard in Williams, and urges this court to again
    follow the Seventh Circuit decision in United States v. Parr, 
    545 F.3d 491
     (7th Cir. 2008), to
    apply a subjective intent test under Black when assessing a true threat. Appellant's Suppl. Br. on
    Certified Issue at 11-12. But Parr is ambivalent. Parr acknowledged the "objective 'reasonable
    person' test" as the majority rule, that after Black some courts applied a subjective test for true
    threats, that courts disagreed as to whether Black changed the test for true threats, and noted that
    the impact of Black's plurality decision is "unclear." Parr, 
    545 F.3d at 499-500
    . Parr
    determined that it "need not resolve the issue" since the jury was instructed on intent as
    defendant requested. !d. at 500. Parr does not compel application of a subjective intent test as
    appellant suggests.
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    No. 92593-3
    in demeanor, his detailed plan for killing the boys, and his lack of any sense that doing so
    would be wrong convinced his therapist that his threat to kill the boys was serious and
    warranted reporting to law enforcement. As noted, Deputy Boyer separately interviewed
    Trey at length and was also convinced that his threat to kill the boys was serious. As this
    court held in Schaler, whether defendant's statements "were serious threats and that a
    reasonable speaker would so regard them, [or] ... a cry for help from a mentally troubled
    [person], directed toward mental health professionals who could help him" is an
    appropriate question for the fact finder. Schaler, 
    169 Wn.2d at 289-90
    ; see Johnston, 
    156 Wn.2d at 365
     (whether language constitutes a true threat is an issue of fact for the trier of
    fact in the first instance). And as discussed below, the evidence was sufficient to sustain
    Trey's conviction under RCW 9A.46.020.
    Amicus adds that the impetuousness of youth, coupled with the availability of
    social media, support adoption of a subjective standard so as to avoid unnecessary
    convictions of juveniles. Br. of Amicus ACLU at 11-15. Amicus cites to State v.
    Kohonen, 
    192 Wn. App. 567
    , 
    370 P.3d 16
     (2016) as support, but Kohonen demonstrates
    the appropriateness of Washington's reasonable person test in the very context that
    amicus raises. In Kohonen, Court of Appeals, Division One, applied the reasonable
    person standard to reverse a misdemeanor cyberstalking (RCW 9.61.260) conviction of a
    high school student who sent "mean-spirited" tweets about a classmate. 
    Id. at 583
    .
    Division One described the tweets' content as "hyperbolic expressions of frustration,"
    noted that the evidence showed defendant's peers interpreted the tweets as such, and held
    19
    No. 92593-3
    that a reasonable person in defendant's position would not have anticipated that the
    tweets would have been interpreted any differently. 
    Id.
     Therefore, Division One held,
    "[I]nsufficient evidence was presented that the tweets constituted true threats." !d.
    Kohonen supports retention of Washington's reasonable person standard.
    In sum (regarding the supplemental briefing on the certified question), Elonis is
    significant for present purposes in what it does not say. It provides no First Amendment
    true threat analysis. It resolved only how the federal threat statute, 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c), is
    to be statutorily construed and has no application beyond that context. As for Black, the
    most that can be said is that courts remain divided after the Supreme Court's fractured
    decision in that case. Accordingly, appellant and amicus have not shown clear error
    warranting this court's abandonment of its First Amendment precedent.
    (2) Sufficient evidence supports Trey's convictions for felony harassment under
    RCW 9A.46.020
    Appellant contends that the State's evidence was insufficient to prove felony
    harassment under RCW 9A.46.020 for each of his three convictions. "A claim of
    insufficiency admits the truth of the State's evidence and all inferences that reasonably
    can be drawn therefrom." State v. Salinas, 
    119 Wn.2d 192
    ,201, 
    829 P.2d 1068
     (1992).
    Circumstantial evidence and direct evidence carry equal weight when reviewed by an
    appellate court. State v. Goodman, 
    150 Wn.2d 774
    , 781, 
    83 P.3d 410
     (2004). A
    reviewing court defers to the fact finder on issues of conflicting testimony, witness
    credibility, and persuasiveness of the evidence. State v. Rodriquez, 
    187 Wn. App. 922
    ,
    930,
    352 P.3d 200
    , review denied, 
    184 Wn.2d 1011
    ,
    360 P.3d 817
     (2015).
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    No. 92593-3
    This court has explained that the harassment statute
    requires that the perpetrator lmowingly threaten to inflict bodily injury by
    communicating directly or indirectly the intent to inflict bodily injury; the
    person threatened must find out about the threat although the perpetrator
    need not !mow nor should know that the threat will be communicated to the
    victim; and words or conduct of the perpetrator must place the person
    threatened in reasonable fear that the threat will be carried out.
    J.M., 144 Wn.2d at 482. Appellant specifically contends that the evidence did not show
    that the victims feared that any threat to kill would be carried out, that any such fear was
    reasonable, or that such fear was caused by Trey's words or conduct. Br. of Appellant at
    15-21.
    Here, each boy testified that when he heard that he was on Trey's "hit list," he was
    "scared." 1 RP at 87, 91 (E.D.), 97, 105-07 (W.B.), 120-21 (G.C.). That is sufficient.
    As to reasonableness of the fear, appellant argues that because the news of Trey's hit list
    was not available until after he was in custody, any fear that the threat would be carried
    out was not reasonable. But the record shows that each boy heard that he was on the hit
    list before finding out that Trey was in custody. Id. at 94 (E.D), 104-06 (W.B.), 120-21
    (G.C.). Thus, the reasonableness of such fear was a question for the trier of fact in light
    of the total context. Finally, appellant argues that "[n]one of the three alleged victims
    testified that they heard [Trey's] statements, either directly or indirectly." Br. of
    Appellant at 19. But neither direct communication nor conveyance of Trey's exact words
    was required. "The person to whom the threat is communicated may or may not be the
    victim of the threat." J.M., 144 Wn.2d at 488. "[T]he person threatened must find out
    about the threat although the perpetrator need not know nor should know that the threat
    21
    No. 92593-3
    will be communicated to the victim." !d. at 482 (emphasis added). Drawing all
    reasonable inferences in the favor of the State, the evidence was sufficient.
    (3) Trey's statements qualify as true threats under Washington's reasonable
    person test
    Relying on Kilburn, Trey asserts that his statements to his therapist were not true
    threats under Washington's reasonable speaker standard. He argues that in Kilburn, the
    alleged threat-that the speaker would '"bring a gun to school tomorrow and shoot
    everyone'"-was spoken directly to a victim, but still found insufficient. Br. of
    Appellant at 24 (quoting Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d at 39
    ). Appellant argues that here, Trey's
    statements were spoken to his therapist and were "more vague" as to timing than the
    alleged threat in Kilburn. !d. at 25.
    But the outcome in Kilburn turned on the speaker's demeanor. As the student
    spoke the alleged threat to a classmate, he was "half smiling" and "giggling" afterward.
    Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d at 52
    . Also, the victim's history with the speaker showed no basis or
    rationale for the threat. They had known each other for two years and had never had a
    fight or disagreement, and the speaker had "always treated [the victim] nicely." !d. By
    contrast, Trey's demeanor here was not flippant. Trey's therapist testified that he grew
    concerned as Trey's demeanor changed when he talked about killing the boys. Trey had
    a detailed plan, specific targets, and a history with the targets of some teasing and
    conflicts. Trey had been bullied at school and also had been suspended, which had upset
    him.
    22
    No. 92593-3
    Appellant argues that a person in Trey's position-a reasonable teenager making
    statements to his therapist-would not foresee that the statements would be interpreted as
    a serious threat. But here, Trey's change in demeanor when describing his plan to kill the
    boys, the plan's depth of detail, and Trey's failure to acknowledge that shooting the boys
    would be wrong all argue in favor of this being a true threat. Further, Trey repeated his
    plan to kill the boys to Deputy Boyer, who also testified regarding the plan's depth of
    detail, Trey's demeanor, and Trey's absence of misgivings about what he was planning.
    Deputy Boyer testified that he "took it as a very credible threat due to [Trey's] detailed
    plan and the very matter-of-fact nature of how he explained doing it and putting his plan
    into action." 1 RP at 58. Trey told Deputy Boyer, "'I know right and wrong, but I'm
    having a hard time wanting to do the wrong things."' 
    Id. at 66
    .
    Considering the entire context, a reasonable speaker in Trey's place would foresee
    that Trey's statements concerning his plan to kill the boys would be interpreted by a
    listener as a serious expression of intention to inflict bodily harm. In other words, Trey
    uttered a true threat under Washington's objective (reasonable person) test. See Kilburn,
    
    151 Wn.2d at 46
    .
    Finally, while the affirmance of Trey's convictions is compelled for the reasons
    discussed herein, we acknowledge that this case demonstrates the need to explore how
    our criminal justice system responds to juveniles with mental health issues. Knowing
    what we !mow about adolescent brain development, we must find alternative means for
    managing their behavior and providing therapeutic treatment, instead of criminal
    23
    No. 92593-3
    prosecution. Trey M is a juvenile in crisis, and our criminal justice system must find
    ways to provide serious mental health care for such persons while holding them
    accountable rather than simply placing them inside our revolving door criminal justice
    system.
    CONCLUSION
    We reject the invitation of appellant and amicus to abandon this court's settled
    precedent, which applies an objective (reasonable person) test in determining a true threat
    for First Amendment purposes. Appellant does not convince us that either the Supreme
    Court's recent decision in Elonis or its previous decision in Black require such a change.
    Under Washington's objective (reasonable person) test, the trial court correctly
    determined that the statements at issue here were true threats and that sufficient evidence
    supports appellant's convictions. We affirm appellant's conviction for three counts of
    felony harassment under RCW 9A.46.020.
    24
    No. 92593-3
    WE CONCUR:
    c             )
    25
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    No. 92593-3
    GORDON McCLOUD, J. (dissenting)-A troubled and bullied young high
    school student was in counseling to address trauma stemming from his childhood of
    abuse and neglect. Following coaxing from his therapist to discuss his angry
    thoughts and plans, and in the context of the therapist-patient relationship, he
    disclosed his desire to violently harm three other students. Thereafter, a deputy
    sheriff asked the young man to repeat what he had previously disclosed to the
    therapist. The young man-Trey M.-did as he was told. There was no evidence
    that Trey M. ever volunteered these statements without being coaxed by adults in
    positions of authority; there was no evidence that Trey M. ever actually
    communicated these statements to the three students directly; and there was no
    evidence that Trey M. intended, desired, or knew that his coaxed disclosures of these
    statements to responsible adults would be communicated to those three other
    students indirectly. In fact, the trial court judge explicitly found that Trey M. told
    the deputy sheriff "that he was having a hard time wanting to do the wrong
    1
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    things." Clerk's Papers (CP) at 43 (Finding of Fact 1.10). Nevertheless, as a result
    of following the instructions of the therapist and the deputy sheriff to put his
    disturbing thoughts into words, Trey M. was charged with and convicted of three
    cow1ts of felony harassment-for putting these thoughts into words.
    I agree with the majority that these convictions were permissible under our
    current precedent; we have interpreted the felony harassment statute, RCW
    9A.46.020, to reach statements like Trey M.'s therapeutic disclosures. But the time
    has come to abandon that precedent. To the extent that it allows felony convictions
    for merely negligent speech, this precedent violates First Amendment protections,
    conflicts with fundamental precepts of Anglo-American criminal justice, and-as
    this case amply demonstrates-establishes bad policy. U.S. CONST. amend. I. I
    therefore dissent.
    ANALYSIS
    Trey M. was convicted of violating RCW 9A.46.020(1)(a), which makes it a
    felony to "knowingly threaten[] ... [t]o cause bodily injury immediately or in the
    future to the person threatened or to any other person." (Emphasis added.) This
    court's decisions in State v. J.M, 
    144 Wn.2d 472
    ,482, 
    28 P.3d 720
     (2001), and State
    v. Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d 36
    , 
    84 P.3d 1215
     (2004), 1 severely limited the reach of the
    1 Theparties and the majority also cite State v. Williams, 
    144 Wn.2d 197
    , 207-08,
    
    26 P.3d 890
     (2001), as the source of our "objective" test for knowing threats (i.e., threats
    2
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    modifier "knowingly." Those cases held that to commit felony harassment, a person
    must know he is communicating-that is, he may not be convicted for muttering a
    threat under his breath or recording it in a private journal-but need not know or
    intend that (1) this communication will actually reach the subject of the threat2 or (2)
    the subject will actually feel threatened. 3 Accordingly, the majority in this case
    upholds Trey M.'s convictions despite the absence of any evidence that Trey M.
    knew or intended that the thoughts he put into words for his therapist would be
    transmitted to the other students as threats. Majority at 21 ('"[T]he person threatened
    must find out about the threat although the perpetrator need not !mow nor should
    know that the threat will be communicated to the victim"' (quoting J.M, 
    144 Wn.2d at 482
    )). For the reasons given infra, I conclude that we must overturn J.M and
    Kilburn and reverse T.J.M.'s convictions.
    that are constitutionally proscribable and covered by our felony harassment statute).
    Majority at 7-8. But I note that Williams quoted the objective standard only in dicta
    because it was not at issue in that case. 144 Wn.2d at 203-11 (holding that felony
    harassment statute was unconstitutionally vague and overbroad because it proscribed
    threats to harm a person's "mental health" but did not define that term).
    2
    J.M, 
    144 Wn.2d at 476-82
    .
    3
    Kilburn, 151 Wn.2dat46-48.
    3
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    I.       This court's decisions in JM and Kilburn violate the First Amendment
    protections implicitly recognized by the United States Supreme Court in
    Virginia v. Black4
    Neither JM, nor Kilburn, nor any of our prior decisions interpreting the
    felony harassment statute addressed the United States Supreme Court's decision in
    Black, 
    538 U.S. 343
    .          Trey M. argues that the First Amendment principles
    recognized in that case require reversal of his convictions. He is correct.
    The majority dismisses Black as a "fractured plurality decision ... [that]
    provides no clear directive ... compel[ling] this court to abandon its precedent."
    Majority at 16. I agree that Black is a complicated case: it generated four separate
    opinions and a split among the federal courts of appeals. See discussion infra. But
    I disagree that Black can be reconciled with Trey M. 's conviction, under a negligence
    standard, for confiding in his counselor and law enforcement.
    Black addressed a Virginia statute that criminalized cross burning '"on the
    property of another, a highway or other public place"' done "'with the intent of
    intimidating any person or group of persons."' 
    538 U.S. at 348
     (lead opinion)
    (quoting VA. CODE ANN. § 18.2-423). The statute also provided that "'[a]ny such
    burning of a cross shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to intimidate."' !d.
    (quoting VA. CODE ANN. § 18.2-423 ). In other words, the statute provided that the
    4    
    538 U.S. 343
    , 
    123 S. Ct. 1536
    , 
    155 L. Ed. 2d 535
     (2003) (plurality opinion).
    4
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    act of burning a cross on public land, a highway, or the property of another triggered
    a presumption that the statute's mens rea element-intent to intimidate-was
    satisfied. At a trial for a violation of the statute, the defendant would have to rebut
    this presumption (or raise a reasonable doubt as to the fact of cross burning on
    property covered by the statute).
    Eight justices agreed that this statute posed First Amendment problems 5-
    they differed only as to the appropriate remedy for these problems. Of significance
    here, five justices agreed that although a state may criminalize "cross burning with
    intent to intimidate," 6 it may not make the act of cross burning sufficient, by itself,
    to establish the prohibited intent. 7       These justices reasoned that if a jury was
    5
    Three justices would have invalidated the statute as impermissibly content based
    rather than impermissibly overbroad. I d. at 386-87 (Souter, J., concurring in the judgment
    in part and dissenting in part). And Justice Thomas would have upheld the statute on the
    basis that it prohibited conduct rather than speech. I d. at 394-95 (Thomas, J., dissenting).
    6
    ld. at 362 (lead opinion); see also 
    id. at 368
     (Stevens, J., concurring) ("[c]ross
    burning with 'an intent to intimidate,' 
    Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-423
     (1996), unquestionably
    qualifies as the kind of threat that is unprotected by the First Amendment"); 
    id. at 368
    (Scalia, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part) ("I agree with the Court that ... a State
    may, without infringing the First Amendment, prohibit cross burning carried out with the
    intent to intimidate.").
    7 I d. at 365 (lead opinion) (concluding that the Virginia statute's "prima facie
    evidence" provision was unconstitutional because it facilitated the arrest, prosecution, and
    conviction of a person who burned a cross for political or cultural reasons instead of to
    intentionally intimidate), 368 (Stevens, J., concurring), 379 (Scalia, J., concurring in part
    and dissenting in part) (agreeing that Court must reverse conviction of defendant whose
    jury "was instructed that '[t]he burning of a cross, by itself, is sufficient evidence from
    which you may infer the required intent"' (alteration in original)).
    5
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    permitted to convict on the basis of cross burning alone-and thus permitted to
    ignore other evidence relating to the defendant's motives for burning the cross-
    then the statute might sweep up constitutionally protected expression, which they
    defined as expression that was not intended to intimidate: "Intimidation in the
    constitutionally proscribable sense of the word is a type of true threat, where a
    speaker directs a threat to a person or group of persons with the intent of placing the
    victim in fear of bodily harm or death." ld. at 360 (emphasis added). Accordingly,
    under Black, the First Amendment protects cross burning even when that act is
    carried out-by someone with full knowledge of its historical and symbolic
    significance-with the intent only to "creat[ e] anger or resentment" or unite "a group
    oflike-minded believers." I d. at 366. 8 It makes no difference what effect the cross
    burning actually has on anyone who witnesses it; the First Amendment protects that
    form of expression provided it is not intended to intimidate.
    
    8 Black, 538
     U.S. at 365-66 (lead opinion) ("prima facie evidence" provision
    rendered Virginia statute facially overbroad because it "does not distinguish between a
    cross burning done with the [constitutionally protected] purpose of creating anger or
    resentment and a cross burning done with the [constitutionally proscribable] purpose of
    threatening or intimidating a victim"), 374 (Scalia, J., concurring in part and dissenting in
    part) (agreeing that the First Amendment prohibits the conviction of a person for cross
    burning without the intent to intimidate, but concluding that the number of such convictions
    likely to occur under the Virginia statute was too small to render the statute facially
    overbroad).
    6
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    Unlike the majority, I am unable to conclude that Black protects cross burning
    but not statements like Trey M. 's, made first in the context of mental health treatment
    and then later repeated at the urging of a law enforcement officer.
    To distinguish Black from this case, the majority relies on two sources of
    authority: a footnote to this court's decision in State v. Schaler, 
    169 Wn.2d 274
    , 287
    n.4, 
    236 P.3d 858
     (2010), and Justice Thomas' lone dissenting opinion in Elonis v.
    United States, __ U.S._, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    , 
    192 L. Ed. 2d 1
     (2015). Majority at 14-
    16 . Neither suffices.
    The Schaler note supports rather than undermines Trey M.' s reliance on
    Black. In Schaler, a man in the throes of a mental breakdown called a crisis services
    hotline and, crying hysterically, confessed that he had either killed his neighbors or
    dreamed that he killed them.       
    169 Wn.2d at 278-80
    . After being involuntarily
    committed to a mental health facility, the man, who had not in fact killed anyone,
    continued to voice specific threats to kill his neighbors but "also said, 'I hope I didn't
    really kill her."' !d. at 280. The State charged him with violating the antiharassment
    statute at issue in this case (RCW 9A.46.020(1)(a)(i), (b), and (2)(b )). !d. at 281. At
    trial, the man successfully requested a jury instruction requiring the State to prove
    that he intended to communicate a threat, but the jury was not also instructed on the
    definition of a "true threat," so this court reversed his conviction. !d. at 281-82, 288-
    7
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    90. The defendant in Schafer did not challenge our objective definition of "true
    threat," based on the reasonable person standard9-instead, he argued only that "[i]n
    the context of his mental health evaluation ... his words were a cry for help, and a
    reasonable person in his position would not foresee that a listener would take them
    as a serious expression of intent to kill." !d. at 284. This court agreed and, having
    no occasion to reconsider our objective standard, held that the jury in a harassment
    trial must be asked "whether a reasonable person in [the defendant's] position would
    foresee that his statements or acts would be interpreted as a serious expression of
    intent to carry out the threat." !d. at 290. When the Schafer court addressed Black-
    in the footnote relied on by the majority in this case-it was to point out that "the
    law at issue in Black required an even greater mens rea as to the listener's fear" and
    therefore supported reversal for a new, more defendant-protective jury instruction.
    !d. at 287 n.4 (emphasis added). This "distin[ction]," as the majority calls it, 10
    supports Trey M. 's position in this case, not the State's.
    As for Justice Thomas' dissent in Elonis-an opinion that no other justice
    signed-it cannot substitute for our own analysis of the Black decision itself. The
    9
    Pet. for Review, State v. Schafer, No. 81864-9, at 13 (Wash. Aug. 19, 2008)
    (conceding that "[t]he true threat test is determined under an objective standard that focuses
    on the speaker" (citing Kilburn, 
    151 Wn.2d at 44
    )).
    10
    Majority at 14.
    8
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    majority eschews any such analysis in favor or Justice Thomas' assertion that Black
    '"says little"' about the constitutional question presented here. Majority at 15
    (quoting Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2027
    ) (Thomas, J., dissenting)). But for all of the
    reasons outlined above, this assertion is untenable.
    Finally, it is true that a majority of the lower federal appellate decisions
    addressing the question-all decisions interpreting 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c), the federal
    antithreat statute at issue in Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    -have rejected Trey M.'s
    reading of Black. Majority at 17. But those decisions are wrong. They begin and
    end with the observation that the Black Court "had no occasion" to impose a
    subjective intent requirement on "threat-prohibiting statutes" since the Virginia
    statute at issue already had such a requirement. United States v. Jeffries, 
    692 F.3d 473
    ,477-81 (6th Cir. 2012), abrogated by United States v. Houston, 
    792 F.3d 663
    ,
    667 (6th Cir. 2015); see also United States v. Clemens, 
    738 F.3d 1
    , 11 (1st Cir. 2013)
    (plain error review; citing Jeffries, 692 F.3d at 478, 480); United States v. Nicklas,
    
    713 F.3d 435
    , 439-40 (8th Cir. 2013) (citing Jeffries, 692 F.3d at 479-80); United
    States v. Martinez, 
    736 F.3d 981
    , 986-87 (11th Cir. 2013) (citing Jeffries, 692 F.3d
    at 478-80), vacated, 
    135 S. Ct. 2758
     (2015); United States v. Elonis, 
    730 F.3d 321
    ,
    331 (3d Cir. 2013) (citing Jeffries, 692 F.3d at 483), rev'd, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    . That
    may be true as far as the statute at issue was concerned, but it fails to acknowledge
    9
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    the Black Court's actual analysis, which treated the statute's subjective intent
    element as required by the First Amendment. See discussion supra. Two circuit
    courts have recognized this implied holding in Black, 11 and a third has endorsed this
    view without reaching the question. 12        These courts have adopted the correct
    interpretation of Black; we should do the same.
    II.    This court's decisions in J.M and Kilburn also violate the principle,
    applied in Elonis, that "wrongdoing must be conscious to be criminal"
    While Black alone compels us to reverse Trey M. 's conviction, reversal is also
    supported by the United States Supreme Court's recent decision in Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    . As noted above and by the majority, Elonis addressed 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c),
    the federal statute "mak[ing] it a crime to transmit in interstate commerce 'any
    communication containing any threat ... to injure the person of another,"' 
    135 S. Ct. at 2004
     (second alteration in original) (quoting 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c)); majority at
    10-11. Applying the principle-rooted in common law notions of basic justice-
    11United States v. Heineman, 
    767 F.3d 970
    ,976-82 (lOth Cir. 2014) (holding, after
    long discussion of the various opinions in Black, that that case "establish[ed] that a
    defendant can be constitutionally convicted of making a true threat only if the defendant
    intended the recipient of the threat to feel threatened"); United States v. Bagdasarian, 
    652 F.3d 1113
    , 1116-18 (9th Cir. 2005) (Black requires that federal statute be construed to
    require proof of subjective intent to threaten).
    12 United States v. Parr, 
    545 F.3d 491
    , 499-500 (7th Cir. 2008) (declining to reach
    the question but opining that after Black, "[i]t is ... likely ... that an entirely objective
    definition [of 'true threat'] is no longer tenable").
    10
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    that "'wrongdoing must be conscious to be criminal,"' 13 the Elonis Court read an
    actual (subjective knowledge) requirement into 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c). 
    135 S. Ct. at 2010
    . This requirement-that the govermnent must prove an "evil mind" before
    imposing the stigma and disabilities of a felony conviction-stands at the heart of
    the United States' conception of criminal justice. Staples v. United States, 
    511 U.S. 600
    , 605, 
    114 S. Ct. 1793
    , 
    128 L. Ed. 2d 608
     ( 1994) ('" [t]he existence of a mens rea
    is the rule of, rather than the exception to, the principles of Anglo-American criminal
    jurisprudence"' (alteration in original) (quoting United States v. US. Gypsum Co.,
    
    438 U.S. 422
    , 436, 
    98 S. Ct. 2864
    , 
    57 L. Ed. 2d 854
     (1952))).
    The majority distinguishes Elonis on the ground that 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) "is
    silent on the scienter required to commit the offense." Majority at 11. According to
    the majority, Washington's felony harassment statute is not similarly "silent"-and
    thus does not trigger the rule of statutory construction applied in Elonis-because it
    penalizes a person who "'knowingly threatens"' another. Majority at 12 (quoting
    RCW 9A.46.020(1)(a)). But this distinction begs the question presented in this case:
    What must a defendant "know" in order to trigger liability under the felony
    harassment statute? And with respect to that question, Elonis is directly on point. It
    holds that in the context of threat prosecutions, the knowledge separating innocent
    13 Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at 2009
     (quoting Morissette v. United States, 
    342 U.S. 246
    , 252,
    
    72 S. Ct. 240
    , 
    96 L. Ed. 2d 288
     (1952)).
    11
    State v. Trey lvf., No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    from wrongful conduct is the defendant's actual "knowledge thatthe communication
    will be viewed as a threat," Elonis, 
    135 S. Ct. at
    2012:
    The "presumption in favor of a scienter requirement should apply to
    each of the statutory elements that criminalize otherwise innocent
    conduct." [United States v.] X-Citement Video, 513 U.S. [64,] 72[, 
    115 S. Ct. 464
    , 
    130 L. Ed. 2d 372
     (1994)] (emphasis added). The parties
    agree that a defendant under Section 875(c) must lmow that he is
    transmitting a communication. But communicating something is not
    what makes the conduct "wrongful." Here "the crucial element
    separating legal innocence from wrongful conduct" is the threatening
    nature of the communication. 
    Id.,
     
    115 S.Ct. 464
     at 73. The mental state
    requirement must therefore apply to the fact that the communication
    contains a threat.
    I d. at 2011. The Court has consistently applied this presumption when interpreting
    statutes that, like Washington's felony harassment law, penalize "knowing"
    conduct. 14
    14   E.g., Flores-Figueroa v. United States, 
    556 U.S. 646
    , 647, 652, 
    129 S. Ct. 1886
    ,
    
    173 L. Ed. 2d 853
     (2009) (identity theft statute required government to prove defendant
    "knew that the 'means of identification' he or she unlawfully transferred, possessed, or
    used, in fact, belonged to 'another person'" because "courts ordinarily read a phrase in a
    criminal statute that introduces elements of a crime with the word 'lmowingly' as applying
    that word to each element" (quoting 18 U.S.C. § 1028A(a)(l))); X-Citement Video, 
    513 U.S. at 67-68
     (even though most natural reading of child pornography statute indicated that
    government need prove only defendant !mew he transported, shipped, received, or
    distributed the prohibited materials, Court would construe statute so as to apply the
    modifier "lmowingly" to the nature ofthe materials-i.e., the fact that they depicted minors
    engaging in sexually explicit conduct); see also McFadden v. United States, _U.S. -~'
    
    135 S. Ct. 2298
    , 2303-06, 
    192 L. Ed. 2d 260
     (2015) ("the most natural reading" of statute
    making it a crime '"knowingly or intentionally ... to manufacture, distribute, or dispense,
    or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance"'
    requires government to prove "that the defendant lmew he was dealing with 'a controlled
    substance'" (quoting 21 U.S.C. § 84l(a)(l))).
    12
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    Finally, I note that although Elonis did not reach any First Amendment
    question-and thus did not explicitly state that a true threat requires subjective intent
    under Black-it did abrogate all ofthe federal decisions (discussed above) reaching
    the contrary conclusion. 15     As a result, only one interpretation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c)--the federal threat statute at issue in all of those cases-survives today: the
    interpretation that avoids the First Amendment problem posed by criminalizing
    speech that is merely negligent.
    III.    To the extent that they allow felony convictions for merely negligent
    speech, J.M and Kilburn are incorrect and harmful
    Before we may overturn our own precedent, there must be a clear showing
    that that precedent is both incorrect and harmful. In re Rights to Waters of Stranger
    Creek, 
    77 Wn.2d 649
    ,653, 
    466 P.2d 508
     (1970). For all of the reasons given above,
    I conclude that our decisions in .J.M and Kilburn are incorrect. To the extent that
    those decisions permit felony harassment convictions for merely negligent speech,
    they violate the First Amendment protections recognized in Black, 
    538 U.S. 343
    ,
    15
    Martinez v. United States,_ U.S._, 
    135 S. Ct. 2798
    , 
    192 L. Ed. 2d 842
     (2015)
    (vacating and remanding to the Court of Appeals for further consideration in light of
    Elonis); United State v. White, 
    810 F.3d 212
    , 220 (4th Cir. 2016) ("Elonis abrogates our
    prior holding that liability under [18 U.S.C.] § 875(c) can turn solely on how a recipient
    would interpret a statement, without regard to whether the speaker intended it as a threat");
    Houston, 792 F.3d at 667 (holding thatJeifries has been abrogated by Elonis); Nicklas, 713
    F.3d at 440 (no First Amendment error in permitting conviction, under 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c),
    according to negligence standard); Clemens, 738 FJd at 11 (not plain error to permit
    conviction, under 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    ( c), according to objective negligence standard).
    13
    State v. Trey M., No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    and the principle of statutory construction applied in Elan is, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    . I also
    conclude that JM. and Kilburn are clearly harmful for two reasons.
    First, J.M. and Kilburn infringe a constitutional protection.              We have
    previously held that such infringement constitutes "harm" sufficient to overcome the
    mle of stare decisis. State v. WR., 
    181 Wn.2d 757
    , 769, 
    336 P.3d 1134
     (2014)(prior
    precedent harmful because it violated due process protections); State v. Barber, 
    170 Wn.2d 854
    , 871, 
    248 P.3d 494
     (2011) (prior precedent harmful because it offended
    separation of powers principles).
    Second, we have found precedent clearly harmful where it creates significant
    policy problems. Barber, 
    170 Wn.2d at 871
     (collecting cases). JM. and Kilburn
    certainly fit this bill, as illustrated by their application to the facts in this case.
    At Trey M.'s sentencing hearing-a proceeding at which every speaker
    expressed concern and compassion for Trey M.-the judge imposed probation with
    several conditions, including that Trey M. continue to participate in mental health
    treatment. 3 Report of Proceedings (Dec. 19, 2014) at 262-63. When she imposed
    that sentence, the judge strnggled to explain to Trey M. why he was being punished
    for the things he had previously said to his therapist and how he should proceed in
    future therapy sessions:
    Well, this is a difficult, sad case. It's obviously been horrible for
    everybody, including Trey [M.]. And I think Trey[ M.]'s learned that
    14
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    you can't make a plan to kill people and tell anybody about it, including
    your therapist. But on the other hand, you shouldn't be thinking that
    way. So that's the problem.
    . . . And I think that your mind is unhealthy at this time. I
    understand that.
    ... On the one hand, people should feel safe to make comments
    to a therapist in a therapeutic setting; on the other hand, this just went
    over-- over the line. So ... [your therapist] felt that he had to report it.
    He was concerned enough that he reported it and, basically, things
    snowballed and a lot of people found out about it and it became very,
    very frightening for a lot of people .
    . . . Everybody has thoughts like you have. Some of them are
    spoken and some of them are unspoken, but we all do the best we can
    to make sure that other people aren't afraid of what we say, okay?
    Id. at 257-61.
    The judge's advice is consistent with our holdings in JM and Kilburn-it
    warns Trey M. that he faces criminal sanction as a felon for therapeutic disclosures
    that are "over the line," regardless of his criminal intent. I d. at 259. Under JM and
    Kilburn then, Trey M. must censor himself when he returns to therapy. Because this
    outcome is as frightening and counterproductive as it is unconstitutional, I would
    overturn those cases.
    IS
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    CONCLUSION
    Imposing felony criminal liability for Trey M.' s disclosures-disclosures that
    were requested by adults in positions of authority-contradicts controlling United
    States Supreme Court precedents. It undermines constitutional rights, flouts the
    plain language of the felony harassment statute, and risks undermining attempts to
    achieve the trust necessary to address juvenile mental health issues. It also opens
    the floodgates to prosecutions for harsh language that the speaker did not intend to
    be frightening in other areas, like the political context. For all of these reasons, I
    respectfully dissent.
    16
    State v. Trey M, No. 92593-3
    (Gordon McCloud, J., dissenting)
    17