United States v. Carlo Payne

In the
United States Court of Appeals
For the Seventh Circuit
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Nos. 21-1521, 21-2618, & 21-2689
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff-Appellee,
v.
ERIC BARD, CARLO PAYNE,
and ANTONIO MCCLURE,
Defendants-Appellants.
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Appeals from the United States District Court for the
Southern District of Indiana, Indianapolis Division.
No. 1:19-cr-00029-JRS-DML — James R. Sweeney II, Judge.
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ARGUED NOVEMBER 28, 2022 — DECIDED JULY 10, 2023
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Before ROVNER, ST. EVE, and KIRSCH, Circuit Judges.
KIRSCH, Circuit Judge. In early 2018, law enforcement be-
gan investigating an Indianapolis drug trafficking organiza-
tion led by Jshaun Trice. The investigation led to the indict-
ments of Trice and over twenty of his associates for crimes
including drug conspiracy, possession, and distribution. An-
tonio McClure and Carlo Payne, two of Trice’s associates,
were arrested following a drug surveillance operation on
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October 21, 2018. Law enforcement intercepted a phone call
between McClure and Trice during which they spoke in
coded language suggestive of a drug deal. Officers later ob-
served McClure and Payne meet with Trice and pursued
Payne in a high-speed chase during which he threw a sock
containing 214.2 grams of methamphetamine out of his car
window. Payne and McClure later discussed these events in
detail on a recorded jail call. Both were charged as part of the
drug conspiracy and with purchasing 50 grams or more of
methamphetamine from Trice for the purpose of distribution,
in violation of 21 U.S.C. §§ 846, 841(a)(1), 841(b)(1)(A)(viii).
The government eventually dropped the conspiracy charge as
to McClure and Payne. Both defendants went to trial on the
remaining count and were convicted of possession of meth-
amphetamine with intent to distribute.
McClure and Payne raise three categories of arguments on
appeal. First, they argue that the government impermissibly
struck a Black potential juror in violation of Batson v. Kentucky,
476 U.S. 79 (1986). They argue that the government’s explana-
tion for striking this juror—that he had a brother with a drug
dealing conviction—was pretext because some white jurors
who were not stricken also had relatives who had been in-
volved with drugs. Second, they argue that the district court
erred in permitting Detective Jason Hart to offer both expert
and lay opinions at trial, and that the court failed to ade-
quately instruct the jury as to his dual-role testimony accord-
ing to the guidelines set forth in United States v. Jett, 908 F.3d
252 (7th Cir. 2018). Third, they contend that the evidence sup-
porting their convictions was legally insufficient. We take
each argument in turn, filling in the facts as we go. Finding no
error, we affirm their convictions.
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This appeal also involves a third Trice associate, Eric Bard,
who pleaded guilty to distribution of 50 grams or more of
methamphetamine. See 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1), (b)(1)(A)(viii).
The district judge sentenced him to 262 months, the very bot-
tom of his Sentencing Guidelines range. Bard argues on ap-
peal that his sentence is substantively unreasonable. We disa-
gree, and thus affirm his sentence too.
I
A
We begin with McClure and Payne’s Batson argument. We
defer to a district court’s Batson findings and review those
findings only for clear error. United States v. Jones, 56 F.4th 455,
477 (7th Cir. 2022). “Unless we arrive at a definite and firm
conviction that a mistake has been made,” we will affirm. Id.(cleaned up). As opponents of the strike, McClure and Payne
bear the burden of proving the existence of purposeful dis-
crimination. Johnson v. California, 545 U.S. 162, 170–71 (2005).
Prosecutors are prohibited from “discriminat[ing] on the
basis of race when exercising peremptory challenges against
prospective jurors in a criminal trial.” Flowers v. Mississippi,
139 S. Ct. 2228, 2234 (2019). Courts use a three-step framework
to determine whether a Batson violation has occurred. First,
the defendant “must make a prima facie case that the peremp-
tory strike was racially motivated.” Jones, 56 F.4th at 477. Sec-
ond, if such a showing is made, the prosecution “must then
provide a non-discriminatory explanation for its decision to
strike the juror.” Id. At the final step, the district court deter-
mines “whether the defendant has carried the burden of
showing purposeful discrimination—that is, that the govern-
ment’s race-neutral justification is not credible.” United States
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v. Howard, 67 F.4th 876, 879 (7th Cir. 2023). In doing so, the
district judge considers all the relevant circumstances, includ-
ing the prosecutor’s demeanor, to determine “the honesty—
not the accuracy—of a proffered race-neutral explanation.”
Jones, 56 F.4th at 477; see also United States v. Lovies, 16 F.4th
493, 500 (7th Cir. 2021). If a prosecutor’s proffered reason for
striking a Black juror applies equally to an otherwise-similar
non-Black juror who was not stricken, “that is evidence tend-
ing to prove purposeful discrimination[.]” United States v.
Taylor, 636 F.3d 901, 905 (7th Cir. 2011). While “implausible or
fantastic justifications may (and probably will) be found to be
pretexts for purposeful discrimination[,]” Purkett v. Elem, 514
U.S. 765, 768 (1995), we acknowledge that from a district
judge’s “firsthand vantage point,” he or she is “in the best po-
sition to make the determination [of whether] the prosecutors
were sincere.” Lovies, 16 F.4th at 502.
At the beginning of jury selection, the court separated 48
potential jurors into two waves for voir dire. The judge con-
ducted the questioning and asked the following questions of
each wave: (1) Have you, any member of your family, or a
close friend ever been involved in the criminal justice system
whether as a defendant, witness, or victim?; and (2) Have you
had any experience involving yourself, any member of your
family, or any close friend that relates to the use or possession
of illegal drugs or narcotics?
The government used five of its six peremptory challenges
during the first wave. During the second wave, the govern-
ment used its last peremptory challenge on Juror 39, a Black
man. McClure and Payne raised a Batson objection, arguing
that Juror 39 was impermissibly stricken because of his race.
Although the court expressed doubts as to whether the
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defendants had made a prima facie case, it proceeded to rule
on the remaining Batson steps, making step one moot. See id.
at 503 (“Once a prosecutor has offered a race-neutral explana-
tion for the peremptory challenges and the trial court has
ruled on the ultimate question of intentional discrimination,
the preliminary issue of whether the defendant had made a
prima facie showing becomes moot.”)
At the second step, the government provided a permissi-
ble race-neutral justification for the strike: Juror 39 answered
that his brother had been convicted of drug dealing. See
United States v. Lampkins, 47 F.3d 175, 178 (7th Cir. 1995) (“[A]
prosecutor may permissibly strike a prospective juror on the
grounds that close relatives or friends have been convicted of
the very crime at issue.”). McClure and Payne argued that this
reason for striking Juror 39 was pretext because white pro-
spective jurors also answered that their family members had
been involved with drugs, yet were not stricken. The govern-
ment acknowledged that Juror 34 answered that her sister had
been incarcerated for writing bad checks and “something to
do with drugs,” but that she did not know specifics. The de-
fendants also identified Juror 51, who answered that her
brother-in-law had been convicted on a charge relating to
shipping marijuana from Africa when he was in the Peace
Corps in the 1970s, and Juror 62, who answered that her sister
had pleaded guilty to methamphetamine possession. The
government argued that those jurors were different because
only Juror 39 specifically said that he had a brother convicted
of drug dealing.
At the third step, the district court evaluated the credibil-
ity of the government’s justification by assessing the prosecu-
tor’s demeanor and the reasonableness of his explanation. To
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the government, the specificity of Juror 39’s answer—that his
brother had been convicted of drug dealing, rather than just
any general drug charge—differentiated him from Jurors 34,
51, and 62. The court agreed that this was “an appreciable dif-
ference,” found the prosecutor’s demeanor to be credible, and
overruled the Batson challenge. Ultimately, the jury consisted
of twelve white jurors, one white alternate, and one Black al-
ternate.
On appeal, McClure and Payne argue that if the govern-
ment were not motivated by race, it would have also moved
to strike white jurors who had relatives convicted of drug
charges. In the district court, McClure and Payne compared
Juror 39 to Jurors 51 and 62, while the government acknowl-
edged the similarities between Juror 39 and Juror 34. On ap-
peal, McClure and Payne compare Juror 39 to Jurors 34 and
13 while failing to mention Jurors 51 and 62 at all in their
opening brief.
We begin our analysis with Juror 34, who responded that
her sister had been incarcerated for “writing bad checks and
something to do with drugs.” She then apologized, saying
“Sorry. I’m not too clear on it.” The court asked whether she
knew anything more, and Juror 34 responded that she did not.
Later, when the court asked whether anyone had a circum-
stance that would make jury service especially difficult, Juror
34 expressed concerns. She explained that she was an ac-
countant, it was busy season, and she had a long commute to
the courthouse. Defense counsel later moved to strike multi-
ple jurors for cause, including Juror 34. Payne’s counsel ar-
gued that Juror 34 could not be fully attentive throughout trial
and should be excused. The government opposed the strike,
and the court denied it. Neither defense counsel nor the
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government used a peremptory strike on Juror 34, so she was
seated.
McClure and Payne’s arguments related to Juror 34 are
twofold. First, they argue that if the government was genuine
about not wanting jurors who had a relative convicted of drug
dealing, it would have used one of its peremptory strikes on
Juror 34. Second, they argue that at the very least, if the gov-
ernment were sincere, it would not have opposed their mo-
tion to strike Juror 34 for cause. We consider each argument,
keeping in mind our deferential standard of review.
The defendants ask us to engage in a side-by-side compar-
ison of Jurors 39 and 34. When offering its race-neutral reason
for striking Juror 39, the government explained that it viewed
his answer—about his brother’s involvement with drugs—
differently from Juror 34’s answer. While Juror 39 knew his
brother had a conviction for drug dealing, Juror 34 did not
know any details of her sister’s conviction. All Juror 34 knew
was that her sister was convicted of “something to do with
drugs.” While in theory her sister could have been convicted
of drug dealing like Juror 39’s brother, Juror 34 expressly
stated that she was unclear on the specifics and neither the
government, the defense, nor the judge pressed her any fur-
ther. On this record, we cannot say that the judge clearly erred
in concluding that the government drew a credible race-neu-
tral distinction between Jurors 34 and 39, and further, that the
government honestly struck the latter because his brother was
convicted of drug dealing. And nothing about the govern-
ment’s earlier opposition to defendants’ for-cause challenge
to Juror 34 suggests any discriminatory motive.
We now consider Juror 13. The government suggests that
McClure and Payne waived their argument regarding Juror
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13 because they never raised this comparison as part of their
Batson challenge below. See United States v. Brown, 809 F.3d
371, 374 (7th Cir. 2016) (“It is the defendant’s burden to raise
specific arguments that the government’s justification was
pretextual so that the court can properly address them.”).
Nevertheless, the Supreme Court has suggested that “a retro-
spective comparison of jurors based on a cold appellate rec-
ord” is permissible in at least some circumstances. Snyder v.
Louisiana, 552 U.S. 472, 483 (2008). And because we conclude
that the substance of McClure and Payne’s comparison argu-
ment lacks merit as to Juror 13, we need not decide the waiver
issue. See Brown, 809 F.3d at 374 n.1 (declining to address the
government’s forfeiture argument when the defendant’s com-
parison argument lacked merit).
Juror 13 answered that her son had been convicted of a
drug charge. She also expressed that although she “had issues
with the judge” in his case, she believed her son received a
fair trial. McClure and Payne argue that if the government
had truly wanted to strike jurors with relatives convicted of
drug dealing, it would have moved to strike Juror 13 or at the
very least, would have requested that the court ask follow-up
questions about her son’s conviction and her competency to
remain unbiased. But Juror 13, like Juror 34, did not specify
what type of drug charge her son was convicted of. There was
no mention of drug dealing. The comparative net that McClure
and Payne ask us to cast is simply too broad. See Jamerson v.
Runnels, 713 F.3d 1218, 1230 (9th Cir. 2013) (rejecting as too
broad a Batson comparison based on the fact that accepted ju-
rors also had relatives or knew people associated with a
crime). This reasoning applies equally to Juror 62, whom
McClure and Payne originally compared to Juror 39 below.
Her answer did not indicate that her sister had been convicted
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of drug dealing, but only that she pled guilty to a crime in-
volving methamphetamine.
In their reply brief, McClure and Payne also make a half-
hearted comparison of Juror 39 to Juror 51, who answered
that her future brother-in-law (before she met him) had been
convicted on a charge relating to shipping marijuana from Af-
rica while serving in the Peace Corps in the 1970s. The defend-
ants waived this argument by failing to even mention Juror
51 in their opening brief. See United States v. Webster, 775 F.3d
897, 904 (7th Cir. 2015) (noting that arguments not raised in a
party’s opening brief are waived). So, we do not consider it
further.
Lastly, McClure and Payne raise a broader argument
about how the government should have asked follow-up
questions to the jurors who responded that they had relatives
with drug charges. Because it was the judge who conducted
the voir dire, not the parties, we understand their argument
to be that the prosecutor should have requested follow-up
questioning to determine the nature of those charges. The
government’s failure to ask the court to inquire further about
potential jurors’ responses that supposedly motivated a per-
emptory strike can be evidence of pretext. Harris v. Hardy, 680
F.3d 942, 962 (7th Cir. 2012) (citing Miller-El v. Dretke, 545 U.S.
231, 246 (2005) (“The prosecution’s reason [for striking a ju-
ror] … is not creditable in light of its failure to enquire about
the matter.”)). But in this case, we cannot say that the judge
clearly erred by failing to read into the absence of such a re-
quest. Jury selection moved quickly and neither party asked
the court to conduct additional questioning. Nothing about
the government’s silence in this situation suggests it had a dis-
criminatory motive. See Brown, 809 F.3d at 375 (“The jury
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selection process moved quickly and neither counsel asked
any questions. Thus, it appears likely that the government did
not want to interrupt the flow of the proceeding, not that it
was trying to deceive the court.”). And while follow-ups may
have clarified some jurors’ answers, it would have been futile
with others. For example, Juror 34 expressed that she had no
further knowledge of the nature of her sister’s conviction. In
her situation, further questioning would have been entirely
unhelpful. See id. (concluding that since a potential juror’s an-
swer was “clear enough on its face,” it was “unlikely that fur-
ther questions would have changed the government’s impres-
sion”).
The focus of the pretext inquiry is on what the government
actually knew at the time it struck the juror, and what it knew
here was that Juror 39’s brother had a drug dealing convic-
tion. To the district court, this sufficiently differentiated Juror
39’s answer from those of other jurors, and the court adjudged
the prosecutor’s demeanor to be sincere and genuine after
considering the totality of the circumstances. We accord the
court’s credibility determination great deference, and because
the government’s reason for striking Juror 39—that his
brother was convicted of drug dealing—was not “completely
outlandish,” we have no basis to reverse. United States v. Jones,
224 F.3d 621, 625 (7th Cir. 2000).
B
The government’s primary trial witness was Detective Ja-
son Hart, who has more than twenty years of experience as a
law enforcement officer in the Indianapolis area. In 2017, De-
tective Hart received a tip about the 700 block of Arnolda Av-
enue: drug dealing, robberies, violence, and intimidation
were unfolding under the watch of Trice and his associates.
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Detective Hart, who at the time was an ATF task force officer,
took the information to the FBI, thus beginning the joint in-
vestigation that ultimately led to the federal prosecution of
McClure and Payne. On appeal, McClure and Payne object to
Detective Hart’s trial testimony on multiple fronts. We sum-
marize Detective Hart’s testimony, and then address their ob-
jections.
1
The government disclosed Detective Hart as both a fact
and expert witness and called him to testify twice. On the first
day of trial, Detective Hart initially testified as a fact witness
and told the jury about how the investigation into the 700
block of Arnolda Avenue unfolded. The court then admitted
him as an expert in drug trafficking, briefly explaining to the
jury that he was being designated an expert based on his ed-
ucation, training, experience, or knowledge. Detective Hart
then explained how drug deals are usually made, including
how dealers use lookouts for security and are disinclined to
deal with strangers. Next, the government notified the court
that it intended to “ask questions of Detective Hart as a fact
witness and no longer as an expert witness.” The judge re-
sponded “All right. Thank you.” Detective Hart went on to
describe the events of October 21, 2018, from his own personal
observations. He told the jury that at 12:51 pm, Trice called
McClure. The call was recorded, and the recording was
played for the jury:
MCCLURE: Hello?
TRICE: How you what nasty?
MCCLURE: What’s happening?
TRICE: Chillin.
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MCCLURE: Shit, I ain’t doin shit. Bout to come
down that way in a minute. I’m about to take
my girl to the library. Shit, what’s the, uhh,
what’s the ticket?
TRICE: Two.
MCCLURE: Two?
TRICE: Yep.
MCCLURE: Alright. Uhh, I’m on my way from
the crib. I’ll be down there in about like thirty
minutes.
TRICE: Alright, just hit me up.
MCCLURE: Alright.
TRICE: Alright.
After the recording was played, Detective Hart explained that
the phrase “what’s the ticket” was commonly used by Trice
and his associates to refer to the price of drugs. Detective Hart
explained that he believed there was about to be a drug trans-
action for $2,000 and got a team in place to surveil the area.
Detective Hart narrated, based on his own observations,
as surveillance footage from a telephone pole camera played
for the jury: Trice drove his red Jeep to the 700 block of Ar-
nolda Avenue. McClure and Payne arrived together in a silver
Dodge and briefly met with Trice. Trice then drove to his
apartment where he was suspected of storing large quantities
of meth, briefly went inside, and drove back to the 700 block
of Arnolda Avenue. McClure entered the passenger seat of
the red Jeep to speak with Trice. A moment later, McClure
exited the Jeep and returned to the passenger seat of the silver
Dodge with Payne. McClure and Payne drove away.
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Surveillance footage ended there, but law enforcement fol-
lowed them.
From his own memory, Detective Hart testified that Payne
next dropped off McClure at a different vehicle. With limited
resources, the officers let McClure elude them in favor of con-
tinuing to follow Payne. Detective Hart explained that sur-
veilling officers believed—based on their prior observa-
tions—that McClure had brokered a deal for Payne and that
Payne would be the one with drugs in his vehicle. Detective
Hart instructed law enforcement to initiate a traffic stop on
the Dodge that Payne was driving. Rather than stop, Payne
led the officers on a high-speed chase.
Other government witnesses detailed what happened
next. Trooper Ryan Kenworthy pursued Payne. He testified
that, during the chase, he saw a white object fly out of the
driver’s side window of the Dodge. Other officers located the
white object—a sock containing 214.2 grams of methamphet-
amine. The chase ended when Payne collided with a median,
allowing officers to apprehend him.
On the second (and last) day of trial, Detective Hart was
called to testify again. The government once again moved to
offer him as an expert in drug trafficking. After no objection,
the court admitted him and gave the following instruction to
the jury:
THE COURT: Ladies and gentlemen, remember
that from time to time, based on a witness’s ex-
perience or knowledge or specialized training,
that we allow them to give opinions on certain
matters that they may not have specifically seen
but, again, is based on this experience, expertise,
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and knowledge, training; and we allow them to
give opinions on that. As you will be instructed
and have been instructed, you’re entitled to give
that whatever weight that you believe it de-
serves; but they are allowed to make their opin-
ions, and I’m going to designate Agent Hart as
requested in this case. Go ahead.
After asking just four brief questions eliciting testimony
about how much methamphetamine a user would typically
purchase at a time, the government signaled that it no longer
sought to offer expert testimony and would return to offering
testimony based on Detective Hart’s personal observations.
The judge clarified, “All right. So no more expert testimony at
this time,” to which the government responded “Thank you,
Your Honor.”
The government then introduced and played for the jury
a jail call between Payne and McClure from the day after
Payne’s arrest. The government occasionally paused the re-
cording to question Detective Hart about what he understood
certain terms to mean based on his knowledge acquired from
the investigation. For example, when McClure asked Payne
whether law enforcement took both of Payne’s “hitters,” De-
tective Hart explained that this was slang for phones. Payne
expressed paranoia that he had been set up and asked
McClure whether “the [guy] that washed the truck for me …
Is he one hundred?” Detective Hart explained that Payne was
asking whether Trice was a turncoat. McClure responded
with “you don’t’ [sic] know him from a can of paint,” which
Detective Hart interpreted as McClure explaining that since
Trice didn’t know Payne, there’s no way Trice could have set
Payne up like that. Payne later told McClure that if he wanted
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to “take [his] seat” while he was in jail, he would “put
[McClure] all the way in.” Detective Hart explained that he
understood Payne to be offering to put McClure in touch with
his customers to keep up the business while Payne was in jail.
2
McClure and Payne raise three issues with respect to De-
tective Hart’s testimony. They argue: (1) the district court
failed to follow the dual-testimony procedures established by
this court in United States v. Jett, 908 F.3d 252, 267 (7th Cir.
2018); (2) Detective Hart’s interpretations of the conversations
in the two phone calls were inadmissible; and (3) Detective
Hart impermissibly opined on the defendants’ guilt. We ad-
dress each argument in turn.
i
We start with Detective Hart’s dual-role testimony and the
defendants’ assertion that the court failed to follow the guid-
ance we set forth in Jett. Neither McClure’s nor Payne’s de-
fense counsel objected at trial, so our review is only for plain
error. Molina-Martinez v. United States, 578 U.S. 189, 194 (2016).
This standard requires the defendants to show: (1) an error;
(2) that is plain; (3) that affected their substantial rights; (4)
and that “seriously affects the fairness, integrity[,] or public
reputation of judicial proceedings.” Id.It is routine for a law enforcement officer to act as a dual-
role witness, offering both lay and expert testimony. United
States v. Parkhurst, 865 F.3d 509, 518 (7th Cir. 2017). But we
have recognized that there are “inherent dangers” with this
practice. Jett, 908 F.3d at 267. For example, jurors may “un-
duly credit the opinion testimony due to a perception that the
expert was privy to facts about the defendant not presented
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at trial” or be unduly influenced “by an expert’s aura of spe-
cial reliability.” Id. (cleaned up). In Jett, we held that district
courts must take certain precautions to avoid admitting con-
fusing dual-role testimony. Id. at 268. The goal is to help juries
understand whether to evaluate the testimony based on the
witness’s personal knowledge (under Federal Rule of Evi-
dence 701) or based on the witness’s qualifications, training,
and methods (under Federal Rule of Evidence 702). Id. We ad-
vised the district judge to first “encourage the government to
present the expert and lay testimony separately.” Id. at 269.
“[W]hen the expert portion of the case agent’s testimony be-
gins, the district judge should allow the government to lay its
foundation and establish the agent’s qualifications.” Id. Next,
the judge “should instruct the jury that the testimony it is
about to hear is the witness’s opinion based on training and
experience, not firsthand knowledge, and that it is for the jury
to determine how much weight, if any, to give that opinion.”
Id. at 269–70. And at the end of the trial, the judge should give
an adequate jury instruction that reinforces the jury’s duty to
weigh fact and expert testimony separately, under their ap-
plicable standards. Id. at 270.
Defendants argue that the district court did not follow the
guidance we provided in Jett perfectly at trial, but that is not
the test for reversal. The court mostly adhered to Jett’s princi-
ples and crucially, the different types of testimony were pre-
sented separately. The government properly segmented De-
tective Hart’s expert testimony into two discrete portions of
his direct examinations. The government also laid the appro-
priate foundation for his qualifications. Both times he testified
as an expert, the court adequately delineated the expert testi-
mony by instructing the jury that Detective Hart was about to
testify as an expert and by signaling when that portion of the
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examination had concluded. The court also explained that
when a witness gives an expert opinion, it is based on his ex-
pertise, knowledge, and training rather than personal obser-
vation. We recognize that the court could have more clearly
articulated to the jury that Detective Hart’s expert opinions
were to be weighed separately from his fact testimony, and
that the members of the jury were entitled to give those opin-
ions however much weight they believed appropriate. But
this shortcoming did not amount to plain error. And at the
end of trial, the court gave a final jury instruction that all par-
ties jointly submitted, agreed to, and do not challenge on ap-
peal.
Even if there were errors under Jett that were plain (there
weren’t), they did not affect the defendants’ substantial rights
or “seriously affect[] the fairness, integrity[,] or public repu-
tation of judicial proceedings.” Molina-Martinez, 578 U.S. at
194. Detective Hart’s testimony was corroborated by video
surveillance, phone recordings, and physical evidence. As
will be discussed below, the evidence of the defendants’ guilt
was convincing, making any error harmless. See United States
v. Cosby, 924 F.3d 329, 337 (7th Cir. 2019) (rejecting a plain er-
ror challenge under Jett). Accordingly, reversal based on the
court’s instructions regarding Detective Hart’s dual-role tes-
timony is not warranted.
ii
McClure and Payne also object to Detective Hart’s testi-
mony interpreting their phone calls. Because they preserved
this argument by objecting at trial, we review for abuse of dis-
cretion. United States v. Hilliard, 851 F.3d 768, 779 (7th Cir.
2017). As Detective Hart’s testimony was offered as a lay (or
firsthand) witness, our analysis is guided by Federal Rule of
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Evidence 701. Under Rule 701, a lay opinion “is limited to one
that is: (a) rationally based on the witness’s perception;
(b) helpful to clearly understanding the witness’s testimony
or to determining a fact in issue; and (c) not based on scien-
tific, technical, or other specialized knowledge within the
scope of Rule 702.” Id. at 779–80. A law enforcement officer’s
lay opinion is limited to his “observations or other facts de-
rived exclusively from a particular investigation.” United
States v. Malagon, 964 F.3d 657, 662 (7th Cir. 2020).
McClure and Payne argue that there was insufficient foun-
dation for Detective Hart to interpret McClure and Payne’s
conversations because he was unfamiliar with either of them
until October 21. They suggest that to offer a lay opinion in-
terpreting these phone calls, Detective Hart must have previ-
ously investigated McClure and Payne individually, and that
his knowledge acquired from the broader investigation is in-
sufficient.
But this is not what Rule 701 requires. Even though Detec-
tive Hart had not specifically investigated McClure or Payne,
his foundational knowledge still derived from the “particular
investigation” into Trice’s drug operation. Id.; see also United
States v. Rollins, 544 F.3d 820, 831–32 (7th Cir. 2008) (holding
that the district court did not err in admitting an agent’s testi-
mony interpreting drug code when the agent had extensive
personal knowledge of the organization’s habits and how it
operated). Detective Hart had been investigating Trice and
his associates for months. He became intimately familiar with
how the organization operated. He had listened to many in-
tercepted phone calls and learned the lingo commonly used
when discussing drug transactions. For example, he testified
that he had overheard the use of the term “ticket” about 40
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times while monitoring phone calls throughout the investiga-
tion. The district court committed no error in allowing Detec-
tive Hart to draw from his extensive experience with the
broader investigation into Trice’s drug trafficking organiza-
tion when interpreting the words and behavior of its individ-
ual members.
We make one final observation about the testimony re-
garding Payne and McClure’s jail call. We have previously
warned that officers should not interpret terms with which
they are no more familiar than others. Jett, 908 F.3d at 266(“We caution, however, against conflating commonly used
slang or vernacular with the code words of a criminal mi-
lieu.”). We can hardly say that phrases such as “tickets,” “hit-
ters,” “jump-out boys,” or “memory card” would have other-
wise been understood by the jury. Detective Hart’s interpre-
tation of this coded language was thus proper. But some of
his testimony interpreting ordinary slang such as “you don’t
know him from a can of paint” and “I knew what it was”
veered close to crossing the line into improper narration. Any
such error in permitting this testimony was harmless, how-
ever, due to the strength of the government’s case. Accord-
ingly, Detective Hart’s testimony interpreting the phone calls
is not a basis for reversal.
iii
McClure and Payne’s final evidentiary argument is that
the district court improperly allowed Detective Hart to opine
on their guilt by describing their meeting as a drug
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transaction. They preserved this argument as well, so we re-
view for abuse of discretion. Hilliard, 851 F.3d at 779.
The relevant testimony came during McClure’s counsel’s
cross-examination of Detective Hart, where she tried to cast
doubt on his perception of the events of October 21:
Q: Sir, you testified that you were not physically
present on Arnolda Avenue to witness a drug
purchase, correct?
A: That is not -- I said I was not physically on
Arnolda Avenue. I witnessed the transaction
via the video.
DEFENSE COUNSEL: Judge, I would ask that
that answer be stricken. It’s not answering the
question.
THE COURT: I think it did. It’s overruled.
Q: So since you were not physically present on
Arnolda Avenue on October 21st, 2018, you can-
not tell these ladies and gentlemen that you ac-
tually physically witnessed that in person, cor-
rect?
A: That’s inaccurate. I think they witnessed it
now. They watched the video.
Q: I’m sorry. Did you say the jurors witnessed
it?
A: Ma’am, I’m confused. We all just watched the
video of the narcotics transaction take place.
That’s what 38 minutes of video was about. I’m
confused by the question.
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It was defense counsel who was the first to describe what
the jury saw as a drug transaction. Detective Hart accepted
counsel’s framing to clarify a less than clear line of question-
ing. There was no error in permitting Detective Hart’s testi-
mony, and even if there were, such an error would have been
invited by defense counsel’s own questioning. This was
hardly an example of a witness impermissibly giving an opin-
ion “that would merely tell the jury what result to reach.”
United States v. Brown, 871 F.3d 532, 539 (7th Cir. 2017)
(cleaned up). Accordingly, the district court did not abuse its
discretion in admitting this testimony.
C
Finally, McClure and Payne argue that there was insuffi-
cient evidence for the jury to convict them. They preserved
this argument below by moving for a judgment of acquittal.
We view the evidence in the light most favorable to the gov-
ernment and ask “whether any rational trier of fact could
have found the essential elements of the charged offense be-
yond a reasonable doubt.” United States v. Garcia, 919 F.3d 489,
496 (7th Cir. 2019). We will “overturn the jury’s verdict only
when the record contains no evidence, regardless of how it is
weighed, from which the factfinder could find guilt beyond a
reasonable doubt.” United States v. Faulkner, 885 F.3d 488, 492
(7th Cir. 2018) (cleaned up). For a jury to convict McClure and
Payne of possession with intent to distribute, the government
needed to prove that they (1) knowingly or intentionally pos-
sessed methamphetamine (2) with intent to distribute it
(3) while knowing it was a controlled substance. See United
States v. Irby, 558 F.3d 651, 654 (7th Cir. 2009).
Despite McClure and Payne’s contentions, the govern-
ment presented more than sufficient evidence to support their
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convictions. First, the jury heard a recording of McClure
speaking with Trice shortly before they met on Arnolda Ave-
nue on October 21. Detective Hart spent months learning how
Trice’s organization operated. The jury was entitled to give
weight to his testimony that their language—specifically, the
use of the phrase “what’s the ticket” and the response
“two”—suggested that a drug transaction for $2,000 was im-
minent. Second, the jury watched video surveillance from Oc-
tober 21 corroborating Detective Hart’s interpretation. Foot-
age showed Trice coming and going from his apartment be-
tween meetings on Arnolda Avenue, as law enforcement had
observed during earlier drug deals. The jury watched video
of McClure exit Payne’s car, briefly enter Trice’s car, and then
return to Payne’s car. The jury also heard that this pattern of
movement resembled other drug deals Trice had carried out.
Third, multiple government witnesses testified that after
dropping off McClure, Payne fled from police and threw a
white object out of the driver’s side window. This object
turned out to be a sock containing 214.2 grams of metham-
phetamine, and the jury heard evidence that this was roughly
40 times the amount consistent with personal use. Finally, the
jury heard a recording of McClure and Payne’s jail phone call
discussing the previous day’s events in language consistent
with drug dealing.
McClure and Payne cite cases in which we found the evi-
dence insufficient to support drug convictions. See Garcia, 919
F.3d at 504; Jones, 713 F.3d at 352. But the facts of those cases
are far different from this case. Here, the evidence of
McClure’s and Payne’s guilt was not just sufficient but over-
whelming. A rational juror could certainly conclude that
McClure brokered a deal with Trice for the purchase of meth-
amphetamine on Payne’s behalf, and when Payne realized
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law enforcement was following him, he threw the metham-
phetamine out of his car.
II
We next turn to Eric Bard’s sentencing challenge. Bard
pleaded guilty to knowingly distributing 50 grams or more of
methamphetamine. See 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1), (b)(1)(A)(viii).
The district court calculated a Guidelines range of 262 to 327
months, which Bard admits is correct. The district judge sen-
tenced him to 262 months, a sentence Bard now calls unrea-
sonable. Some of Bard’s arguments sound more like proce-
dural rather than substantive challenges. Bard frames them all
as substantive, however, and the government accepted this
framing. We do as well, noting that we would affirm whether
these challenges are procedural or substantive.
When a defendant disputes the substantive reasonable-
ness of a sentence, we review for abuse of discretion. United
States v. Walsh, 47 F.4th 491, 496 (7th Cir. 2022) (citing Gall v.
United States, 552 U.S. 38, 51 (2007)). “[W]e do not substitute
our judgment for that of a district judge, who is better situated
to make individualized sentencing decisions.” United States v.
Daoud, 980 F.3d 581, 591 (7th Cir. 2020). A reasonable conclu-
sion “that a different sentence was appropriate is insufficient
to justify reversal[.]” Gall, 552 U.S. at 51. We will reverse only
if the “sentence falls outside the broad range of objectively
reasonable sentences in the circumstances.” Daoud, 980 F.3d
at 591 (cleaned up). A within-guidelines sentence is presump-
tively reasonable. United States v. Miller, 834 F.3d 737, 744 (7th
Cir. 2016). Here, not only did Bard’s sentence fall within the
Guidelines range, but it was at the absolute bottom of that
range. Accordingly, he faces an uphill battle.
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Bard contends that his Guidelines range was far greater
than necessary to comply with the goals of 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a)
and that the district judge’s justification was inadequate. He
argues that his minor past violations overstated his criminal
history and had a distorting effect on his Guidelines range,
which resulted in a sentence that is unfairly disproportionate
to co-defendants who played a much bigger role in the drug
operation. Bard also believes the district judge misconstrued
his criminal history argument as one questioning the policy
and concept of the career offender enhancement in general,
rather than one asking the court to consider that since he
barely qualified for the enhancement, it should not drive his
ultimate sentence. Finally, he argues that due to his age and
health conditions, he received nearly a life sentence. None of
these arguments justifies reversal.
First, Bard’s criminal history was not overstated. Bard
qualified as a career offender because of two prior felony con-
victions for controlled substance offenses. He also has a his-
tory of resisting arrest, domestic battery, and probation viola-
tions. It is true that were it not for the career offender enhance-
ment, his Guidelines range would have been cut in half—
down to 130 to 162 months. But that is not the case here. The
judge observed that Bard had received “multiple breaks” in
the past and characterized his record as a “history of not get-
ting the message[.]” Without the enhancement, he believed
Bard’s “criminal history would [have] be[en] understated[.]”
Second, Bard highlights the seeming disparity between his
sentence and those of his co-defendants who were more cul-
pable. For instance, Trice, the drug organization’s leader, only
received 210 months, while Bard received 262 months for a
single $1,200 transaction. But “only unwarranted disparities
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are impermissible in sentencing.” United States v. Pape, 601
F.3d 743, 750 (7th Cir. 2010). Disparate sentences can certainly
be warranted even when a less culpable co-defendant receives
a longer sentence. United States v. Solomon, 892 F.3d 273, 279
(7th Cir. 2018). Here, the district judge acknowledged his re-
sponsibility under § 3553(a)(6) to avoid unwarranted dispari-
ties and did not need to engage in a lengthy comparison of
Bard’s culpability with those of his co-defendants before im-
posing a within-Guidelines sentence. See Pape, 601 F.3d at 750.
The simple fact is that Bard’s criminal history differentiated
him from his co-defendants, which increased his Guidelines
and justified his longer sentence.
Third, the judge clearly understood Bard’s argument to be
about his own personal criminal history, rather than mistak-
ing it for one about policy. The court did not consider it as a
challenge to the career offender enhancement as a whole, but
as applied to him. The court explained that Bard’s past run-
ins with the law “have consequences” and that application of
the enhancement was the appropriate consequence, even if he
only narrowly qualified for it.
Finally, though we by no means suggest that 262 months
is insignificant, we are not persuaded by Bard’s argument that
it is in effect a “nearly life sentence.” But Bard was only 34 at
the time of sentencing and assuming he serves his full 262
months, he will be in his mid-50’s at the time of release. As he
has not presented sufficient evidence suggesting that he will
not live out his sentence, we do not consider this argument
further. See United States v. Wurzinger, 467 F.3d 649, 652 (7th
Cir. 2006); United States v. Patrick, 707 F.3d 815, 820 (7th Cir.
2013).
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At bottom, Bard believes his sentence is just too long. The
district court correctly calculated the Guidelines, considered
all the relevant statutory factors and principal arguments in
mitigation, and explained its reasoning before imposing a bot-
tom-of-the-Guidelines sentence. The district judge explained
that although he believed a sentence in the middle or upper
end of the Guidelines range would be appropriate, he would
“show some leniency” and sentenced Bard to the very bottom
of the Guidelines range. Far from an abuse of discretion, the
district court gave thoughtful consideration to Bard’s argu-
ments. It simply disagreed with them, as do we.
AFFIRMED