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State of West Virginia v. Michael and Kim Blatt ( 2015 )


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  • No. 14-0757 - State of West Virginia v. Michael Blatt and Kim Blatt
    FILED
    June 16, 2015
    RORY L. PERRY II, CLERK
    SUPREME COURT OF APPEALS
    LOUGHRY, Justice, concurring, in part, and dissenting, in part:              OF WEST VIRGINIA
    Apparently, from the majority’s coign of vantage, the citizens of this State do
    not deserve the same protection from vicious or dangerous dogs that is enjoyed by cows,
    goats, pigs, and sheep.1 Once again, the majority grants clemency to a dog that the lower
    court found to be vicious and dangerous. As I explained in Robinson v. City of Bluefield, 234
    W.Va. 209, 
    764 S.E.2d 740
    (2014), “not all dogs are like the beloved Lassie.” 
    Id. at ,
    764
    S.E.2d at 748 (Loughry, J., dissenting). I have very fond memories of my childhood
    companion and faithful dog, “Bozo,”2 and understand that pets often become members of
    one’s family. Such feelings and emotions, however, should not prevent the members of this
    Court from considering the facts of this case in an objective fashion rather than under the
    penumbra of sentiments attached to their own pets. As discussed more fully below, the dog
    in Robinson was involved in an incident within months of the majority’s decision in that
    matter, which only serves to heighten my already grave concerns as to the potential serious
    and adverse consequences of the majority’s decision in the case at bar.
    1
    See W.Va. Code § 19-20-16 (2007) (“A person may kill a dog that he may see
    chasing, worrying, wounding or killing any sheep, lambs, goats, kids, calves, cattle, swine,
    show or breeding rabbits, horses, colts or poultry outside of the enclosure of the owner of the
    dog, unless the chasing or worrying be done by the direction of the owner of the sheep,
    lambs, goats, kids, calves, cattle, swine, show or breeding rabbits or horses and colts or
    poultry.”).
    2
    See Robinson, 234 W.Va. at ___, 764 S.E.2d at 749 (Loughry, J., dissenting).
    1
    Unlike the majority, my love of animals does not blind me to the lamentable
    reality that some dogs are dangerous, vicious, and inflict serious injuries–and even
    death–upon innocent victims. Sadly, case law is replete with incidents of vicious and/or
    deadly dog attacks. See Bowden v. Monroe Cnty. Com’n, 232 W.Va. 47, 
    750 S.E.2d 263
    (2013) (setting aside dismissal of complaint brought by estate of victim who was maimed
    beyond recognition and ultimately died due to injuries sustained when he was attacked by
    several pit bulls while taking walk); Atkins v. Conley, 202 W.Va. 457, 
    504 S.E.2d 920
    (1998)
    (involving personal injury action brought by parents of two-year-old child who incurred
    multiple injuries and permanent facial scarring inflicted by dog); see also Cowan v. Carillo,
    
    771 S.E.2d 86
    (Ga. App. 2015) (addressing action for damages arising out of injuries
    sustained by two children who were taken to hospital after they were bitten by pit bull that
    escaped owner’s apartment after guest failed to properly shut apartment’s front door); City
    of Kenner v. Parker, 
    918 So. 2d 479
    (La. App. 5 Cir. 2005) (affirming destruction of pit bull
    that bit six-year-old girl who required over one hundred sutures to reconstruct her forehead
    and finding that evidence was sufficient to establish that pit bull was dangerous and vicious
    even though owner testified that dog had never bitten anyone previously); Sawh v. City of
    Lino Lakes, 
    823 N.W.2d 627
    (Minn. 2012) (finding substantial evidence supported finding
    that dog was unprovoked when it bit victim in third incident, so as to support city’s order for
    destruction of dog under city ordinance); State v. Moore, Nos. 11AP-1116, 11AP-1117, 
    2013 WL 3968166
    (Ohio App. 10 Dist. Aug. 1, 2013) (affirming conviction on two counts of
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    failure to confine vicious dog where appellant’s pit bull mauled two different victims in
    separate incidents); State v. Collins, 
    763 S.E.2d 22
    (S.C. 2014) (holding trial court’s
    admission of pre-autopsy photographs of victim, ten-year-old boy who died after being
    severely mauled by dogs, was not abuse of discretion); King v. Foht, No. W2013-00518­
    COA-R3-CV, 
    2013 WL 5310436
    (Tenn. Ct. App. Aug. 13, 2013) (reversing summary
    judgment granted in favor of owners of residential rental property in personal injury action
    brought on behalf of eight-year-old child attacked and injured by pit bull dog); Watson v.
    State, 
    337 S.W.3d 347
    (Tex. App. 2011) (affirming conviction for offense of attack by dog
    resulting in death where seven-year-old boy was mauled to death by dogs).
    As in Robinson, the majority once again disregards or diminishes the severity
    of the injuries inflicted in the current matter—this time by “Tinkerbell,” a dog3 that bit an
    eight-year-old child in the face in an unprovoked attack. The petitioners, Michael and Kim
    Blatt, who owned the dog, were charged with the misdemeanor offense of owning or
    harboring a dog they knew to be dangerous, vicious, or in the habit of biting other persons
    or animals.4 During the criminal bench trial on those misdemeanor charges, the circuit court
    heard the testimony of the injured child’s father, who stated that his son’s “[u]pper lip was
    ripped, and his bottom lip was . . . ripped even worse” and that his daughter “came in
    3
    The evidence presented during an evidentiary hearing below showed that Tinkerbell
    is a either a pit bull terrier or a pit bull terrier mix.
    4
    See infra W.Va. Code § 19-20-20 (2007).
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    screaming because of what happened. She was terrified.” The child’s mother testified that
    she took their young son to the emergency room where “[t]hey had to hold him down and put
    needles in his face to sew it up. It was very traumatic.” The record reflects that fourteen
    stitches were necessary to close the multiple lacerations inflicted by Tinkerbell on the face
    of this little boy. In further describing the aftermath of this frightening attack, the child’s
    mother testified that her son’s asthma worsened due to the stress caused by the trauma and
    that he slept upright in his bed “because he was afraid to hit his stitches on the pillows.”
    Obviously, this testimonial evidence belies the euphemistic “nip” that was used by the Blatts’
    son to describe the incident, apparently at the suggestion of his parents. Their son ultimately
    conceded that the “nip” was a bite and that it was “pretty bad.”5
    More than one hundred years ago, the United States Supreme Court recognized
    this potential danger, explaining that dogs are subject to the state police power and “might
    be destroyed or otherwise dealt with, as in the judgment of the legislature is necessary for the
    protection of its citizens.” Sentell v. New Orleans & Carrollton RR. Co., 
    166 U.S. 698
    , 704
    (1897). Forty years later, those same precepts were echoed in City of Buckhannon ex rel.
    Cockerill v. Reppert, 118 W.Va. 10, 
    189 S.E. 585
    (1937) (Kenna, J., concurring):
    5
    In its further attempt to diminish the severity of the injury, the majority cites hospital
    records which state that the child’s pain was minimal. However, other such records show
    that the child was administered pain medication in the emergency room and was given a
    prescription for pain medication to take at home.
    4
    [U]nder modern law . . . the obvious necessity of protecting the
    public from . . . vicious, and otherwise dangerous dogs [means
    that dogs] must be held subject to . . . very rigid regulation.
    Because of this, ordinances and statutes authorizing the
    summary destruction of dogs not kept in accordance with their
    terms have generally been upheld.
    
    Id. In West
    Virginia, the Legislature has deemed it necessary to protect its
    citizenry, as well as animals within this state, from dangerous and vicious dogs. Under West
    Virginia Code § 19-20-16,6 had Tinkerbell been chasing or “worrying” a cow or a pig instead
    of biting the face of a child, any person would have been legally permitted to wound or kill
    Tinkerbell. Morever, Tinkerbell could have been legally killed during its attack upon the
    child in question without the necessity of first proving that the dog is vicious or dangerous.
    W.Va. Code § 19-20-12(a) (2007).7 The specific dog statute involved in the instant matter,
    West Virginia Code § 19-20-20, provides, in relevant part, that
    6
    See supra note 1.
    7
    West Virginia Code § 19-20-12(a) provides, in part, that
    except as otherwise authorized by law, any person who shall
    intentionally, knowingly or recklessly kill, injure, poison or in
    any other manner, cause the death or injury of any dog . . . is
    guilty of a misdemeanor . . . . However, this section does not
    apply to a dog who is killed while attacking a person, a
    companion animal or livestock.
    
    Id. (emphasis added).
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    no person shall own, keep or harbor any dog known by him to
    be vicious, dangerous, or in the habit of biting or attacking other
    persons, whether or not such dog wears a tag or muzzle. Upon
    satisfactory proof before a circuit court or magistrate that such
    dog is vicious, dangerous, or in the habit of biting or attacking
    other persons or other dogs or animals, the judge may authorize
    the humane officer to cause such dog to be killed.
    Any person who violates this statute can be prosecuted for a misdemeanor; hence, the
    prosecution of the Blatts in the case at bar. See W.Va. Code § 19-20-19 (“A person who
    violates any of the provisions of this article for which no specific penalty is prescribed is
    guilty of a misdemeanor. . . .”).
    In recent decisions of this Court, the majority has improperly applied West
    Virginia Code § 19-20-20. See Robinson, 234 W.Va. 209, 
    764 S.E.2d 740
    ; Durham v.
    Jenkins, 229 W.Va. 669, 
    735 S.E.2d 266
    (2012). In Durham, the majority found that “[f]or
    a magistrate or circuit court to obtain authority to order a dog killed, the magistrate or judge
    must first find, upon conducting a criminal proceeding, that a crime described in the first
    sentence of § 19-20-20 has been committed.” 
    Id. at 673,
    735 S.E.2d at 270. In Chief Justice
    Workman’s dissent in Durham, she aptly explained:
    The statute makes two distinct and independently
    operative provisions. First, the statute provides that it is
    unlawful for a person to keep or harbor a dog known by him to
    be vicious, dangerous, or in the habit of biting or attacking other
    persons. This is the criminal aspect of the statute and the
    specific “provision” of Section 20, [the] violation of which is
    subject to a criminal penalty pursuant to W.Va. Code § 19-20­
    19. Secondly, the statute authorizes the humane officer to kill
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    a vicious or dangerous dog upon proper finding by a circuit or
    magistrate court. This portion of the statute makes no reference
    whatsoever to the condition precedent created by the majority
    that before a dog may be euthanized under the statute, the owner
    must first be convicted of a crime or that such request may only
    be made in the course of a criminal proceeding. The plain
    language of the statute reveals that neither of the two provisions
    in the statute is dependent upon the other for operation. Even if
    a criminal conviction is not pursued or secured for whatever
    reason, including but not limited to a lack of knowledge as
    required by statute, there is nothing which prevents a court from
    ordering destruction of the dog upon a finding that it is vicious,
    dangerous, or in the habit of biting or attacking other persons.
    [T]he majority overlooks the entire purpose of the
    statute—to protect the public from vicious dogs. . . . Moreover,
    it is entirely nonsensical that a vicious or dangerous dog may be
    free to remain a menace to the public if . . . [the] prosecuting
    attorney . . . realizes he cannot prove that the owner was aware
    of the dog’s propensity for violence.
    Durham, 229 W.Va. at 
    676-77, 735 S.E.2d at 273-74
    (Workman, J., dissenting). Although
    I was not a member of the Court at the time Durham was issued, I wholeheartedly agree with
    Chief Justice Workman’s sound reasoning. I also applaud the majority in the case sub judice
    for finally applying West Virginia Code § 19-20-20 in consonance with Chief Justice
    Workman’s compelling dissent. Accordingly, I concur in the majority’s holding in syllabus
    point three that a “magistrate or circuit court need not determine that a crime has been
    committed pusuant to W. Va. Code § 19-20-20 (1981) to proceed, at its discretion, to order
    the destruction of a dog pursuant to that statute” upon a determination that “there is
    satisfactory proof that the dog is dangerous, vicious, or in the habit of biting or attacking
    other persons or other dogs or animals.”
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    Certainly, not every dog that bites a person or another animal is a dangerous
    or vicious dog. Although the majority cites to a plethora of definitions for the words
    “dangerous” and “vicious,” it fails to recite the definition of “dangerous dog,” which is “[a]
    dog legally classified as one whose behavior poses a threat to the safety of humans and other
    animals based on its actions, its breed, or the actions of its owner.” Black’s Law Dictionary
    589 (10th ed. 2014). Likewise absent from the majority opinion is the definition of a “vicious
    animal,” which is “[a]n animal that has shown itself to be dangerous to humans. . . . A
    vicious animal may be domestic, feral, or wild.” Black’s Law Dictionary 106 (10th ed. 2014).
    Under these definitions, it becomes clear that in assessing the dangerousness
    or viciousness of a dog, the issue is whether a particular dog presents too great a risk of
    serious injury. In this regard, the bites of some dogs, such as herding dogs, which use their
    mouths to guide, rather than crush or rip, would not present the same risk of serious injury
    that the bites of other dogs present, whether due to their size, breed, disposition, past
    behavior, etc. Indeed, the determination of whether a particular dog is vicious or dangerous
    is an undeniably fact-specific process, and judicial decisions will necessarily turn on those
    facts.
    In the instant matter, and in accordance with Robinson and West Virginia Code
    § 19-20-20, the circuit court held a hearing to determine whether there was satisfactory proof
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    that Tinkerbell is vicious or dangerous. The circuit court also took judicial notice of the
    evidence that was presented during the criminal bench trial on the criminal charges filed
    against the Blatts, which included the testimony of the assistant director of the local animal
    shelter. Testifying to his experience and training involving vicious and aggressive dogs, he
    described pit bulls as “more aggressive” than other breeds and being “harder” to handle.
    With regard to his personal experience with pit bulls, he explained how such dogs can be
    “generally fine one day” and the next day he has a “bite case[] against them[.]” Also
    testifying below was the animal control officer who responded to the incident in question.
    He testified that “[a] dog can be family-friendly and turn in an instant. We see it every single
    day that we’re out there . . . .” This officer further testified that “typically if a dog is human-
    aggressive, then we put that animal down because . . . we don’t want it biting somebody
    else.”8
    The circuit court considered this evidence, as well as the evidence presented
    during the destruction hearing, and entered its July 7, 2014, order in which it found that
    “Tinkerbell” did bite a child and caused severe injuries to the
    child; that the child was playing in an area where the child was
    permitted to be when he was attacked by “Tinkerbell,” and the
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    As Chief Justice Workman explained in her dissent in Robinson, “[e]ven the
    American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (‘the ASPCA’), the nation’s
    leading animal welfare organization, recognizes that euthanasia may be appropriate where
    an animal has attacked a person.” Robinson, 234 W.Va. at ___, 764 S.E.2d at 757
    (Workman, J., dissenting).
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    attack was unprovoked. . . . [and] that one unprovoked attack of
    a child is sufficient evidence of satisfactory proof that the dog
    is vicious, dangerous and in the habit of biting people.
    The circuit court ordered that Tinkerbell be euthanized. I see no reason to substitute my
    judgment for that of the trial judge in this matter. Accordingly, I dissent from the majority
    opinion to the extent it does that very thing.
    Because this matter was tried to the bench, our review is extremely deferential
    to the circuit judge. As we have previously explained,
    [f]ollowing a bench trial, the circuit court’s findings, based on
    oral or documentary evidence, shall not be overturned unless
    clearly erroneous, and due regard shall be given to the
    opportunity of the circuit judge to evaluate the credibility of the
    witnesses. W.Va.R.Civ.P. 52(a). Under this standard, if the
    circuit court’s account of the evidence is plausible in light of the
    record viewed in its entirety, we may not reverse it, even though
    convinced that had we been sitting as the trier of fact, we would
    have weighed the evidence differently. We will disturb only
    those factual findings that strike us wrong with the “force of a
    five-week-old, unrefrigerated dead fish.” United States v.
    Markling, 
    7 F.3d 1309
    , 1319 (7th Cir.1993), cert. denied, 
    514 U.S. 1010
    , 
    115 S. Ct. 1327
    , 
    131 L. Ed. 2d 206
    (1995).
    Brown v. Gobble, 196 W.Va. 559, 563, 
    474 S.E.2d 489
    , 493 (1996). When applying this
    deferential standard, this Court cannot become the trier of fact and usurp the role of the
    circuit judge in making factual findings. Indeed, this Court further explained in Brown that
    [i]t is well settled in this jurisdiction that in a case tried
    without the aid of a jury, the trial court, and not the appellate
    court, is the judge of the weight of the evidence. Actually, in a
    nonjury trial, the trial judge has usually been regarded as a
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    surrogate for the jury, and his or her findings are accorded
    corresponding weight. Subject only to W.Va.R.Civ.P. 52(a)’s
    clearly erroneous standard, this standard precludes a reviewing
    court from reversing a finding of the trier of fact simply because
    the reviewing court would have decided the case differently.
    Anderson v. City of Bessemer City, 
    470 U.S. 564
    , 573, 
    105 S. Ct. 1504
    , 1511, 
    84 L. Ed. 2d 518
    (1985). In fact, it is clear that the
    burden on an appellant attempting to show clear error is
    especially strong when the findings are primarily based upon
    oral testimony and the circuit court has viewed the demeanor
    and judged the credibility of the witnesses. Nationwide Mut.
    Ins. Co. v. Conley, 156 W.Va. 391, 395, 
    194 S.E.2d 170
    , 172
    (1972).
    Brown, 196 W.Va. at 
    565, 474 S.E.2d at 495
    .
    Although the majority did not sit as the trier of fact, it manages to achieve its
    ultimate goal of saving Tinkerbell by considering the same evidence and, contrary to the
    long-standing precedent cited above, “decid[ing] the case differently.” 
    Id. In order
    to reach
    its desired result, the majority latches onto the circuit court’s statement that pit bull terriers
    are presumptively dangerous, aggressive, and unpredictable, while simultaneously ignoring
    the other factual findings made by the circuit court, as discussed above. The majority
    apparently disregards the testimony of the assistant director of the local animal shelter and
    the human officer, each of whom described the training he received concerning aggressive
    dogs and, in particular, the aggressiveness and unpredictability of pit bulls.
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    Our memorandum decision issued in Hardwick v. Town of Ceredo, No. 11­
    0148, 
    2013 WL 149628
    , *1 (W.Va. Jan. 14, 2013), and upon which the circuit court relied,
    in part, presented a particularly sticky wicket for the majority. In Hardwick, we upheld the
    constitutionality of a municipal ordinance banning ownership of pit bull terriers. In doing
    so, we “adopt[ed] and incorporat[ed] the circuit court’s well-reasoned findings and
    conclusions[,]” which included the following:
    Defendant’s dogs are of the breed that is typically referred to
    generically as pit bull dogs which are aggressive by nature, have
    been known as attack animals with strong massive heads and
    jaws, and have been found to represent a public health hazard.
    The majority of jurisdictions have accepted the proposition that
    dogs of this type have a propensity to be aggressive and attack
    without provocation and it is well established that such dogs
    have gotten a lot of notoriety of being dangerous to public health
    and safety.
    
    Id. at *1-2.
    Having adopted and incorporated the circuit court’s “well-reasoned findings and
    conclusions” as our own, the majority is simply wrong to suggest that the circuit court was
    making baseless conclusions regarding pit bulls. Moreover, the circuit court is correct in its
    statement that other courts have reached similar conclusions. See Burnett ex rel. Burnett v.
    Clarke, No. 309373, 
    2013 WL 1010062
    , at *9 (Mich. Ct. App. Marh. 14, 2013) (Gleicher,
    J., dissenting and quoting Hearn v. City of Overland Park, 
    772 P.2d 758
    , 658 (Kan.1989))
    (“[P]it bull dogs represent a unique public health hazard not presented by other breeds or
    mixes of dogs. Pit bull dogs possess both the capacity for extraordinarily savage behavior
    and physical capabilities in excess of those possessed by many other breeds of dogs.
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    Moreover, this capacity for uniquely vicious attacks is coupled with an unpredictable
    nature.”); Bess v. Bracken Cnty. Fiscal Court, 
    210 S.W.3d 177
    , 182 (Ky. 2006) (“[T]he
    determination by the Bracken County Fiscal Court that pit bull terriers have ‘inherently
    vicious and dangerous propensities’ was certainly not unreasonable, given the evidence to
    support that finding.”); Garcia v. Village of Tijeras, 
    767 P.2d 355
    , 359 (N.M. Ct. App. 1988)
    (noting “evidence establishing that the American Pit Bull Terrier breed possesses inherent
    characteristics of aggression, strength, viciousness and unpredictability not found in any
    other breeds of dog. . . . They have exceptionally strong bites, possibly twice the strength of
    bites of other dogs.”); Cleveland v. Johnson,130 Ohio Misc.2d 17, 24 (Ohio Mun. 2005)
    (“Given the inherently dangerous nature of pit bulls and the proper and reasonable exercise
    of Cleveland’s police powers in adopting the ordinances at issue, the defendant has not been
    denied his right of due process. . . [A] pit bull dog is clearly vicious by its nature. It would
    be unreasonable and against the public interest to first conduct individual hearings on the
    viciousness of pit bulls after an injury has been inflicted.”).
    The majority also excuses the dog in question because it had no history of bites
    prior to the victim in this case. Apparently hinting at a “one free bite rule,” the majority
    insultingly suggests that “aggressive dog behaviors are normal, and even desirable by
    humans.” Really? I am reasonably certain that victims of dog attacks or bites, including our
    subject victim and his family, would not find aggressive dog behaviors desirable. The
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    majority’s further statement that it is “common knowledge that horses buck, cattle roam, cats
    stray and dogs bite,” evinces an unnecessarily cavalier attitude toward a very serious matter.
    Is it not only offensive to dog bite victims, but also to the majority of dogs who never in their
    lifetimes bite or attack any other animal or human. Quite frankly, the majority goes too far
    by essentially suggesting that all dogs bite and folks should just expect it, accept it, and move
    on.
    As in Robinson, the majority takes an errant path in this matter for the purpose
    of saving the life of a dog with seemingly little regard for the victim. In Robinson, the dog
    in question, named “Major,” attacked an experienced humane officer, whose injuries required
    surgery and a hospitalization that approximated five days. Estella Robinson, the dog’s
    owner, pled guilty to violating a municipal ordinance that prohibits a person from keeping
    or harboring “any dangerous animal known by him to be vicious, dangerous or in the habit
    of biting or attacking persons . . . .” Robinson, 234 W.Va. at __, 764 S.E.2d at 741. The
    municipal court issued an order directing that Major be euthanized, which order was upheld
    by the circuit court. On appeal to this Court, the majority reversed the lower courts’ orders
    and spared Major’s life. Reportedly, within months of the majority sparing Major’s life, the
    dog became the subject of another complaint. The Bluefield Daily Telegraph recounted that
    a mail carrier registered a complaint with the Bluefield Police Department that he had been
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    chased by a pit bull as a woman ran after the dog, calling out: “Major[,] no . . . Major[,] no.”9
    Because Ms. Robinson consented to the dog being euthanized, the potential criminal charges
    against Ms. Robinson were not pursued.10
    Clearly, there can be well-mannered, non-aggressive pit bull terriers or pit bull
    terrier mixes that never attack or bite another animal or person during the dog’s lifetime.
    Unfortunately, that simply is not the circumstance in the case at bar, as graphically reflected
    in the pictures of the injuries inflicted by Tinkerbell on this little eight-year-old boy.11 If a
    picture is worth a thousand words, then it is certainly unsurprising that the majority uses a
    thousand words to try to overcome those disturbing pictures. Perhaps the humane officer
    said it best during the evidentiary hearing when he explained that a dog would be considered
    “human-aggressive” after one incident, posing the obvious question: “[C]an you take a
    chance with another child . . . with the dog?” The majority took another chance with the dog
    in Robinson, and we see how that ended. My sincere hope is that the majority’s decision
    regarding Tinkerbell does not lead to the death of a young child swinging on the swing sets
    9
    See http://m.bdtonline.com/news/pit-bull-once-spared-by-high-court-euthanized/
    article_6a26d9dc-f073-11e4-9187-7fe3b99cdd7e.html?mode=jqm (last visited May 22,
    2015).
    10
    See note 9.
    11
    These pictures were admitted into evidence below and are contained in the appendix
    record.
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    at a local park who, through no fault of her own, gets mauled and mutilated by this dog that
    the lower court determined to be vicious and dangerous.
    For these reasons, I respectfully concur in the majority’s holding that a
    magistrate or circuit court need not determine that a crime has been committed under West
    Virginia Code § 19-20-20 to proceed at its discretion to order the destruction of a dog under
    that statute. I dissent from the majority’s decision to reverse the circuit court’s July 7, 2014,
    order, which I believe is both legally and factually sound.
    I am authorized to state that Chief Justice Workman joins in this separate
    opinion.
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